Big 12 season thread ('24-'25)

[KnightBridgeAZ]

In a break from Arizona talk, what will it take to win the Big 12? Nobody is going to do a Baylor 18-0 and 17-1 seems pretty unlikely as KSU and TCU are not going to run the board the next nine games. Will 14-4 get a shared piece of the title? Seems 15-3 will win it outright.

KSU is Lee-less and TCU is playing their core five a million minutes a game which might open the door for Baylor to step up. Really seems down to the current top three. Baylor has ISU and WVU at Waco (big diff playing WVU at home) and KSU and Colorado on the road (mile high Boulder isn't an easy roadie). TCU has ISU, KSU, Baylor all on the road and WVU at home. KSU has at ISU and WVU and home for home for Baylor. Including games at ISU as tough only because even if not a top team ISU is very tough at home.

Standings after the only game that mattered in the standings for the top half, OSU losing at WVU.


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I'm sure I don't know what its going to take, but at the moment it seems to be that the top 3 are not really well differentiated. In the abstract I currently like WV and Utah a bit more than Ok State, but again, not sure they are strongly differentiated, either.

In the end, I think I care more about who wins the tourney than the regular season this year. I'm not convinced that the 2 winners will be the same this year.

 

[ISUnorth]

I'm sure I don't know what its going to take, but at the moment it seems to be that the top 3 are not really well differentiated. In the abstract I currently like WV and Utah a bit more than Ok State, but again, not sure they are strongly differentiated, either.

In the end, I think I care more about who wins the tourney than the regular season this year. I'm not convinced that the 2 winners will be the same this year.

Iowa State fans have a cult like devotion to the Big 12 tournament dating back to the Big 8 days. Maybe that's related to the popularity of the HS tournaments in Iowa or the fact we never win the regular season top spot but have a couple tournament titles as consolation prizes. I am an outlier in that respect, I never put much stock in the tournament, really any of them. Exception being the Big Ten the last couple of seasons. Maybe because I live so close to Mpls Target Center I did tune in for some of those games and there were a few really good games.

Don't disagree that the overall champ might not be the tourney champ. TCU and KSU have the best records and look to be the best teams but they aren't set up roster wise to win three games in three days. That would be a LOT of minutes for Van Lith, Prince, Sundell etc. And KSU would be crazy to play Lee too many minutes prior to March Madness if they indeed get her back (and I hope she is back).

 

[azfan]

ISU hitting threes and taking care of business against Cincinnati. Graphic at the end of the quarter indicated that Bill Fennelly's team had 200 plus threes for the last 21 seasons and with 189 going into this game looks like it'll be 22 consecutive seasons hitting threes

I guess he's known as the dean due to his 30 years at ISU and 22 appearances at the big dance

I think I posted elsewhere he's making $850,000 a year but is not the highest paid coach in the Big 12. Financial discipline at Ames?

Perhaps he could benefit by switching agents?

 

[azfan]

Tech breaks the streak...leading Utah 17-15 at the end of the first quarter. This is the first time all year the Red Raiders have led at the end of the first quarter. That's kind of an unbelievable streak but they are looking pretty good at least in the first quarter.

 

[azfan]

Hummmm. 8-8 at the end of the first in battle for first place. While both teams are 9 and 1 in the conference I'm not buying great defense although the defenses really good. Teams have combined for more turnovers than made buckets. Neither of offense seems to be in a position to overcome or adapt to the pressure. Prince certainly is not quick but so far the cats haven't been able to get past her presence. The much anticipated Sundell - Van Lith dual has yet to materialize

 

[azfan]

5 minutes to tip in Boulder as the kitties confront a Colorado team short handed due to injury. The question is will Frida Foreman play and if not do the Buffaloes have enough to take out the team from the dirty t.

Inquiring minds want to know which Cunningham shows up tonight. The 19 minute 4 foul version or the steady presence in the paint version.

 

[azfan]

5 minutes to tip in Boulder as the kitties confront a Colorado team short handed due to injury. The question is will Frida Foreman play and if not do the Buffaloes have enough to take out the team from the dirty t.

Inquiring minds want to know which Cunningham shows up tonight. The 19 minute 4 foul version or the steady presence in the paint version.

@KnightBridgeAZ has got to be enjoying the atmosphere in Boulder.

Looks like two foul Cunningham 2 minutes into the game showed up. The announcers had an interesting stat that said the kitties are 13 and oh when they score the first basket in a game and they did score the first basket in Boulder so perhaps they will be really successful without Cunningham on the floor tonight.

After Beh takes her second three she's getting an earful from the assistant coach on the sideline LOL

I knew that Barnrs' husband was her assistant but the announcers just indicated the same for JR Payne. interesting I'm wondering how many wbb coaches have their husband as number one assistant.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Sundell ain't losing this game. They are going iso and she's scoring on whoever is guarding her every possession.

Somebody forgot to tell K State they were supposed to start losing with Lee out injured.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Utah with a narrow win against Texas Tech and West Virginia drilled Kansas.

 

[jdote33]

Sundell ain't losing this game. They are going iso and she's scoring on whoever is guarding her every possession.

Somebody forgot to tell K State they were supposed to start losing with Lee out injured.

Sooo impressed by Sundell. Always loved her game. But I tune in late and they are just running straight isos and she's bullying Hailey Van Lith. She has a wirey frame but she was legit their best post offense.

 

[nwhoopfan]

59-50 Kansas St. 27 for Sundell.

TCU big 3 Prince/Van Lith/Conner held to 14/11/9. Frogs went ice cold down the stretch.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Sooo impressed by Sundell. Always loved her game. But I tune in late and they are just running straight isos and she's bullying Hailey Van Lith. She has a wirey frame but she was legit their best post offense.

She had a couple against Emma-Nnopu as well, who had 4 fouls so couldn't do much, but is bigger than Van Lith.

 

[ISUnorth]

ISU hitting threes and taking care of business against Cincinnati. Graphic at the end of the quarter indicated that Bill Fennelly's team had 200 plus threes for the last 21 seasons and with 189 going into this game looks like it'll be 22 consecutive seasons hitting threes

I guess he's known as the dean due to his 30 years at ISU and 22 appearances at the big dance

I think I posted elsewhere he's making $850,000 a year but is not the highest paid coach in the Big 12. Financial discipline at Ames?

Perhaps he could benefit by switching agents?

No need to overpay as only Arizona pays their coach more in the Big 12. Texas and OU paid more but they are in the SEC now and had more money than any of the other Big 12 teams. Plus Fennelly gets to have his son as an assistant for $175K so it's sort of family business.

 

[nwhoopfan]

BYU trying really hard to blow an 11 point lead in last 3 minutes. Refs doing their part too. UCF pressing and trapping aggressively, running over players w/ no foul calls. Other end UCF drives and throws up crazy shots, get rewarded with free throws. Refs are a weird breed of people.

And now a massive flop by UCF gets rewarded w/ another foul on BYU. These refs are AWFUL.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Another terrible call, BYU blocking out on D rebound, UCF player flops, foul on BYU. Tell me this game isn't fixed.

 

[packwrap]

I think I posted elsewhere he's making $850,000 a year but is not the highest paid coach in the Big 12. Financial discipline at Ames?

Perhaps he could benefit by switching agents?

Low cost of living in Ames. I think this is a throwback; humble guy happy where he is and more than comfortable, not pushing for every penny.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I think there have been about 20 reviews in the last 2 minutes.

BYU is (probably) going to hang on, but if I was their coach I would send a copy of the last 3 minutes of the game to the league office and ask them to explain to me any of those calls/no calls.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Colorado beat Arizona 56-47.

 

[nwhoopfan]

The question is will Frida Foreman play and if not do the Buffaloes have enough to take out the team from the dirty t.

No Formann no problem. Cats couldn't survive 3-14 shooting by Jada Williams.