Big 12 expansion - maybe not.

[huskypantz]

That's a great article, short and concise. The point of the article is that the Big 10 needs to invite Texas and Oklahoma. The last sentence:
"The last wave of Big Ten expansion helped bring the conference to the East Coast and those major television markets. Now it’s time for the Big Ten to strengthen the league on the gridiron."

It makes me think we should be rooting hard for the Buckeyes.

 

[Seaa Blue]

It makes me think we should be rooting hard for the Buckeyes.

Never make a deal with the devil...

Thing is, I think there would need to be a soft landing for the rest of the Big 12 before the leaders of the Big 10 would have a hand in breaking it apart.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Never make a deal with the devil...

Thing is, I think there would need to be a soft landing for the rest of the Big 12 before the leaders of the Big 10 would have a hand in breaking it apart.

Compassionate CR ,now there is a oxymoron.

 

[buddy]

Great, we're headed onward and upward in B1G ways.

I don't see the name of UConn mentioned in this article so I don't know where you come up with this based on the article. I hope your statement comes true. However, if Texas and Oklahoma were to go to the B1G and the B12 then needed to add 4 teams, then UConn to the B12 would be a possibility.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

I don't see the name of UConn mentioned in this article so I don't know where you come up with this based on the article.

Don't ever let anyone accuse you of being one of the sharpest knifes in the set. I jest, but ...

 

[Seaa Blue]

Compassionate CR ,now there is a oxymoron.

SEC took 2 Big 12 schools when it looked like the conference might cave. On the other hand, Mizzou had been begging to join the Big Ten, but only Nebraska got the nod.

My little theory serves UConn well.

But then there's the "contiguous, AAU, has red in the school colors part"...

 

[Kolumbo]

I don't see the name of UConn mentioned in this article so I don't know where you come up with this based on the article. I hope your statement comes true. However, if Texas and Oklahoma were to go to the B1G and the B12 then needed to add 4 teams, then UConn to the B12 would be a possibility.

If Texas and Oklahoma bolted, the Big 12 disintegrates and the scraps are scrambling. It would certainly not be a Power conference whether they invited some AAC and MWC programs or vice-versa. The rest of that conference is playing with fire.

 

[Marty Jackson]

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From Buckeye Banter: http://buckeyebanter.com/?p=30436

could also mean, the list would be more impressive if uconn were on it.

 

[B1GEast]

It would be tough for any conference to add Texas, they want to be the big fish.

 

[pj]

It would be tough for any conference to add Texas, they want to be the big fish.

Texas now gets about $40 mn per year from B12 + Longhorn network. That's not going up. B1G and SEC will soon both be matching or exceeding that. Texas won't like having Texas A&M in their own state out-earning them. They will consider their options. Equality at the top level of college athletics might be more attractive to them than being top dog in a second-tier conference, especially if that is unstable -- and it is, having lost Colorado, Texas, Missouri, and A&M already, and Kansas and Oklahoma next to leave.

Options they would explore: B1G, SEC, a B12-like deal with the Pac where they keep the LHN, or a Notre Dame like deal with the ACC.

 

[dayooper]

Texas now gets about $40 mn per year from B12 + Longhorn network. That's not going up. B1G and SEC will soon both be matching or exceeding that. Texas won't like having Texas A&M in their own state out-earning them. They will consider their options. Equality at the top level of college athletics might be more attractive to them than being top dog in a second-tier conference, especially if that is unstable -- and it is, having lost Colorado, Texas, Missouri, and A&M already, and Kansas and Oklahoma next to leave.

Options they would explore: B1G, SEC, a B12-like deal with the Pac where they keep the LHN, or a Notre Dame like deal with the ACC.

Why can't they keep the LHN and go to The Big10?

 

[upstater]

Why can't they keep the LHN and go to The Big10?

The B1G is going to cut them a special deal? How's that going to fly with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State? I'm sure all 3 schools would love to keep more of their TV rights than share them with the likes of Rutgers.

 

[pj]

Why can't they keep the LHN and go to The Big10?

Our B1G guests keep saying how one of the great things of the B1G is that it is equal, all-for-one, one-for all, and they wouldn't compromise that culture the way the ACC gave Notre Dame a special deal. I'm just taking your peers at their word.

 

[Marty Jackson]

The B1G is going to cut them a special deal? How's that going to fly with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State? I'm sure all 3 schools would love to keep more of their TV rights than share them with the likes of Rutgers.

wonder if the 'big fish' taking more of the conference funds is the next step in CR. Greed/Money seems to trump all else in CFB

 

[Seaa Blue]

Why can't they keep the LHN and go to The Big10?

You're talking "let's make a deal, right"? As in, BTN and LHN share content, with ESPN remaining a partner and being satisfied with the result?

 

[Seaa Blue]

The B1G is going to cut them a special deal? How's that going to fly with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State? I'm sure all 3 schools would love to keep more of their TV rights than share them with the likes of Rutgers.

With the Big Ten about to make a cash haul the LHN money doesn't seem as big of a deal now. I suppose Texas could get very creative and make some concessions while still taking in a little more money without the Big Ten "freaking out". I'll leave that to @dayooper as to what the arrangement might be because I still see it as a deal breaker with the Big Ten.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

SEC took 2 Big 12 schools when it looked like the conference might cave. On the other hand, Mizzou had been begging to join the Big Ten, but only Nebraska got the nod.

My little theory serves UConn well.

But then there's the "contiguous, AAU, has red in the school colors part"...

Exercising compassion would be taking K-state ,and Iowa State
Planting a flag in Texas,and taking the flagship school of a large boarding state strikes me as good business.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

If Texas and Oklahoma bolted, the Big 12 disintegrates and the scraps are scrambling. It would certainly not be a Power conference whether they invited some AAC and MWC programs or vice-versa. The rest of that conference is playing with fire.

The Big 12 disintegrating would be a godsend for us. A conference of B12 scraps (ISU, Baylor, KU, KState, WVU, TCU?) plus a few AACs, us, Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, and one or two more would be a significant improvement over where we are now.

I still remember back to when the Pac almost raided the B12, everyone wanted it to not happen - that would've been GREAT for the Big East - it likely would still be alive today, as TCU, KU, KState, and Baylor would've joined. It's well-written that Dunce Cap Marinara had advanced discussions with those schools to join the Big East if the B12 dissolved. That would've been a great day for us if those six schools went to the Pac.

 

[dayooper]

The B1G is going to cut them a special deal? How's that going to fly with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State? I'm sure all 3 schools would love to keep more of their TV rights than share them with the likes of Rutgers.

Our B1G guests keep saying how one of the great things of the B1G is that it is equal, all-for-one, one-for all, and they wouldn't compromise that culture the way the ACC gave Notre Dame a special deal. I'm just taking your peers at their word.

Here's the question, would the Big10 want to have Texas' football games in the new contract? The only way that will happen is if there is some sort of deal that allows for The LHN to exist along with the BTN. Do you really think The Big10 would let the state of Texas go because Texas can't deliver their tier 3 content? If everything that had been said about the upcoming contract I'd true, than Texas/Oklahoma would be worth a fortune. Passing up on that cash along with the idea that The Big10/CiC could bring in another Public Ivy is something that Delaney and The Big10 Presidents might have a hard time passing up.

Take out The BTN money from the contract and let Texas stand on their own. The deal would make both parties more money than without. You still get all but one of Texas' home football games, and that could be a non conference game anyway. Michigan, Ohio State, PSU, and any other school couldn't get what Texas has. The money isn't there.

Will it happen? Pretty sure it won't. Don't discount possibilities when this much money and security is at stake.

 

[Stinger92860]

Which school is the public ivy you write of?

 

[dayooper]

Which school is the public ivy you write of?

Texas

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[pj]

With the Big Ten about to make a cash haul the LHN money doesn't seem as big of a deal now. I suppose Texas could get very creative and make some concessions while still taking in a little more money without the Big Ten "freaking out". I'll leave that to @dayooper as to what the arrangement might be because I still see it as a deal breaker with the Big Ten.

I suppose the arrangement would have to be: A new entity is created, BTN-Texas, that is a standalone subsidiary of BTN. It merges with LHN and is the exclusive distributor of BTN and UTexas content within the state of Texas. It may be owned 50% by BTN and 50% by LHN owners UT&ESPN (choose the proportions). BTN outside of Texas gets to show Texas and B1G content whenever it wants and BTN-Texas gets to show Texas and B1G content whenever it wants, but the feeds are different so BTN-Texas can show UT games while BTN shows Ohio State or whatever.

 

[Stinger92860]

I guess UConn must be right there with the lower tier of public Ivy's.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

 

[huskymedic]

dennisdoddcbs 5:16pm via TweetDeck
Bowlsby reiterates no equity partners that fit B12 for expansion. Talking to u Memphis, UConn, Cincy, BYU, USF, UCF.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ould-consider-co-champions-after-playoff-snub

>>Bowlsby reiterated there is no partner(s) for Big 12 expansion that make sense at the moment. The most mentioned candidates – Cincinnati, Connecticut, Memphis, BYU, South Florida, Central Florida – do not bring the equity to the table that matches the annual Big 12 per-school payout from the media contracts -- $22 million.

"That's right," he said. "Even more than that -- it's academic, it's competitiveness, it's geography, it's scope of program …<<

 

[upstater]

"That's right," he said. "Even more than that -- it's academic, it's competitiveness, it's geography, it's scope of program …<<

We have entered George Costanza bizarro world. When your champ Baylor loses to one of those schools in football, when one of those schools wins the national championship in basketball, when some of those schools are much better academically than yours, when they have bigger athletic programs than the vast majority of your schools, when they have better markets than the majority of your schools, you are showing that you are basically an idiot.

Well, at least he can fall back on geography.

 

[SubbaBub]

Bowlsby apparently can't do multiplication. CT would absolutely broker an instate cable deal that would result in $25-30M a year to get UConn's games in CT 1 Million+ homes to the channel that carries them.

 

[bobbyinaz]

Bowlsby apparently can't do multiplication. CT would absolutely broker an instate cable deal that would result in $25-30M a year to get UConn's games in CT 1 Million+ homes to the channel that carries them.

Huh? The B12 games are already on ESPN & FOX. There is no B12 network to broker any deals with. Unless you think UConn can make a side deal with Texas & demand that the LHN be made available on basic cable throughout CT there is no cable deal to be brokered

 

[itgoeslike]

We have entered George Costanza bizarro world. When your champ Baylor loses to one of those schools in football, when one of those schools wins the national championship in basketball, when some of those schools are much better academically than yours, when they have bigger athletic programs than the vast majority of your schools, when they have better markets than the majority of your schools, you are showing that you are basically an idiot.

Well, at least he can fall back on geography.

He is an idiot. Consider that UConn won as many, or more, national titles last year than the entire membership of the Big 12 Conference. . .

 

[SubbaBub]

Huh? The B12 games are already on ESPN & FOX. There is no B12 network to broker any deals with. Unless you think UConn can make a side deal with Texas & demand that the LHN be made available on basic cable throughout CT there is no cable deal to be brokered

The deal would be a minimal participation of UCONN in the national cable deal but allow UConn to market it's an agreed number tier 3 games (most of them) to a channel like SNY. The state then makes the channel and the fee a requirement for a cable TV license in the State and funnel the money to UConn. Done.

 

[Hoophound]

The deal would be a minimal participation of UCONN in the national cable deal but allow UConn to market it's an agreed number tier 3 games (most of them) to a channel like SNY. The state then makes the channel and the fee a requirement for a cable TV license in the State and funnel the money to UConn. Done.

I don't know if it is that simple but you seem to have some knowledge of how it works. If you are right, we are probably the only school that can pull something like that off.

If I'm UConn, I publicly rebut Bowlsby's statement and toot my horn a little bit.