Big East, MSG to announce extension of Big East Tournament through 2028

[tcf15]

 

[uconnell]

I'm still trying to understand why a PC fan spends so much time on a UConn board

Friar J is here to keep us in line and remind us what the Old Big East was. Not what it is today. I may not be alive to see it but someday they will regret that move.

 

[upstater]

I love how the Plains states are now in the Big "East's" geographic footprint. When they add Gonzaga, I suppose someone might argue, "can't add the University of San Diego, they are not in the footprint."

 

[uconnell]

why Would Gonzaga leave? They’re doing fine where they are.

 

[gampelcrazies]

He's a Fox guy too

 

[NC_Uconn_Fan]

Have to unfortunately agree with you. I live in NC, in ACC/SEC country.

 

[Hoophound]

I’ve been saying for years now, it is so unreal that UConn isn’t in a P5, that no one even considers it. The number of times people have looked at me lost and then said, “Wait, what conference is UConn in now?”, is in the dozens. It just doesn’t hit them until they have to actually think about it. They presume we are in a big time basketball conference and subconsciously, they just assume major conference. It isn’t until they run through the P5 in their heads that they realize we are missing.

 

[Windsorlocks]

Nope it was just name and the tourney and $10M of $110M in exit fees.

But Google is your friend right? Find me a single major media article that says the Catholic 7 bought "the history." You get how laughable that is right? History is history it can't be bought. The Little East is just trying to appropriate the original Big East's history and accomplishments, the vast majority of which were earned by institutions who aren't a member of the Little East.

The Wikipedia entry on the Big East says the Catholic 7 got MSG, the name, and the basketball history and records. The same entry says the AAC got the football records. This USA Today article from the time also states that the Catholic 7 retained the records. What's odd about the ESPN article that you posted is that it says at the beginning that the departing schools retain the league name, and at the end of the article have to choose a new name by July 1st.

New Big East rather reminiscent of old Big East

It may be time to retire the moniker 'Catholic 7.' Not only are those seven schools — plus newly added Butler, Xavier and Creighton — calling themselves the new Big East already, but they're taking the Big East's history with them, too.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Am I the only one here who isn't particularly compelled to lay claim to Seton Hall's 1989 league championship?

 

[CL82]

The Wikipedia entry on the Big East says the Catholic 7 got MSG, the name, and the basketball history and records. The same entry says the AAC got the football records. This USA Today article from the time also states that the Catholic 7 retained the records. What's odd about the ESPN article that you posted is that it says at the beginning that the departing schools retain the league name, and at the end of the article have to choose a new name by July 1st.

New Big East rather reminiscent of old Big East

It may be time to retire the moniker 'Catholic 7.' Not only are those seven schools — plus newly added Butler, Xavier and Creighton — calling themselves the new Big East already, but they're taking the Big East's history with them, too.

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."

This is first I've seen this or anything like it. Thanks. I stand corrected.

The Catholic 7 was the name widely used in the media for the departing Big East schools at the time. It is a convenient way to characterize them. Agree it wouldn't make sense to use for the current Big East.

 

[superjohn]

While this is true, nobody outside of the northeast even knows that Providence is a college.

 

[superjohn]

Am I the only one here who isn't particularly compelled to lay claim to Seton Hall's 1989 league championship?

Should be a national title as well, worst screw job in the history of sports.

 

[olehead]

Idk how it would happen, I just want out of the AAC man. I know it will get better with Memphis improving and blah blah blah.
Just give me like 2 games a year against Nova, Xavier, Georgetown, Butler, Marquette, Memphis, Cinci.
I don't want to see another Eastern Carolina University or Tulane University anywhere near Gampel Pavilion in February on a Sunday afternoon on the CBS sports network.

Preach!

 

[StunningSteve]

I wonder if we may be hearing something on the DePaul and Creighton front, with the NCAA looking deeper into the FBI's data. Mark Few doesn't pull any punches on cheaters.

 

[TRest]

I wonder if we may be hearing something on the DePaul and Creighton front, with the NCAA looking deeper into the FBI's data. Mark Few doesn't pull any punches on cheaters.

Aren't you a Memphis stan? Careful what you wish for.

 

[StunningSteve]

FriarJ be like:

 

[StunningSteve]

Aren't you a Memphis stan? Careful what you wish for.

I'm a fan of Memphis in the sense that a strong Memphis helps the conference.

Just like a weak Memphis/UConn hurts the conference.

Wiseman/Memphis isn't quite Brian Bowen/DePaul/Creighton

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I wonder if we may be hearing something on the DePaul and Creighton front, with the NCAA looking deeper into the FBI's data. Mark Few doesn't pull any punches on cheaters.

There are too many dead bodies under that pile that the NCAA would like to see go away due to the involvement of a significant number of its 'untouchable' blue-blood programs. They won't take a deep dive unless the NCAA has absolutely no choice.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

we spent yesterday arguing about the future so today we can argue about the past. sigh.

correctamundo. you should be arguing about the present, specifically since 'tis the season, and y'all should be discussing what presents you're gonna give me... a new tricked out Tahoe would be okay, but I suppose a dictiamanery could be helpful too, since I have no clue as to what 'The Big Least' conference is. talk among yourselves--cash is good too. feliz navidad.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."

The Catholic 7 was the name widely used in the media for the departing Big East schools at the time. It is a convenient way to characterize them. Agree it wouldn't make sense to use for the current Big East.

The old Big East's foundation was cracking almost right from the start in 1979 between the small urban Catholic colleges (Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Georgetown) whose focus was on basketball and the larger football sponsoring universities (Boston College and Syracuse). UConn and Villanova were the two in-between programs that were basketball first while also supporting football

This divsiosn showed-up in a fatal way in 1982 when the Big East voted 5 for and 3 against to add Penn State where 6 votes (2/3 super majority) were needed to approve a new member. Via an interview in the Times with Gavitt, it is known that the 5 'yes' votes were BC, Syracuse, UConn, Providence, and Hall while St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanove voted 'no.' Pitt was added later on a 6-2 vote with Villanova flipping, likley as they saw Pitt as less of a threat than Penn St.

Consider this, when the old Big East was formed in 1979, Holy Cross and Rutgers said no. It is up for debate if Holy Cross saying 'no' opened the door for UConn or was UConn already going to be be invited. Let's say both school said 'yes' instead and UConn was also invited.

In that scenario, the vote goes 7 to 3 as both football friendly Holy Cross (arguably a stronger athletic power in basketball and football at that time than BC) and Rutgers vote 'yes' giving Penn St the super majority it needs as the 11th member. Pitt is then added the 12th member later in 1982. Then, 1991 rolls around and the Big East grabs U Miami (#13), which also pulls along Florida St (#14) as the Seminoles choose a more football 'friendly' Big East over tobacco road basketball in the ACC. Concurrently, Virginia Tech (#15) and West Virginia (#16) join to help fill in the geographic gap.

So, by 1994, the old Big East looks like this:

• Football (Major): 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) Syracuse, 4) Rutgers, 5) Pitt, 6) Penn St, 7) West Virginia, 8) Virginia Tech, 9) Florida St, 10) U Miami
• Basketball - North: 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) Providence, 4) UConn, 5) Syracuse, 6) St. John's, 7) Seton Hall, 8) Georgetown; South: 9) Rutgers, 10) Pitt, 11) Penn St, 12) Villanova, 13) West Virginia, 14) Virginia Tech, 15) Florida St, 16) U Miami

So from 1979 to 1994, the old Big East has potential elected football national champions in Penn St ('82, '86, '94) U Miami ('91) and Florida St ('92, '93, '94). In basketball, Georgetown ('84) and Villanova ('85) collect titles while Georgetown ('82, '85), Syracuse ('87), and Hall ('89) all have near misses.

In 1997 in an effort to get to a easier to manage 12 football teams, the old Big East asks UConn and Villanova to upgrade; but, Villanova declines, which allows the Catholic/Small School issue to fester.

Nevertheless, from 1995 to 2005, the old Big East adds football championships with Florida St ('96, '99), and U Miami ('00, '01) plus basketball titles with UConn ('99, '04) and Syracuse ('03) and a near miss by Syracuse ('96). During the same time, the ACC has 0 national football championships and 3 basketball titles.

So with football driving the bus, who raids who in 2005? The Catholics/Small Schools see the writing on the wall that football is king and do separate to form a new conference (maybe reviving the old Metro name in the process). But, even without those schools, the Big East is still in the driver's seat over the basketball-centric ACC and on nearly equal footing to the B1G. ND, which is football first and still has issues with the B1, forms an alliacne with the Biog East instead of the ACC. Shortly after, the football-first ACC schools see the same future and move in bulk from the ACC to the Big East to fill in the recenly vacataed spots and, which actually strengthens the league. Although now locked out of the NYC market, the B1G does well snatching-up the bigger Tobacco road schools that widen it's footprint and enahnces their basketball and academic cred. The Metro looks at Barlcay's, Comcast, and Verizon to host their basketbal galla while a the Big East Tournamnet stays at MSG and continues to be a big draw (the Orange Bowl hosts the Big East football championship game, which makes everyone happy). So, by 2018, the Big East and others lool like this:

• Big East - North: 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) UConn, 4) Syracuse, 5) Rutgers, 6) Penn St, 7) Pitt, 8) ND; South: 9) Virginia Tech, 10) West Virginia, 11) Louisville, 12) NC State, 13) Clemson, 14) Georgia Tech, 15) Florida St, 16) U Miami
• B1G - East: 1) Duke, 2) UNC, 3) UVA, 4) Maryland, 5) Ohio St, 6) Michigan, 7) Michigan St, 8) Indiana; West: 9) Purdue, 10) Illinois, 11) Northwestern, 12) Wisconsin, 13) Minnesota, 14) Nebraska, 15) Kansas, 16) Missouri
• ACC note: Wake Forest?
• Metro - East: 1) Providence, 2) St. John's, 3) Fordham, 4) Seton Hall, 5) Villanova, 7) St. Joesph's, 7) Georgetown; West: 9) St. Bonnaventure, 10) Duquesne, 11) Dayton, 12) Xavier, 13) Butler, 14) DePaul, 15) Creighton, 16) St. Louis

 

[Guapo]

The old Big East's foundation was cracking almost right from the start in 1979 between the small urban Catholic colleges (Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Georgetown) whose focus was on basketball and the larger football sponsoring universities (Boston College and Syracuse). UConn and Villanova were the two in-between programs that were basketbal first; but, also supported football.

This divsiosn showed-up in a fatal way in 1982 when the Big East voted 5 for and 3 against to add Penn State where 6 votes (2/3 super majority) were needed to approve a new member. Via an interview in the Times with Gavitt, it is known that the 5 'yes' votes were BC, Syracuse, UConn, Providence, and Hall while St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanove voted 'no.' Pitt was added later on a 6-2 vote with Villanova flipping, likley as they saw Pitt as less of a threat than Penn St.

Consider this, when the old Big East was formed in 1979, Holy Cross and Rutgers said no. It is up for debate if Holy Cross saying 'no' opened the door for UConn or was UConn already going to be be invited. Let's say UConn was invited either way and both of those schools said 'yes' instead.

In that scenario, the vote goes 7 to 3 as both football friendly Holy Cross and Rutgers vote 'yes' giving Penn St the super majority it needs as the 11th member. Pitt is then added the 12th member later in 1982. Then, 1991 rolls around and the Big East grabs U Miami (#13), which also pulls along Florida St (#14) as the Seminoles choose a more football 'friendly' Big East over tobacco road basketball in the ACC. In the same year, Virginia Tech (#15) and West Virginia (#16) join to fill in the geographic gap.

So, by 1994, the old Big East looks like this:

• Football (Major): 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) Syracuse, 4) Rutgers, 5) Pitt, 6) Penn St, 7) West Virginia, 8) Virginia Tech, 9) Florida St, 10) U Miami
• Basketball - North: 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) Providence, 4) UConn, 5) Syracuse, 6) St. John's, 7) Seton Hall, 8) Georgetown; South: 9) Rutgers, 10) Pitt, 11) Penn St, 12) Villanova, 13) West Virginia, 14) Virginia Tech, 15) Florida St, 16) U Miami

So from 1979 to 1994, the old Big East has potential elected football national champions in Penn St ('82, '86, '94) U Miami ('91) and Florida St ('92, '93, '94). In basketball, Georgetown ('84) and Villanova ('85) collect titles while Georgetown ('82, '85), Syracuse ('87), and Hall ('89) all have near misses.

In 1997 in an effort to get to a easier to manage 12 football teams, the old Big East asks UConn and Villanova to upgrade; but, Villanova declines, which allows the Catholic issue to fester.

Nevertheless, from 1995 to 2005, the old Big East adds football championships with Florida St ('96, '99), and U Miami ('00, '01) plus basketball titles with UConn ('99, '04) and Syracuse ('03) and another near miss by Syracuse ('96). During the same time, the ACC has 0 national football championships and 3 basketball titles.

So with football driving the bus, who raids who in 2005, even with the inevitable internal fracture with small Catholics? The Catholics schools still end-up forming a new, separate conference to the new Big East today (maybe using the old Metro name) as the money issue is too big of a factor. ND is football first, they would go with the Big East in some form over the ACC. I think the football-first ACC schools split and move into the Big East to fill in the gaps left by the Catholic schools departing while the tobacco road programs are grabbed by the B1G to bolster their basketball (and academic) cred. So, the Big East looks like this by 2018 (and MSG is very happy to host this basketball conference tournament).

• Big East - North: 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) UConn, 4) Syracuse, 5) Rutgers, 6) Penn St, 7) Pitt, 8) ND; South: 9) Virginia Tech, 10) West Virginia, 11) Louisville, 12) NC State, 13) Clemson, 14) Georgia Tech, 15) Florida St, 16) U Miami
• B1G - East: 1) Duke, 2) UNC, 3) UVA, 4) Maryland, 5) Ohio St, 6) Michigan, 7) Michigan St, 8) Indiana; West: 9) Purdue, 10) Illinois, 11) Northwestern, 12) Wisconsin, 13) Minnesota, 14) Nebraska, 15) Kansas, 16) Missouri
• ACC note: Wake Forest?
• Metro - East: 1) Providence, 2) St. John's, 3) Fordham, 4) Seton Hall, 5) Villanova, 7) St. Joesph's, 7) Georgetown; West: 9) St. Bonnaventure, 10) Duquesne, 11) Dayton, 12) Xavier, 13) Butler, 14) DePaul, 15) Creighton, 16) St. Louis

Do you have a job?

 

[StunningSteve]

The old Big East's foundation was cracking almost right from the start in 1979 between the small urban Catholic colleges (Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Georgetown) whose focus was on basketball and the larger football sponsoring universities (Boston College and Syracuse). UConn and Villanova were the two in-between programs that were basketbal first; but, also supported football.

This divsiosn showed-up in a fatal way in 1982 when the Big East voted 5 for and 3 against to add Penn State where 6 votes (2/3 super majority) were needed to approve a new member. Via an interview in the Times with Gavitt, it is known that the 5 'yes' votes were BC, Syracuse, UConn, Providence, and Hall while St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanove voted 'no.' Pitt was added later on a 6-2 vote with Villanova flipping, likley as they saw Pitt as less of a threat than Penn St.

Consider this, when the old Big East was formed in 1979, Holy Cross and Rutgers said no. It is up for debate if Holy Cross saying 'no' opened the door for UConn or was UConn already going to be be invited. Let's say UConn was invited either way and both of those schools said 'yes' instead.

In that scenario, the vote goes 7 to 3 as both football friendly Holy Cross and Rutgers vote 'yes' giving Penn St the super majority it needs as the 11th member. Pitt is then added the 12th member later in 1982. Then, 1991 rolls around and the Big East grabs U Miami (#13), which also pulls along Florida St (#14) as the Seminoles choose a more football 'friendly' Big East over tobacco road basketball in the ACC. In the same year, Virginia Tech (#15) and West Virginia (#16) join to fill in the geographic gap.

So, by 1994, the old Big East looks like this:

• Football (Major): 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) Syracuse, 4) Rutgers, 5) Pitt, 6) Penn St, 7) West Virginia, 8) Virginia Tech, 9) Florida St, 10) U Miami
• Basketball - North: 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) Providence, 4) UConn, 5) Syracuse, 6) St. John's, 7) Seton Hall, 8) Georgetown; South: 9) Rutgers, 10) Pitt, 11) Penn St, 12) Villanova, 13) West Virginia, 14) Virginia Tech, 15) Florida St, 16) U Miami

So from 1979 to 1994, the old Big East has potential elected football national champions in Penn St ('82, '86, '94) U Miami ('91) and Florida St ('92, '93, '94). In basketball, Georgetown ('84) and Villanova ('85) collect titles while Georgetown ('82, '85), Syracuse ('87), and Hall ('89) all have near misses.

In 1997 in an effort to get to a easier to manage 12 football teams, the old Big East asks UConn and Villanova to upgrade; but, Villanova declines, which allows the Catholic issue to fester.

Nevertheless, from 1995 to 2005, the old Big East adds football championships with Florida St ('96, '99), and U Miami ('00, '01) plus basketball titles with UConn ('99, '04) and Syracuse ('03) and another near miss by Syracuse ('96). During the same time, the ACC has 0 national football championships and 3 basketball titles.

So with football driving the bus, who raids who in 2005, even with the inevitable internal fracture with small Catholics? The Catholics schools still end-up forming a new, separate conference to the new Big East today (maybe using the old Metro name) as the money issue is too big of a factor. ND is football first, they would go with the Big East in some form over the ACC. I think the football-first ACC schools split and move into the Big East to fill in the gaps left by the Catholic schools departing while the tobacco road programs are grabbed by the B1G to bolster their basketball (and academic) cred. So, the Big East looks like this by 2018 (and MSG is very happy to host this basketball conference tournament).

• Big East - North: 1) BC, 2) Holy Cross, 3) UConn, 4) Syracuse, 5) Rutgers, 6) Penn St, 7) Pitt, 8) ND; South: 9) Virginia Tech, 10) West Virginia, 11) Louisville, 12) NC State, 13) Clemson, 14) Georgia Tech, 15) Florida St, 16) U Miami
• B1G - East: 1) Duke, 2) UNC, 3) UVA, 4) Maryland, 5) Ohio St, 6) Michigan, 7) Michigan St, 8) Indiana; West: 9) Purdue, 10) Illinois, 11) Northwestern, 12) Wisconsin, 13) Minnesota, 14) Nebraska, 15) Kansas, 16) Missouri
• ACC note: Wake Forest?
• Metro - East: 1) Providence, 2) St. John's, 3) Fordham, 4) Seton Hall, 5) Villanova, 7) St. Joesph's, 7) Georgetown; West: 9) St. Bonnaventure, 10) Duquesne, 11) Dayton, 12) Xavier, 13) Butler, 14) DePaul, 15) Creighton, 16) St. Louis

This is the coolest post I’ve seen in awhile.

It’s all plausible.

It kinda makes you wonder what 2025 holds for the football playing conferences.

Regardless, I think the 8 team playoff will happen (largely because of the UCF conundrum), so regardless of any movement at all the plate shifting will open up a route to the national football playoff for the Huskies.

 

[billybud]

Yep...alternate histtory fiction is fun to read and is usually plausible....

Like Amerika...under Nazi rule.