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They’d just steal 6 or so schools from the ACC and B12 and break up into divisions and play an NFL style schedule, which is what will probably happen long term anyway. Forty or so schools and then everyone else in a lower division.
 
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pj said:
Isn't that what people have accused the B1G and SEC of wanting? A P2 that separates from everyone else?
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It is, but right now the B1G and SEC aren't playing fair because they believe that they hold the cards.

What I'm suggesting is that if the Big 12 was smart, they should work with all of the conferences except the big two and force the big two into a more fair environment.

The BiG and SEC need the group of 5.
 
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B1GEast said:
They can't play themselves. If you form a league and set the rules, you could force them play by your rules.
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If P2 has 40 teams why could they not play all their games among themselves? The NFL is only 32 teams.
 
JwittersPAC said:
If P2 has 40 teams why could they not play all their games among themselves? The NFL is only 32 teams.
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Because it's boring. Yes they can play amongst themselves, but is that the spirit of college football?

Basically that's what they want the CFP to be, so let them have it
 
B1GEast said:
Because it's boring. Yes they can play amongst themselves, but is that the spirit of college football?
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The original spirit of college sports is long since gone from Division 1; and probably everywhere above D3.
 
ScottVib said:
The original spirit of college sports is long since gone from Division 1; and probably everywhere above D3.
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You're right, but I still think my suggestion would benefit all non SEC and B1G conference.

Those 2 have ruined college sports
 
B1GEast said:
You're right, but I still think my suggestion would benefit all non SEC and B1G conference.

Those 2 have ruined college sports
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Watching the CFP games tonight JMU and Tulane are just so over matched. I like to see the underdogs compete but these teams do not have a chance.
 
JwittersPAC said:
Watching the CFP games tonight JMU and Tulane are just so over matched. I like to see the underdogs compete but these teams do not have a chance.
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Their performance, though underwhelming, doesn't mean they don't deserve a shot.

They played by the rules. Don't buy the narrative that they shouldn't have been allowed to complete. That's exactly what they B1G and SEC want people to agree with so they can get more of their teams in

Right now college football isn't a fair system. It won't be fair anytime soon, but we shouldn't expand the CFP to appease the bigger conference, we should stand by the existing rules and continue to allow the group of 5 access to CFP bowl games.

I hate it, it sucks for competition but you have to give all conference a shot.

I remember when that little team Boise State embarrassed Oklahoma in the Fiesta bowl. That's what it's all about,
 
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JwittersPAC said:
Watching the CFP games tonight JMU and Tulane are just so over matched. I like to see the underdogs compete but these teams do not have a chance.
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I mean yeah when the system of NIL and penalty-free transferring is completely stacked against them, as is the coaching carousel whenever they have one good year, it's IMPOSSIBLE to build the stability needed for success. Especially when one of the INSANELY MANY apparent requirements for consideration for a G5 if it were not for autobids is multiple perfect seasons in a row.
 
B1GEast said:
Because it's boring. Yes they can play amongst themselves, but is that the spirit of college football?

Basically that's what they want the CFP to be, so let them have it
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If the SEC and B1G wanted to be cut throat they could just decide to only play each other in all sports, including having their own championship tournaments for all sports. Basically cut everyone else out except for the SEC and B1G. It would be an interesting to see how things would shake out it that were to occur.
 
CTBballfan243 said:
If the SEC and B1G wanted to be cut throat they could just decide to only play each other in all sports, including having their own championship tournaments for all sports. Basically cut everyone else out except for the SEC and B1G. It would be an interesting to see how things would shake out it that were to occur.
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The idea that the SEC and Big Ten should wall themselves off sounds interesting, but it confuses what actually makes college football valuable in the first place.

This type of exclusion shrinks the product. Rivalries, different styles of play and cross conference matchups are differentiators in college football.

A B1G vs SEC only conference would become repetitive and boring and I think lead to fan fatigue.

They would in effect cannibalize their own conference . What feels top tier would eventually turn into the same brands playing each other every year. Basically they would be saturating their product

Boring!

The appeal of college football is underdogs, regional pride, unpredictable runs, and the outsider crashing the party. College football is special because every season leaves room for chaos.
 
B1GEast said:
The appeal of college football is underdogs, regional pride, unpredictable runs, and the outsider crashing the party. College football is special because every season leaves room for chaos
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Of course, the appeal of college football was also the student athlete myth, regional rivalries, watching kids develop for four years and watching relatively few high value bowl games. The powers that be have managed to gut all of those things. I have zero confidence that they won't continue to undermine the few compelling things that are left in the pursuit of profit.
 
CL82 said:
Of course, the appeal of college football was also the student athlete myth, regional rivalries, watching kids develop for four years and watching relatively few high value bowl games. The powers that be have managed to gut all of those things. I have zero confidence that they won't continue to undermine the few compelling things that are left in the pursuit of profit.
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A professional product that locks out a huge percentage of its participants and fans with inferior athletes to the NFL and NBA? Hard pass. I understand that the P2 wants to use its leverage in the existing system just like the Dodgers do, but to separate and change the fanbase and sport completely is a huge risk. So many fans won’t be coming along.
 
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Rdkid said:
A professional product that locks out a huge percentage of its participants and fans with inferior athletes to the NFL and NBA? Hard pass. I understand that the P2 wants to use its leverage in the existing system just like the Dodgers do, but to separate and change the fanbase and sport completely is a huge risk. So many fans won’t be coming along.
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Good analogy with the Dodgers, cheating the system by deferring payroll
 
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Ha Who said:
Good analogy with the Dodgers, cheating the system by deferring payroll
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As a Dodgers fan, that's just not true. Salary deferral is part of player union agreement with the owners. If teams dont like the rules, they should change it.

Shohei Ohtani is able to defer because he doesn't need the money. The guy gets over $100M endowment money per year, and is by far the highest by a long mile among all the MLB players.

My only wish is he is an Uconn alum but he isn't 😭
 
WestCoastHusky said:
As a Dodgers fan, that's just not true. Salary deferral is part of player union agreement with the owners. If teams dont like the rules, they should change it.

Shohei Ohtani is able to defer because he doesn't need the money. The guy gets over $100M endowment money per year, and is by far the highest by a long mile among all the MLB players.

My only wish is he is an Uconn alum but he isn't 😭
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Hopefully you get the Bobby Bonilla impact for circumventing the intent of the salary cap
 
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