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[upstater]

You are wrong on almost every point you make. So going to the Final Four is all the matters? How many of UConn's current conference mates have ever been to one? Cincinnati's last was over 20 years ago, and Memphis has not sniffed the second weekend since the squid stopped hiring test takers.

Never said going to a F4 is all that matters. The Squid left Memphis less than 5 years ago. You're saying Memphis hasn't made it in 5 years? Is that bad? What I did say is that these perennial conference champs should try to make it out of the first round once in a while, something Creighton is practically incapable of doing. I think I've seen Cincy do it recently and Memphis too. And Temple.But yet year after year we see Creighton (and frankly, a good many Plains/Mountain West/Big Sky teams) run up gaudy records and exit quickly. Why is this relevant? Because if form holds, those 2k Creighton fans will be twiddling thumbs after the first game or so.

You want to see grim ratings? Wait for UConn/UCF or UConn/ECU next year.

UConn plays UCF this year. Why not this year? bet the ratings are good. 2/9/13. ESPN2. The ratings will destroy FS1s. I'll bet you on it.

Go to a UConn game. The Gampel was 2/3's full on Sunday. 5 years ago, the Gampel is packed for a Sunday afternoon game. There is no energy left in the fan base, and we are just entering purgatory. Wait until the casual fans start to realize they are in a southern mid-major football conference without a single true rival. By the time any conference thinks about expanding, UConn will be off the radar. The fan base gone, and the athletic program killed.

You didn't even watch the game Sunday. It was 90% full. 5 years ago for a Fall Sunday afternoon game at Gampel, when UConn won 79-73 (I believe this was the Jeremy Lin game), the attendance was lower than it was this past Sunday.

 

[upstater]

Yes, I'm very impressed by what Creighton did in the NCAA tournament the last 30 years. Who makes things up?

You said that you have been calling out Creighton as a paper tiger - I merely pointed out that they had two recent teams that were somewhat well regarded and they lost to Duke and North Carolina in the second round.

The PCs brought them up in the context of attendance and support and you are still railing about your impressive prediction that an MVC team that gets dealt tough seeds doesn't usually go far in the tournament. That's super insightful. Thank God you were all over it.

Tough seeds? Really? My God. They are ranked top 15 every other year and get a 5 seed. Losses to Nevada, Central Michigan, man, since 1975 they have been in the NCAAs 14 times (very impressive) and never once made the S16 (very unimpressive for a team regularly ranked in the top 25). In fact, that's pathetic.

 

[upstater]

I agree that you implied each school brought 12,000 each. Just admit you made an accounting error and move on.

Another guy who can't read.

I did say they brought 12,000 each. Except when they play each other. It's right there in my post. What's the matter with you?

 

[whaler11]

Tough seeds? Really? My God. They are ranked top 15 every other year and get a 5 seed. Losses to Nevada, Central Michigan, man, since 1975 they have been in the NCAAs 14 times (very impressive) and never once made the S16 (very unimpressive for a team regularly ranked in the top 25). In fact, that's pathetic.

Really you were railing against them in 2003 when they lost to Central Michigan? That's the only NCAA tourney game they lost as a higher
seed this century.

2013 - 7
2012 - 8
2007 -10
2005 - 10
2003 - 6
2002 - 12
2001 - 10
2000 - 10
1999 - 10

Look at all those 5 seeds they get. Did you mean 5x2 seeds?

Teams with those seeds would be expected to win 3 games over those 9 tourneys. They won 4.

They really underperform the great seeds they get.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Never said going to a F4 is all that matters. The Squid left Memphis less than 5 years ago. You're saying Memphis hasn't made it in 5 years? Is that bad? What I did say is that these perennial conference champs should try to make it out of the first round once in a while, something Creighton is practically incapable of doing. I think I've seen Cincy do it recently and Memphis too. And Temple.But yet year after year we see Creighton (and frankly, a good many Plains/Mountain West/Big Sky teams) run up gaudy records and exit quickly. Why is this relevant? Because if form holds, those 2k Creighton fans will be twiddling thumbs after the first game or so.



UConn plays UCF this year. Why not this year? bet the ratings are good. 2/9/13. ESPN2. The ratings will destroy FS1s. I'll bet you on it.



You didn't even watch the game Sunday. It was 90% full. 5 years ago for a Fall Sunday afternoon game at Gampel, when UConn won 79-73 (I believe this was the Jeremy Lin game), the attendance was lower than it was this past Sunday.

I was in the stands on Sunday. 2/3's full is a very fair characterization of the crowd.

The Big East will have at least double the Final Four teams over the next 10 years than the AAC. In fact, I don't see an AAC school outside of UConn making the Final Four in the next 10 years.

 

[metsfan2323]

By the time any conference thinks about expanding, UConn will be off the radar. The fan base gone, and the athletic program killed.

Maybe you should lead the way.

The guy who wants to kill football is pretending to be worried about UCONN being off the radar.

 

[upstater]

Really you were railing against them in 2003 when they lost to Central Michigan? That's the only NCAA tourney game they lost as a higher
seed this century.

2013 - 7
2012 - 8
2007 -10
2005 - 10
2003 - 6
2002 - 12
2001 - 10
2000 - 10
1999 - 10

Look at all those 5 seeds they get. Did you mean 5x2 seeds?

Teams with those seeds would be expected to win 3 games over those 9 tourneys. They won 4.

They really underperform the great seeds they get.

My god, just ONCE in 14 tries I'd hope they get to a sweet 16. ONCE. Especially after being ranked in the top 25 for much of the season.

It's been since 1975. That's 38 years. Of ineptitude.

 

[upstater]

I was in the stands on Sunday. 2/3's full is a very fair characterization of the crowd.

The Big East will have at least double the Final Four teams over the next 10 years than the AAC. In fact, I don't see an AAC school outside of UConn making the Final Four in the next 10 years.

You were wrong about attendance this past Sunday and wrong about attendance on a Sunday 5 years ago.

 

[Waquoit]

Can't disagree with that. I guess we will see. I expect with PC's re-emergence they will have decent attendance...

Don't you have to emerge at least once before you can re-emerge?

 

[Waquoit]

You were wrong about attendance this past Sunday and wrong about attendance on a Sunday 5 years ago.

2/3's is about right as far fannies in seats go for the Sunday game. It was even worse for the 1st game. The thing is all of those empty seats in the upper end zone are student seats that they count as sold for announced attendance purposes, I believe.

 

[FriarJ]

Don't you have to emerge at least once before you can re-emerge?

ok, their emergence. I'm sorry I forgot that college basketball history only goes back to 90 on the Boneyard

 

[upstater]

2/3's is about right as far fannies in seats go for the Sunday game. It was even worse for the 1st game. The thing is all of those empty seats in the upper end zone are student seats that they count as sold for announced attendance purposes, I believe.

You believe? then how do you explain 8k sold for the 2nd game? That's less than season tickets.

When the camera panned across Gampel, the last rows in the upper levels on all sides were taken.

Regardless, the number was higher than in 2008-9, and neither game was a sellout.

 

[whaler11]

You believe? then how do you explain 8k sold for the 2nd game? That's less than season tickets.

When the camera panned across Gampel, the last rows in the upper levels on all sides were taken.

Regardless, the number was higher than in 2008-9, and neither game was a sellout.

Hey you were in the building morons what do you know. Someone saw on TV!

 

[upstater]

Hey you were in the building morons what do you know. Someone saw on TV!

He was in the building? Oh, he didn't say that. Was he in the building?

Perhaps you are confusing him with Nelson. I see you are a big fan of Nelson. Good for you.

 

[Husky25]

Hey you were in the building morons what do you know. Someone saw on TV!

You know what I saw on TV? The deteriorating roof. It is no longer just pock marked. Whole triangles are ripping from the ceiling. It may still be structurally sound (barely), but aesthetically, it's quite displeasing to the eye.

As far as in-arena attendance goes, it is getting less and less important. A more important number is the overnight TV ratings. Obviously, the school and onlooking conferences don't want to see a half filled arena, but as long as the game is not blacked out, they will give some leeway because people are watching at home, which means more advertising revenue for a conference network. It's an ongoing battle, but with the affordability of 50+" HD TV's and cheap store bought food, it makes almost zero sense to go up to Hartford or Storrs deal with traffic, parking, $9 Miller Lite that tastes funny (at HCC) and sit 150 ft. from the nearest corner of the court.

Officially, Gampel was over 90% filled (9,195), which is probably a better representation of total tickets distributed.

Better question...Why was the game scheduled for early Sunday Afternoon during the NFL season?

 

[whaler11]

Yeah watching games around the country the past few weeks there are a lot of empty buildings. Texas Tech played in front of what looked like a crowd in the hundreds a few nights ago.

The famed Cameron Crazies must have overslept for ECU.

Hopefully UConn wises up soon and realizes that people aren't spending $30 to see Maine from the second deck of the XL center. Those days are gone - too much competition.

 

[FriarJ]

BC played in front of 1,650 the other night. Talk about a mess.

 

[freescooter]

Everyone in almost every sport is suffering from attendance woes. part of it is that there are just too many options. People only go to event games. Even the Boston Red Sox averaged 3000 fewer fans this past season (excluding post season) than last year. It is a combination of cost, improved quality of the tv coverage, over saturation of tv games (heck on ESPN alone the there are 3-4 options), just flick the clicker if one is a blowout. And as someone posted, nobody is going to pay $30 to watch UConn blow out Maine or Fairfield or ECU for that matter. then throw away any semblance of regional rivalries because you aren't going to Dallas on a Wednesday night to watch SMU, nor are there 3 fans traveling to Hartford mid-week. Gone are the days of driving to Providence or Boston or grabbing the train from New Haven to the Garden to play the Johnnies. now those teams stink, so it might not be worth the trip anyway, but so do SMU and Houston and ECU but you can't easily get there.

 

[upstater]

Better question...Why was the game scheduled for early Sunday Afternoon during the NFL season?

They've always done a few of those games.

They must have also looked at the schedule. Only the Jets were playing of the 3 area teams. But they were AT Buffalo. New England and the Giants were late games.

 

[Husky25]

They've always done a few of those games.

They must have also looked at the schedule. Only the Jets were playing of the 3 area teams. But they were AT Buffalo. New England and the Giants were late games.

DirecTV, fantasy football, and any game you want is available on the Internet. If I know where to look, surely a 20 year old does.

When I lived on campus, we didn't go to brunch until 12:00. The tip for 1:00 games was in doubt...Poor planning.

 

[upstater]

DirecTV, fantasy football, and any game you want is available on the Internet. If I know where to look, surely a 20 year old does.

When I lived on campus, we didn't go to brunch until 12:00. The tip for 1:00 games was in doubt...Poor planning.

They could watch the games in their seats then. Plus, NFL doesn't start until 1:05.

 

[Husky25]

They could watch the games in their seats then. Plus, NFL doesn't start until 1:05.

So you'd be okay with a packed hour until halftime and then an exodus? It was really a harmless question (Thanks for the back and forth), but it does illustrate the over saturation Scooter referred to above. We had Cox cable, dial up modem, and mainframe access when I graduated College. We thought we were living like kings. I had my own 13 inch tube, but we brought in my buddy's fancy 24 incher for the '99 Final 4. It was like a big screen compared to mine. Now, a 24" HD monitor is standard issue, with whatever you want at your finger tips.

 

[upstater]

So you'd be okay with a packed hour until halftime and then an exodus? It was really a harmless question (Thanks for the back and forth), but it does illustrate the over saturation Scooter referred to above. We had Cox cable, dial up modem, and mainframe access when I graduated College. We thought we were living like kings. I had my own 13 inch tube, but we brought in my buddy's fancy 24 incher for the '99 Final 4. It was like a big screen compared to mine. Now, a 24" HD monitor is standard issue, with whatever you want at your finger tips.

I think I was saying the opposite. They could literally watch football in their seats. Have you see the next phase of stadiums and arenas. Each seat will have a multimedia entertainment center. That's if you buy a seat. Luxury boxes will be located on the court/field. If you'd rather not mess with media, there are new options, like standing levels and areas.

 

[Husky25]

I think I was saying the opposite. They could literally watch football in their seats. Have you see the next phase of stadiums and arenas. Each seat will have a multimedia entertainment center. That's if you buy a seat. Luxury boxes will be located on the court/field. If you'd rather not mess with media, there are new options, like standing levels and areas.

I was in Denver Colorado during the last week of the baseball season. My wife and I were there to see the Sox in Coors Field, but we got preseason tickets to the Avs for the night before (on the glass for $13.50/pc. off StubHub, It was fantastic). Let's put it this way. If the Pepsi Center is the new low water mark, Connecticut will never see professional sports on the highest level ever again.

 

[Excalibur]

They could literally watch football in their seats.

Football on your phone?

 

[upstater]

Some of last week's fs2 games had 2,000 viewers

http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.com/2013/11/nbc-sports-network-nbcsn-fox-sports-1_22.html

College hockey on NBCSN did 88,000 fans, which matched the best BE rating on Fs1 again, and this time Minnesota wasn't involved.

Other FS1 games were 64k, 58k, 37k, 35k, 17k, 8k. The Fs2 games were beyond abysmal.
I'd venture to say that UConn on SNY was getting more viewers.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Some of last week's fs2 games had 2,000 viewers

http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.com/2013/11/nbc-sports-network-nbcsn-fox-sports-1_22.html

College hockey on NBCSN did 88,000 fans, which matched the best BE rating on Fs1 again, and this time Minnesota wasn't involved.

Other FS1 games were 64k, 58k, 37k, 35k, 17k, 8k. The Fs2 games were beyond abysmal.
I'd venture to say that UConn on SNY was getting more viewers.

You are making this argument the weekend where, for the third time this season, a UConn football game was only available online.

This debate is over. One conference seems to have almost every game nationally broadcast, and one conference is available primarily through the Internet.

 

[upstater]

You are making this argument the weekend where, for the third time this season, a UConn football game was only available online.

This debate is over. One conference seems to have almost every game nationally broadcast, and one conference is available primarily through the Internet.

Football is on the old contract. New contract kicks in next year. 50% more games on ESPN.

 

[noeynox]

Football is on the old contract. New contract kicks in next year. 50% more games on ESPN.

He refuses to acknowledge that very valid point. It is not worth arguing it with him, since he seems hell bent on ignoring facts like those to claim victory in this argument.

Really is no argument to be made, if when you factor the in exit fees, UConn is making more money than the Big East schools, and if the new contract is going be close in terms of getting exposure, the only thing left to argue is that your mad your going to be playing East Carolina instead of Seton Hall in basketball.

 

[Husky25]

You are making this argument the weekend where, for the third time this season, a UConn football game was only available online.

This debate is over. One conference seems to have almost every game nationally broadcast, and one conference is available primarily through the Internet.

This is the very definition of an Apples (Football) and Oranges (Basketball) comparison. Also you are trying to compare a single poor football team vs. the entire conference. UConn was 0-9 playing another poor team who was 1-9. There were other AAC games on Saturday on the over-the-air ESPN channels featuring better matchups. The Big East does not sponsor FBS football, so they cannot be broadcast at all, let alone on the Internet or nationally. If Big East basketball on Fox Sports is getting rating like those that have been published on this thread, it is a poor performance. There are no, "Yeah, buts." Period.