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Big 12 Pausing Expansion

Silly me, I actually thought the Big 12 would not be in these talks at this point
without having the votes. To me this never should have happened without the
votes FIRST! There is no excuse.

By the way, I care much more about football than basketball. Because the football programs will have all the money and will buy off all of the top basketball players.

Why can't people understand that? The Big East will not be the same in a few
years.
 
To me the pause could be a way for the B12 and UConn to shut down the media noise surrounding the negotiation. The leak was untimely, and it created much drama around the sensitive negotiation. Also, there were so much uneducated false info regarding UConn during the media propaganda that really caused much pressure on the negotiation when it is not needed.

I don't feel this is over. Rather, it is just UConn and the B12 putting out a press to shut down the noise.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
To me the pause could be a way for the B12 and UConn to shut down the media noise surrounding the negotiation. The leak was untimely, and it created much drama around the sensitive negotiation. Also, there were so much uneducated false info regarding UConn during the media propaganda that really caused much pressure on the negotiation when it is not needed.

I don't feel this is over. Rather, it is just UConn and the B12 putting out a press to shut down the noise.
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maybe it also gives UConn some time to check in with the ACC?
 
Yormark had no business going down this road without the votes FIRST!!!!!
He should be fired.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
To me the pause could be a way for the B12 and UConn to shut down the media noise surrounding the negotiation. The leak was untimely, and it created much drama around the sensitive negotiation. Also, there were so much uneducated false info regarding UConn during the media propaganda that really caused much pressure on the negotiation when it is not needed.

I don't feel this is over. Rather, it is just UConn and the B12 putting out a press to shut down the noise.
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I thought that too. Maybe.
 
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Sea Goat said:
Yup - Mora put up a real stinker at a most be inopportune moment...
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This goes without saying that if UConn can't put a decent football team on the field, we will continue to be dragged into the mud by a bunch of uneducated media people.

I have suggested before we hired Mora that we should have hired the entire staff of South Dakota State, and I still feel the same. The fact they have created a great football team with much less resources than UConn should be more telling. If Mora doesn't deliver this year, UConn should seriously consider this path.
 
jostar1 said:
How could he get Yes votes without UConn's presentation and Endeavor's presentation?

The problem is more that it got leaked by someone at UConn and Mark Zanetto blew up the story.
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You actually think all those programs went into this with an open mind? I'd bet most would have advised him to not push for this again.
 
From the podcasts that I've watched and the stories that I've read over the last few days this is not totally unexpected. This is not over, just on pause. Apparently there are a number of factors that are still developing including All-State, ESPN, FOX, revenue sharing, and more. The New York/New England markets are also a major part of the equation including UCONN. To be clear, this is not my prediction, just what I've been hearing/reading.
 
superjohn said:
I care about UConn football but if it meant getting rid of it to save UConn basketball and keeping UConn basketball at the top I would cut it in the next 5 minutes.
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I understand your sentiment, but I submit that it's short sighted. Now we make bubkis in the BE. Unless BB is monetized akin to the CFP, the payouts for the BE will always suck. Ultimately, the the P-2 will dominate in BB because of the spin off financial benefits made possible by CFP. Already, Greg Sankey, SEC Commissioner, is eying dominance in hoops fueled by the SEC's huge $$ advantage driven by CFP.

We made $6.5mm from the BE in 2023. This was the same as Creighton. The lowest of the low in P-2 make 10x that amount. Are we are going to keep funding $38mm shortfalls in our athletic budget each year? We need a full service conference. Failure to find one will eventually destroy UConn sports as we know it...

(Notwithstanding Murphy 's uninformed comments to the contrary...)
 
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bendm said:
Don’t want any part of a P3 bball tourney whether we’re part of it or not. Sham tournament crowning a sham champion.

But I’m also not worried about it. The tourney is going to grow not contract.
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I don't think you understand where this could be going. There could be a P4 of 80+ schools of football and basketball playing members that breaks away from the NCAA. So, there could be more spots coming up, but you have to grab one of those spots. SMU understood this and do what they could to get onto the other side of the potential divide. Oregon St., Washington St., Boise St., SD State, Memphis, Tulane, USF, ECU,.... are all begging to be let into the P4.

And, revenue sharing is a major risk for basketball as the P4, certainly the P2, could be in a significant advantaged position for paying players. There is talk of eliminating NIL collectives and only using media contract revenues for paying players. UConn does not have enough media revenues to share to compete. Why don't UConn fans understand this?

If UConn had manhandled Maryland, there would have been a Big 12 invite as some of the movers and shakers of the Big 12 are worried about UConn football's ability to compete and it was in their face on Saturday. But, we didn't invest in football over the past 10 years and here we are.
 
NHRich said:
You actually think all those programs went into this with an open mind? I'd bet most would have advised him to not push for this again.
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I think he knew there were enough nos to kill it, he was counting on the time to try to sell it without having to every skeptic in the midwest/Great Plains media calling their already skeptical presidents and ADs to ask them "why?" or without having Connecticut based media and politicians jumping in to express concern or point out that it might "erode it's identity."

The leak was designed to eliminate the chances of Yormark's sales pitch finding enough buyers and it worked.
 
UConnJim said:
80+ schools
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I understand where you think it’s going and I disagree. A division of 80 schools and they all get into the tournament. That’s a sham. The richest European soccer clubs just tried this and the entire continent revolted. I wouldnt want any part of it either.
 
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The best college basketball conference in the NCAA according to the basketball only crowd got 3 teams in the NCAA Tourney last season. Our Commissioner was roundly criticized by fans for not raising enough of a stink. She admitted she had no power to change things and yelling was pointless. You all are delusional. We need to get into a power 3 or 4 conference ASAP. It is 2024 and we get an invite or fade away.
 
Sea Goat said:
I understand your sentiment, but I submit that it's short sighted. Now we make bubkis in the BE. Unless BB is monetized akin to the CFP, the payouts for the BE will always suck. Ultimately, the the P-2 will dominate in BB because of the spin off financial benefits made possible by CFP. Already, Greg Sankey, SEC Commissioner, is eying dominance in hoops fueled by the SEC's huge $$ advantage driven by CFP.

We made $6.5mm from the BE in 2023. This was the same as Creighton. The lowest of the low in P-2 make 10x that amount. Are we are going to keep funding $38mm shortfalls in our athletic budget each year? We need a full service conference. Failure to find one will eventually destroy UConn sports as we know it...

(Notwithstanding Murphy 's uninformed comments to the contrary...)
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I don’t follow WBB but seams like SC and LSU do pretty well.
 
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August_West said:
I bet I do grasp what you think is going to happen. I don't believe you. Because you (and everyone else) actually have zero idea of what it will be.
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This is true. Nobody expected any of the wildness that has occurred so far and nobody knows what will happen in college athletics. It's the most unstable landscape maybe in the entire history of all sports.
 
I love the sentiment B12 fans have about UConn, like "we don't need to grab them now, they're not going anywhere anytime soon," like this is such a pathetic take. There are people who's livelihoods are affected by the repeated blue balls your conference has given our school but eh who cares, not like they can do anything about it or go anywhere. let's just keep them on a chain to tease when we're feeling bored
 
cellocgg said:
I love the sentiment B12 fans have about UConn, like "we don't need to grab them now, they're not going anywhere anytime soon," like this is such a pathetic take. There are people who's livelihoods are affected by the repeated blue balls your conference has given our school but eh who cares, not like they can do anything about it or go anywhere. let's just keep them on a chain to tease when we're feeling bored
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Why should they worry about anyone's livelihood other than those of the current Big12 membership and those at the conference?
Good things happen for you when you make them happen. If we had built on 2010 we wouldn't be here today, but we failed to keep the upward trajectory. Lou Perkins was a crook but he saw where we needed to go and had us on the right path but his successor couldn't handle the job or wanted to sabotage the school because he was being forced out. So here we are....
 
cellocgg said:
I love the sentiment B12 fans have about UConn, like "we don't need to grab them now, they're not going anywhere anytime soon," like this is such a pathetic take. There are people who's livelihoods are affected by the repeated blue balls your conference has given our school but eh who cares, not like they can do anything about it or go anywhere. let's just keep them on a chain to tease when we're feeling bored
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and what are you going to do about it?
 
NHRich said:
Silly me, I actually thought the Big 12 would not be in these talks at this point
without having the votes. To me this never should have happened without the
votes FIRST! There is no excuse.

By the way, I care much more about football than basketball. Because the football programs will have all the money and will buy off all of the top basketball players.

Why can't people understand that? The Big East will not be the same in a few
years.
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Because it doesn't work that way. The fear is it will work that way in the future but Duke, UConn, UNC, Kentucky, Nova, Louisville, Zags etc. aren't going anywhere. There's too much built in history there old and new. Sure, the money is different and all this realignment sucks but Bama, Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson etc. aren't all of a sudden just going to be winning all the championships. Football is their thing, it's their culture. They'll have some really good basketball seasons when they have great coaches but I don't believe the basketball schools are going anywhere.

We've been screwed over every way possible unlike any other school throughout all of this but we're not Mississippi. The state and the school know the importance of UConn basketball. We're not going to let it all die on the vine. It's our pro team and we know it's value.
 
Sea Goat said:
I understand your sentiment, but I submit that it's short sighted. Now we make bubkis in the BE. Unless BB is monetized akin to the CFP, the payouts for the BE will always suck. Ultimately, the the P-2 will dominate in BB because of the spin off financial benefits made possible by CFP. Already, Greg Sankey, SEC Commissioner, is eying dominance in hoops fueled by the SEC's huge $$ advantage driven by CFP.

We made $6.5mm from the BE in 2023. This was the same as Creighton. The lowest of the low in P-2 make 10x that amount. Are we are going to keep funding $38mm shortfalls in our athletic budget each year? We need a full service conference. Failure to find one will eventually destroy UConn sports as we know it...

(Notwithstanding Murphy 's uninformed comments to the contrary...)
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I don't think you know the financials other than the TV contracts we all have access to. You don't know what the state and school are willing to spend. We don't know where this ends. We don't know if the gov't ever gets involved. We don't know if this spins off into individual sports/entities. We don't know if the viewing appetite is there for a condensed group of 42 schools or so playing only with which maybe 30 of them are somewhat marquee names. We don't know if schools like Vandy and Northwester check out of this.

We know we're in a uniquely bad situation but there's so many variables on how this all shakes out. One thing I'm pretty confident about is that the state of CT isn't going to let UConn basketball die off.
 
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Scrutiner said:
Why should they worry about anyone's livelihood other than those of the current Big12 membership and those at the conference?
Good things happen for you when you make them happen. If we had built on 2010 we wouldn't be here today, but we failed to keep the upward trajectory. Lou Perkins was a crook but he saw where we needed to go and had us on the right path but his successor couldn't handle the job or wanted to sabotage the school because he was being forced out. So here we are....
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I'm not saying they should care, I just want Yormark to stop pulling our chain. How many times will this happen before some of our staff is fired
 
Bazz4A said:
95% of UConn fans do not care about football. The fact we average 25,000 a game is proof of that, not proof a lot of the fanbase cares. For half the people that show up to the games, it’s a fun way to kill a Saturday afternoon in the fall with family and friends. It’s not to watch the product.
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I get a not-insignificant part of the fanbase is agnostic or even outright dismissive of football but it is nowhere near 95 freaking percent. 25-35 at most. And that number was less than half when we were beating Syracuse like a drum regularly.
 
Sea Goat said:
I understand your sentiment, but I submit that it's short sighted. Now we make bubkis in the BE. Unless BB is monetized akin to the CFP, the payouts for the BE will always suck. Ultimately, the the P-2 will dominate in BB because of the spin off financial benefits made possible by CFP. Already, Greg Sankey, SEC Commissioner, is eying dominance in hoops fueled by the SEC's huge $$ advantage driven by CFP.

We made $6.5mm from the BE in 2023. This was the same as Creighton. The lowest of the low in P-2 make 10x that amount. Are we are going to keep funding $38mm shortfalls in our athletic budget each year? We need a full service conference. Failure to find one will eventually destroy UConn sports as we know it...

(Notwithstanding Murphy 's uninformed comments to the contrary...)
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Chris "it's a subsidy, not a deficit" Murphy
 
Scrutiner said:
but his successor couldn't handle the job or wanted to sabotage the school because he was being forced out. So here we are....
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The correct answer is A. Hathaway an excellent No. 2 and a horrible No. 1. The athletic department ran on autopilot from 2003 to Jan. 1, 2011 as Hathaway clinically alienated everyone around him.
 
The University will not die or be left behind, especially the basketball programs. Football program? Could die.

Stop drinking the kool-aid and seek mental help, all of you. It’s honestly sad and embarrassing how each and every one of you line up to be played over and over. Learn and move on.
 
CTBasketball said:
The University will not die or be left behind, especially the basketball programs. Football program? Could die.

Stop drinking the kool-aid and seek mental help, all of you. It’s honestly sad and embarrassing how each and every one of you line up to be played over and over. Learn and move on.
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I think it's disingenuous and frankly insulting to keep saying "seek mental health". We're passionate fans for our school. I didn't believe Yormark last year or this year. If it happened great, but being burned by the ACC the first time was all I needed to be skeptical of any other CR rumor. You seem so sure that basketball won't be left behind, and this is based on what, clarvoyance that our media and revenues will assuredly keep us afloat and able to compete in terms of coaching and players? Many of us don't share that confidence, and it naturally has us worried. There's no kool-aid to be had. We are fighting to stay associated with other big time unis that field competitive sports, and we're seemingly seeing the train is leaving the station. Moving on, in turn, means accepting our defeat and possible relegation to 2nd tier status.
 
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