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CL82 said:
Uh they are listed in the American's media guide. You might want to take a look at page 98. Even if they weren't does that matter? It's media guide it's not actual agreement of the parties. Do you understand the difference?

We done yet?
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Tyson becomes All-time leading scorer in AAC after road victory at Tulane. Why did your conference give up what according to you they own? You haven't answered that. We are past who bought what, I agreed with you.

Also, only UConn's National Championships are in there along with Cincy's which I already explained to you belong to the school and not the conference. Not a mention of any Big East Championships or a word about conference record holders from UConn. Why? Because the Big East has them, not the American. You are wrong, own it like a man like I did.
 
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FriarJ said:
Tyson becomes All-time leading scorer in AAC after road victory at Tulane. Why did your conference give up what according to you they own? You haven't answered that. We are past who bought what, I agreed with you.

Also, only UConn's National Championships are in there along with Cincy's which I already explained to you belong to the school and not the conference. Not a mention of any Big East Championships or a word about conference record holders from UConn. Why? Because the Big East has them, not the American. You are wrong, own it like a man like I did.
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Wow. I hate remedial work but there has been progress, so let's recap.

You now understand that:

1) In July 2013, the "Catholic 7" left the Big East Conference. (This includes Providence.)

2) The Catholic 7 formed a new conference in July of 2013.

3) The new Catholic 7 conference bought the rights call themselves by name the Big East and right to the remaining term of the Big East's MSG contract. This does not rewrite history and somehow make the new conference the original Big East (for sake of clarity I'll refer to the new conference as the Little East.)

4) The the Little East was formed in 2013 not 1979. It has no claim to anything that happened before it existed.

5) The Little East never "bought the history" of the Big East. That claim never made any sense.

6) Records such as national championships belong to school that earned them, not non-performing schools that through historical accident were a member of the same conference with the championship schools.

7) UConn has won four NCAA men's basketball national championships. None of these belong to Providence College by virtue of their being in the same conference as UConn for some of them.

8) Georgetown has won one NCAA men's basketball national championship. None of these belong to Providence College by virtue of their being in the same conference as Georgetown when it was earned.

9) Villanova won three men's basketball NCAA national championships. None of these belong to Providence College by virtue of their being in the same conference as Villanova when they were earned.

10) Providence has not won a NCAA men's basketball national championship.

Whew, that's a lot of ground we covered.

I'll add one more then I afraid I can't spend more time on this:

11) It is pitiful for non-performing institutions to try claim the accomplishments of other institutions. Even more so to try to do it on their board.

Be well buddy. I'm out.
 
CL82 said:
Wow. I hate remedial work but there has been progress, so let's recap.

You now understand that:

1) In July 2013, the "Catholic 7" left the Big East Conference. (This includes Providence.)

2) The Catholic 7 formed a new conference in July of 2013.

3) The new Catholic 7 conference bought the rights call themselves by name the Big East and right to the remaining term of the Big East's MSG contract. This does not rewrite history and somehow make the new conference the original Big East (for sake of clarity I'll refer to the new conference as the Little East.)

4) The the Little East was formed in 2013 not 1979. It has no claim to anything that happened before it existed.

5) The Little East never "bought the history" of the Big East. That claim never made any sense.

6) Records such as national championships belong to school that earned them, not non-performing schools that through historical accident were a member of the same conference with the championship schools.

7) UConn has won four NCAA men's basketball national championships. None of these belong to Providence College by virtue of their being in the same conference as UConn for some of them.

8) Georgetown has won one NCAA men's basketball national championship. None of these belong to Providence College by virtue of their being in the same conference as Georgetown when it was earned.

9) Villanova won three men's basketball NCAA national championships. None of these belong to Providence College by virtue of their being in the same conference as Villanova when they were earned.

10) Providence has not won a NCAA men's basketball national championship.

Whew, that's a lot of ground we covered.

I'll add one more then I afraid I can't spend more time on this:

11) It is pitiful for non-performing institutions to try claim the accomplishments of other institutions. Even more so to try to do it on their board.

Be well buddy. I'm out.
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That's a lot BS for what we already agree on,

Does the American claim past Big East personal, team and conference tournament records as their own? Answer: No
Does the New Big East maintain all past Big East personal, team, and conference tournament records as their own? Answer: Yes

Thanks for playing. I would say you have been a good sport, but you haven't.
 
FriarJ said:
That's a lot BS for what we already agree on,

Does the American claim past Big East personal, team and conference tournament records as their own? Answer: No
Does the New Big East maintain all past Big East personal, team, and conference tournament records as their own? Answer: Yes

Thanks for playing. I would say you have been a good sport, but you haven't.
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Ah, someone is butt hurt.

I'm sure if you post this on a PC board, you'll find someone who will care about what the New Big East "maintains." Good luck with that!
 
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CL82 said:
It's fine. Really Nova has done well dragging the rest of you along. But "almost selling" out isn't selling out.

Providence is the only NBE team is in the Northeast. The new Big East light doesn't look much like what Dave Gavitt envisioned.
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But here's the thing, the NBE is a pleasant small school with a current basketball power in. Why not enjoy that rather than pretending to be the original Big East? Sounds like you aren't comfortable with your conference. Understandable if you root for a school not named Villanova.
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It's called the Big East. Creighton shouldn't be in a conference based on the east.
 
TJT said:
The only original Big East members now in the ACC are Boston College and Syracuse. While ACC members Pitt, Va Tech, Miami, Notre Dame, and Louisville were at some point in the Big East, they were not part of the original founding members.

The Big East originally had just 7 founding members when conference play started - PC, BC, UConn, SJU, SHU, Syracuse, and Georgetown. Villanova and Pitt did not play in the first year of the Big East as they joined in subsequent seasons after leaving the Eastern-8 (now A-10).


Source:
Big East Conference (1979–2013) - Wikipedia
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Hey TJT,

Thanks for the clarification. I always forget that Pitt (and Villanova) were not founding member of the Big East. I looked it up before... just forgot about it

They did join pretty early prior to the league rise of the ranks in the 80s... but it can be said those were the first expansion members

With that said, the Big East as currently configured has 4/7 of its original 1979 membership
 
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FriarJ said:
That's a lot BS for what we already agree on,


Does the New Big East maintain all past Big East personal, team, and conference tournament records as their own? Answer: Yes
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And outside observers know that it’s BS.
 
Excalibur said:
And outside observers know that it’s BS.
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And that is BS in itself, nobody knows it except diehard idiots like us. Btw, nobody and I mean nobody out here in the West knows what conference UConn is even in. Most would guess Big East I guarantee it. And these would be PAC12 fans I’m referring to.
 
I'm still trying to understand why a PC fan spends so much time on a UConn board
 
GuardU said:
I'm still trying to understand why a PC fan spends so much time on a UConn board
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It's mostly on the cesspool, this is a random sighting on this board due to the content. I stay away from team discussion. Do not go to the cesspool. Do not go to the cesspool. Do not go to the cesspool. Say it with me.
 
GuardU said:
I'm still trying to understand why a PC fan spends so much time on a UConn board
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Friar J is here to keep us in line and remind us what the Old Big East was. Not what it is today. I may not be alive to see it but someday they will regret that move.
 
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uconnell said:
Friar J is here to keep us in line and remind us what the Old Big East was. Not what it is today. I may not be alive to see it but someday they will regret that move.
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You and I both probably. Who knows? Doing nothing was not an option, obviously it's been very successful and has changed the arc of PC and it's campus frankly. It may all go to heck in the end, but staying was not an option.
 
tcf15 said:
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I love how the Plains states are now in the Big "East's" geographic footprint. When they add Gonzaga, I suppose someone might argue, "can't add the University of San Diego, they are not in the footprint."
 
FriarJ said:
And that is BS in itself, nobody knows it except diehard idiots like us. Btw, nobody and I mean nobody out here in the West knows what conference UConn is even in. Most would guess Big East I guarantee it. And these would be PAC12 fans I’m referring to.
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Have to unfortunately agree with you. I live in NC, in ACC/SEC country.
 
I’ve been saying for years now, it is so unreal that UConn isn’t in a P5, that no one even considers it. The number of times people have looked at me lost and then said, “Wait, what conference is UConn in now?”, is in the dozens. It just doesn’t hit them until they have to actually think about it. They presume we are in a big time basketball conference and subconsciously, they just assume major conference. It isn’t until they run through the P5 in their heads that they realize we are missing.
 
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CL82 said:
Nope it was just name and the tourney and $10M of $110M in exit fees.

But Google is your friend right? Find me a single major media article that says the Catholic 7 bought "the history." You get how laughable that is right? History is history it can't be bought. The Little East is just trying to appropriate the original Big East's history and accomplishments, the vast majority of which were earned by institutions who aren't a member of the Little East.
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The Wikipedia entry on the Big East says the Catholic 7 got MSG, the name, and the basketball history and records. The same entry says the AAC got the football records. This USA Today article from the time also states that the Catholic 7 retained the records. What's odd about the ESPN article that you posted is that it says at the beginning that the departing schools retain the league name, and at the end of the article have to choose a new name by July 1st.

New Big East rather reminiscent of old Big East

It may be time to retire the moniker 'Catholic 7.' Not only are those seven schools — plus newly added Butler, Xavier and Creighton — calling themselves the new Big East already, but they're taking the Big East's history with them, too.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."
 
Windsorlocks said:
The Wikipedia entry on the Big East says the Catholic 7 got MSG, the name, and the basketball history and records. The same entry says the AAC got the football records. This USA Today article from the time also states that the Catholic 7 retained the records. What's odd about the ESPN article that you posted is that it says at the beginning that the departing schools retain the league name, and at the end of the article have to choose a new name by July 1st.

New Big East rather reminiscent of old Big East

It may be time to retire the moniker 'Catholic 7.' Not only are those seven schools — plus newly added Butler, Xavier and Creighton — calling themselves the new Big East already, but they're taking the Big East's history with them, too.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."
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"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."

This is first I've seen this or anything like it. Thanks. I stand corrected.

The Catholic 7 was the name widely used in the media for the departing Big East schools at the time. It is a convenient way to characterize them. Agree it wouldn't make sense to use for the current Big East.
 
FriarJ said:
And that is BS in itself, nobody knows it except diehard idiots like us. Btw, nobody and I mean nobody out here in the West knows what conference UConn is even in. Most would guess Big East I guarantee it. And these would be PAC12 fans I’m referring to.
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While this is true, nobody outside of the northeast even knows that Providence is a college.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Am I the only one here who isn't particularly compelled to lay claim to Seton Hall's 1989 league championship?
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Should be a national title as well, worst screw job in the history of sports.
 
RayIsTheGOAT said:
Idk how it would happen, I just want out of the AAC man. I know it will get better with Memphis improving and blah blah blah.
Just give me like 2 games a year against Nova, Xavier, Georgetown, Butler, Marquette, Memphis, Cinci.
I don't want to see another Eastern Carolina University or Tulane University anywhere near Gampel Pavilion in February on a Sunday afternoon on the CBS sports network.
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Preach!
 
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