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Big 12 and ACC are fumbling with their expansion apprehensiveness? They will become 2nd class BBall citizens as well if they continue.

cellocgg said:
can someone spoil it for me, is UConn mentioned at all
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No, but the scenario he's describing -- private equity brokers a third superconference out of the B12, ACC, and any other valuable schools such as UConn, with school-specific distributions so that every school gets its value, and local rivalries are restored (he mentions Louisville-Cincinnati and West Virginia-Virginia) -- is one that would surely have UConn be part of the third conference. I can't see how you extract athletic value out of the northeast without UConn. It would have to include at least 10 ACC schools because that's needed to dissolve the conference and break the GOR. So it would have a big east coast presence. This would probably be the best possible outcome for UConn.
 
According to Flugaur, in early Spring, around March 21, there is going to be a meeting of Big 12 schools and ACC schools similar to the Super League meeting that was held in Dallas. Big 12 leadership is going to push the meeting. Some ACC schools will be there. They want some decisions made by the end of the year if they are going to incorporate private equity. There are proponents in the ACC and Big 12 who want to push it. There are a handful of schools that want this (they are not all in the same conference). Some schools are not interested. Yormark has not been able to get all schools on board. The meeting is not sponsored by Yormark or Phillips; it is the institutions in the conference. Big money will be at the meeting. Flugaur did not mention UConn, but in the past he has talked about UConn being a part of the Big 12's private equity plans.

 
nelsonmuntz said:
Nothing in this post has anything to do with why any expansion decision has ever been made.
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Nor does the idea that two complete leagues would merge. I don’t think that has ever happened. It has always been about selecting teams that add value or at least are percieved to add value. The Stanford/Cal to the ACC might be the lone question in that regard. But why would you bring in Seton Hall if you can get UConn, Villanova and St Johns? Or PC when you have UConn and BC? And DePaul? The idea that they matter in Chicago is just not true. They haven’t mattered for 25 years. They are at best #3 behind Illinois, and Notre Dame. Maybe #4 or #5.
Im skeptical of the whole idea of hoop only members in ACC, but if it happened it would be UConn for all sports, Villanova and Georgetown, and maybe St Johns Or Marquette or Xavier If Notre Dame wanted a midwest “partner”.
 
freescooter said:
Nor does the idea that two complete leagues would merge. I don’t think that has ever happened. It has always been about selecting teams that add value or at least are percieved to add value. The Stanford/Cal to the ACC might be the lone question in that regard. But why would you bring in Seton Hall if you can get UConn, Villanova and St Johns? Or PC when you have UConn and BC? And DePaul? The idea that they matter in Chicago is just not true. They haven’t mattered for 25 years. They are at best #3 behind Illinois, and Notre Dame. Maybe #4 or #5.
Im skeptical of the whole idea of hoop only members in ACC, but if it happened it would be UConn for all sports, Villanova and Georgetown, and maybe St Johns Or Marquette or Xavier If Notre Dame wanted a midwest “partner”.
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The idea that the Big 12 needed two schools in a state like Utah was idiotic, but it happened. Or two schools in Arizona, Kansas, or the #2 schools in Oklahoma, Ohio and Iowa, or a commuter school in Orlando. Those were all bad ideas, yet that league is considered a major conference, at least for now.

We all get that you hate the Big East. If you have a magical path to SEC membership, please close your browser and call the UConn Athletic Department immediately. Otherwise, give the Big East hate a rest. You do not know anything about our conference situation that at least 50% of this board hasn't figured out. The difference is that everyone else doesn't feel the need to complain about it in every post.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The idea that the Big 12 needed two schools in a state like Utah was idiotic, but it happened. Or two schools in Arizona, Kansas, or the #2 schools in Oklahoma, Ohio and Iowa, or a commuter school in Orlando. Those were all bad ideas, yet that league is considered a major conference, at least for now.

We all get that you hate the Big East. If you have a magical path to SEC membership, please close your browser and call the UConn Athletic Department immediately. Otherwise, give the Big East hate a rest. You do not know anything about our conference situation that at least 50% of this board hasn't figured out. The difference is that everyone else doesn't feel the need to complain about it in every post.
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You’re something. You say the ACC ought to merge with the Big East? I ask why when they could cherry pick the schools that add value rather than take the whole thing, mainly because the Big East has a few valuable properties but also a bunch of schools that wouldn’t add anything to the ACC. And I never said anything about the SEC. Not a thing. My gut is the SEC will eventually be #2 to the Big 10 for lots of reasons,so that would be my magic wand place, but in any case UConn isn’t going there. We might go to the ACC or the B12. In my view either would be preferable to the current situation. And you seem to have this idea that the ACC needs to add the likes of Seton Hall, DePaul and Butler to survive. I am skeptical that the ACC adds basketball only schools at all. If they do, I told you who I think it would be and why. I admit my analysis could be wrong. Explain to me the benefit of adding 11 new members, 10 of whom don’t play football at the FBS level, when you can add 4-5 who bring the most upside? Plus you have the side benefit of ending once and for all the completion from the New Big East for eyeballs and players.

And for what it’s worth, I don’t hate the Big East. I hate that UConn is stuck there with a bunch of suitcase colleges who either used to be or never were major players. Without UConn it is a nice regional league. High mid-major. We are a major national university with 3 decades of success in multiple sports. Only Georgetown is at our level, actually above our level academically, and they don’t much care about athletic success at this point. If the Ivy League ever called ( it won’t) they’d leave in the middle of a game if that was the requirement. As for the rest, maybe Villanova bounces back, maybe they go the way of Georgetown. The rest are nothing special.
 
Kolumbo said:
Georgetown and Villanova are the 2 basketball only programs which would make sense for the ACC. Both wealthy and excellent academics, if academic still matter. And potential markets.
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I think you’re dreaming. It has to be unanimous, and that isn’t happening.
 
freescooter said:
You’re something. You say the ACC ought to merge with the Big East? I ask why when they could cherry pick the schools that add value rather than take the whole thing, mainly because the Big East has a few valuable properties but also a bunch of schools that wouldn’t add anything to the ACC. And I never said anything about the SEC. Not a thing. My gut is the SEC will eventually be #2 to the Big 10 for lots of reasons,so that would be my magic wand place, but in any case UConn isn’t going there. We might go to the ACC or the B12. In my view either would be preferable to the current situation. And you seem to have this idea that the ACC needs to add the likes of Seton Hall, DePaul and Butler to survive. I am skeptical that the ACC adds basketball only schools at all. If they do, I told you who I think it would be and why. I admit my analysis could be wrong. Explain to me the benefit of adding 11 new members, 10 of whom don’t play football at the FBS level, when you can add 4-5 who bring the most upside? Plus you have the side benefit of ending once and for all the completion from the New Big East for eyeballs and players.

And for what it’s worth, I don’t hate the Big East. I hate that UConn is stuck there with a bunch of suitcase colleges who either used to be or never were major players. Without UConn it is a nice regional league. High mid-major. We are a major national university with 3 decades of success in multiple sports. Only Georgetown is at our level, actually above our level academically, and they don’t much care about athletic success at this point. If the Ivy League ever called ( it won’t) they’d leave in the middle of a game if that was the requirement. As for the rest, maybe Villanova bounces back, maybe they go the way of Georgetown. The rest are nothing special.
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So you think UConn should rejoin the AAC? Because that is the alternative unless someone comes up with something creative.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What is your plan, again?
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My plan is, if you’re on a sinking ship, don’t pretend you’re not on a sinking ship, and if you see the lights of a huge ship just 10 miles away don’t wait for it to come and rescue you, just find a lifeboat fast.:rolleyes:
 
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CONN78SEJ said:
My plan is, if you’re on a sinking ship, don’t pretend you’re not on a sinking ship, and if you see the lights of a huge ship just 10 miles away don’t wait for it to come and rescue you, just find a lifeboat fast.:rolleyes:
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So you want to go to the AAC. Thanks for playing.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
So you think UConn should rejoin the AAC? Because that is the alternative unless someone comes up with something creative.
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Said nobody. And yours is the Big East merge with the ACC. That’s creative?
 
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CONN78SEJ said:
I think you’re dreaming. It has to be unanimous, and that isn’t happening.
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I said Georgetown and Nova would make sense for the ACC and given the ACC's history of course it won't happen. The Big 12 Commissioner sees the value in basketball. Apparently the ACC commish remarkably does not. The ACC is trying to compete in a game it can't win. The P2 cartel has been established. Making bold moves would make a difference but adding Cal and Stanford was not bold.
 
uconn_jack said:
I do wonder if the Big East fears the writing on the wall enough to go back into a hybrid football/basketball conference again if an ACC/BE merger were explored. Strategically, content, and media-wise, it could be a great product, but not sure how you fairly sell and distribute the media deal and keep the basketball only schools happy. As others have said, selling/negotiating football and basketball separately wouldn't work. There would have to be something in the conference merger agreement that guaranteed the basketball only schools a certain piece of the pie regardless of the media deal. I just don't see the football first schools agreeing to something like that.
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I've always thought about the Big East returning to FB, UConn and maybe Villanova in a couple years wouldn't be a bad start but schools like Butler and Georgetown are far from ready, Big East could immediately establish itself as a better and more ideal brand than a MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt, I could see Buffalo, Delaware, UMass, and maybe a couple Sun Belt school like JMU and Marshall seeing interest in joining, but idrk where do you go from there, I don't see interest from Temple, Navy, Army, basketball minded school like Memphis maybe might consider it more, but overall I think you're looking at what the Pac 12 is doing right now as the absolute best case scenario, until a potential collapse of the ACC
 
Kolumbo said:
I said Georgetown and Nova would make sense for the ACC and given the ACC's history of course it won't happen. The Big 12 Commissioner sees the value in basketball. Apparently the ACC commish remarkably does not. The ACC is trying to compete in a game it can't win. The P2 cartel has been established. Making bold moves would make a difference but adding Cal and Stanford was not bold.
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I hear what you are saying but (and it’s a big but), FBS football must also be part of the equation, and with Georgetown and Villanova it just isn’t. The Big 12 commish does see the value in basketball with almost 20 championship banners hanging from the ceiling, but he also sees the value in Coach Mora, Rentschler Field, and whatever future projects UConn Athletics and the UConn BOT’s sees fit.
 
freescooter said:
Said nobody. And yours is the Big East merge with the ACC. That’s creative?
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You complain endlessly about the Big East, which means that you must want UConn back in the AAC. Those are the two choices.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
I hear what you are saying but (and it’s a big but), FBS football must also be part of the equation, and with Georgetown and Villanova it just isn’t. The Big 12 commish does see the value in basketball with almost 20 championship banners hanging from the ceiling, but he also sees the value in Coach Mora, Rentschler Field, and whatever future projects UConn Athletics and the UConn BOT’s sees fit.
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Why must FBS football be part of the equation. Have you followed anything that has happened in conference realignment?
 
Stray_Dog said:
My brain hurts reading this response
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Everyone's brain is tired of the endless bashing by the Big East haters without taking ownership of the fact that being anti-UConn in the Big East means you are pro UConn in the AAC. Those are the two choices.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Everyone's brain is tired of the endless bashing by the Big East haters without taking ownership of the fact that being anti-UConn in the Big East means you are pro UConn in the AAC. Those are the two choices.
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Your long term goal is to turn UConn into Seton Hall North. We heard you the first time.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Everyone's brain is tired of the endless bashing by the Big East haters without taking ownership of the fact that being anti-UConn in the Big East means you are pro UConn in the AAC. Those are the two choices.
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Wow, you are the anti-Tylenol medicine! According to you there are but two choices. Funny, I have heard this in a court-room where you are either innocent or guilty and yet the court may decide to drop a case - you are neither guilty or innocent. They may have a mistrial and again - oh yea free to go and they start the prosecution over or not. They may find you guilty but of a lesser charge. They may find you in contempt - I know I think this about you! - the number of likes I will guess will be those who feel the same and the number of dislikes simply don't like the tone of my post or feel I am wrong. And then there is this point about arguments -"There is your side, their side, and the truth". Guess which side you left out???
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Why must FBS football be part of the equation. Have you followed anything that has happened in conference realignment?
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Yes, I have. I do recall Brett Yormark spending several days in Storrs and meeting with athletic dept people and others. I’m also sure he tuned in to UConn winning it’s bowl game.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Everyone's brain is tired of the endless bashing by the Big East haters without taking ownership of the fact that being anti-UConn in the Big East means you are pro UConn in the AAC. Those are the two choices.
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:rolleyes:
 
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