Big 12 and ACC are fumbling with their expansion apprehensiveness? They will become 2nd class BBall citizens as well if they continue.

[Kolumbo]

The ACC wouldn’t touch the Big East, as football is not played in the conference. Except for UConn most Big East schools are incredibly cash strapped. It’s basically a basketball only conference, not being able to properly fund other sports, for men and women. Thirdly the academic health of the Big East is on life support.

Georgetown and Villanova are the 2 basketball only programs which would make sense for the ACC. Both wealthy and excellent academics, if academic still matter. And potential markets.

 

[freescooter]

And the advantage of merging with the Big East would be exactly what? Add UConn and Marquette and a bunch of eh programs? If you felt the need to do that, why not just cherry pick the schools that bring something to the table? The ACC doesn’t need the likes of Seton Hall and DePaul. It has BC and Syracuse.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

Couz explains about potential for new private equity-based conference

 

[nelsonmuntz]

And the advantage of merging with the Big East would be exactly what? Add UConn and Marquette and a bunch of eh programs? If you felt the need to do that, why not just cherry pick the schools that bring something to the table? The ACC doesn’t need the likes of Seton Hall and DePaul. It has BC and Syracuse.

Nothing in this post has anything to do with why any expansion decision has ever been made.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I do wonder if the Big East fears the writing on the wall enough to go back into a hybrid football/basketball conference again if an ACC/BE merger were explored. Strategically, content, and media-wise, it could be a great product, but not sure how you fairly sell and distribute the media deal and keep the basketball only schools happy. As others have said, selling/negotiating football and basketball separately wouldn't work. There would have to be something in the conference merger agreement that guaranteed the basketball only schools a certain piece of the pie regardless of the media deal. I just don't see the football first schools agreeing to something like that.

If the Big 12, ACC and Big East, and Big 10 for that matter, are not panicking a little and getting very creative, they are making a fatal mistake.

The SEC could add USC, Oregon, Ohio State and Michigan, and it would be the P1.

 

[cellocgg]

Couz explains about potential for new private equity-based conference

can someone spoil it for me, is UConn mentioned at all

 

[LoyalFanCT]

can someone spoil it for me, is UConn mentioned at all

No but it is sure mentioned here. UConn fans need to view this one.

 

[pj]

can someone spoil it for me, is UConn mentioned at all

No, but the scenario he's describing -- private equity brokers a third superconference out of the B12, ACC, and any other valuable schools such as UConn, with school-specific distributions so that every school gets its value, and local rivalries are restored (he mentions Louisville-Cincinnati and West Virginia-Virginia) -- is one that would surely have UConn be part of the third conference. I can't see how you extract athletic value out of the northeast without UConn. It would have to include at least 10 ACC schools because that's needed to dissolve the conference and break the GOR. So it would have a big east coast presence. This would probably be the best possible outcome for UConn.

 

[jostar1]

According to Flugaur, in early Spring, around March 21, there is going to be a meeting of Big 12 schools and ACC schools similar to the Super League meeting that was held in Dallas. Big 12 leadership is going to push the meeting. Some ACC schools will be there. They want some decisions made by the end of the year if they are going to incorporate private equity. There are proponents in the ACC and Big 12 who want to push it. There are a handful of schools that want this (they are not all in the same conference). Some schools are not interested. Yormark has not been able to get all schools on board. The meeting is not sponsored by Yormark or Phillips; it is the institutions in the conference. Big money will be at the meeting. Flugaur did not mention UConn, but in the past he has talked about UConn being a part of the Big 12's private equity plans.

 

[freescooter]

Nothing in this post has anything to do with why any expansion decision has ever been made.

Nor does the idea that two complete leagues would merge. I don’t think that has ever happened. It has always been about selecting teams that add value or at least are percieved to add value. The Stanford/Cal to the ACC might be the lone question in that regard. But why would you bring in Seton Hall if you can get UConn, Villanova and St Johns? Or PC when you have UConn and BC? And DePaul? The idea that they matter in Chicago is just not true. They haven’t mattered for 25 years. They are at best #3 behind Illinois, and Notre Dame. Maybe #4 or #5.
Im skeptical of the whole idea of hoop only members in ACC, but if it happened it would be UConn for all sports, Villanova and Georgetown, and maybe St Johns Or Marquette or Xavier If Notre Dame wanted a midwest “partner”.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Nor does the idea that two complete leagues would merge. I don’t think that has ever happened. It has always been about selecting teams that add value or at least are percieved to add value. The Stanford/Cal to the ACC might be the lone question in that regard. But why would you bring in Seton Hall if you can get UConn, Villanova and St Johns? Or PC when you have UConn and BC? And DePaul? The idea that they matter in Chicago is just not true. They haven’t mattered for 25 years. They are at best #3 behind Illinois, and Notre Dame. Maybe #4 or #5.
Im skeptical of the whole idea of hoop only members in ACC, but if it happened it would be UConn for all sports, Villanova and Georgetown, and maybe St Johns Or Marquette or Xavier If Notre Dame wanted a midwest “partner”.

The idea that the Big 12 needed two schools in a state like Utah was idiotic, but it happened. Or two schools in Arizona, Kansas, or the #2 schools in Oklahoma, Ohio and Iowa, or a commuter school in Orlando. Those were all bad ideas, yet that league is considered a major conference, at least for now.

We all get that you hate the Big East. If you have a magical path to SEC membership, please close your browser and call the UConn Athletic Department immediately. Otherwise, give the Big East hate a rest. You do not know anything about our conference situation that at least 50% of this board hasn't figured out. The difference is that everyone else doesn't feel the need to complain about it in every post.

 

[freescooter]

The idea that the Big 12 needed two schools in a state like Utah was idiotic, but it happened. Or two schools in Arizona, Kansas, or the #2 schools in Oklahoma, Ohio and Iowa, or a commuter school in Orlando. Those were all bad ideas, yet that league is considered a major conference, at least for now.

We all get that you hate the Big East. If you have a magical path to SEC membership, please close your browser and call the UConn Athletic Department immediately. Otherwise, give the Big East hate a rest. You do not know anything about our conference situation that at least 50% of this board hasn't figured out. The difference is that everyone else doesn't feel the need to complain about it in every post.

You’re something. You say the ACC ought to merge with the Big East? I ask why when they could cherry pick the schools that add value rather than take the whole thing, mainly because the Big East has a few valuable properties but also a bunch of schools that wouldn’t add anything to the ACC. And I never said anything about the SEC. Not a thing. My gut is the SEC will eventually be #2 to the Big 10 for lots of reasons,so that would be my magic wand place, but in any case UConn isn’t going there. We might go to the ACC or the B12. In my view either would be preferable to the current situation. And you seem to have this idea that the ACC needs to add the likes of Seton Hall, DePaul and Butler to survive. I am skeptical that the ACC adds basketball only schools at all. If they do, I told you who I think it would be and why. I admit my analysis could be wrong. Explain to me the benefit of adding 11 new members, 10 of whom don’t play football at the FBS level, when you can add 4-5 who bring the most upside? Plus you have the side benefit of ending once and for all the completion from the New Big East for eyeballs and players.

And for what it’s worth, I don’t hate the Big East. I hate that UConn is stuck there with a bunch of suitcase colleges who either used to be or never were major players. Without UConn it is a nice regional league. High mid-major. We are a major national university with 3 decades of success in multiple sports. Only Georgetown is at our level, actually above our level academically, and they don’t much care about athletic success at this point. If the Ivy League ever called ( it won’t) they’d leave in the middle of a game if that was the requirement. As for the rest, maybe Villanova bounces back, maybe they go the way of Georgetown. The rest are nothing special.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

Georgetown and Villanova are the 2 basketball only programs which would make sense for the ACC. Both wealthy and excellent academics, if academic still matter. And potential markets.

I think you’re dreaming. It has to be unanimous, and that isn’t happening.

 

[Hoophound]

Why dont any of these guys understand that we’d be on par financially with a P4 payout? They act like we couldn’t spend like WVU for a coach. With the payout we can. Wtf is complicated about figuring this out?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You’re something. You say the ACC ought to merge with the Big East? I ask why when they could cherry pick the schools that add value rather than take the whole thing, mainly because the Big East has a few valuable properties but also a bunch of schools that wouldn’t add anything to the ACC. And I never said anything about the SEC. Not a thing. My gut is the SEC will eventually be #2 to the Big 10 for lots of reasons,so that would be my magic wand place, but in any case UConn isn’t going there. We might go to the ACC or the B12. In my view either would be preferable to the current situation. And you seem to have this idea that the ACC needs to add the likes of Seton Hall, DePaul and Butler to survive. I am skeptical that the ACC adds basketball only schools at all. If they do, I told you who I think it would be and why. I admit my analysis could be wrong. Explain to me the benefit of adding 11 new members, 10 of whom don’t play football at the FBS level, when you can add 4-5 who bring the most upside? Plus you have the side benefit of ending once and for all the completion from the New Big East for eyeballs and players.

And for what it’s worth, I don’t hate the Big East. I hate that UConn is stuck there with a bunch of suitcase colleges who either used to be or never were major players. Without UConn it is a nice regional league. High mid-major. We are a major national university with 3 decades of success in multiple sports. Only Georgetown is at our level, actually above our level academically, and they don’t much care about athletic success at this point. If the Ivy League ever called ( it won’t) they’d leave in the middle of a game if that was the requirement. As for the rest, maybe Villanova bounces back, maybe they go the way of Georgetown. The rest are nothing special.

So you think UConn should rejoin the AAC? Because that is the alternative unless someone comes up with something creative.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think you’re dreaming. It has to be unanimous, and that isn’t happening.

What is your plan, again?

 

[CONN78SEJ]

What is your plan, again?

My plan is, if you’re on a sinking ship, don’t pretend you’re not on a sinking ship, and if you see the lights of a huge ship just 10 miles away don’t wait for it to come and rescue you, just find a lifeboat fast.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

My plan is, if you’re on a sinking ship, don’t pretend you’re not on a sinking ship, and if you see the lights of a huge ship just 10 miles away don’t wait for it to come and rescue you, just find a lifeboat fast.

So you want to go to the AAC. Thanks for playing.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

So you want to go to the AAC. Thanks for playing.

Happy New Year

 

[Stray_Dog]

So you think UConn should rejoin the AAC? Because that is the alternative unless someone comes up with something creative.

My brain hurts reading this response

 

[Patman]

My brain hurts reading this response

He hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest...

 

[freescooter]

So you think UConn should rejoin the AAC? Because that is the alternative unless someone comes up with something creative.

Said nobody. And yours is the Big East merge with the ACC. That’s creative?

 

[CONN78SEJ]

Said nobody. And yours is the Big East merge with the ACC. That’s creative?

….and Villanova football is going FBS, while Georgetown and St John’s are exploring football stadium designs.

 

[Kolumbo]

I think you’re dreaming. It has to be unanimous, and that isn’t happening.

I said Georgetown and Nova would make sense for the ACC and given the ACC's history of course it won't happen. The Big 12 Commissioner sees the value in basketball. Apparently the ACC commish remarkably does not. The ACC is trying to compete in a game it can't win. The P2 cartel has been established. Making bold moves would make a difference but adding Cal and Stanford was not bold.

 

[huskidork]

I do wonder if the Big East fears the writing on the wall enough to go back into a hybrid football/basketball conference again if an ACC/BE merger were explored. Strategically, content, and media-wise, it could be a great product, but not sure how you fairly sell and distribute the media deal and keep the basketball only schools happy. As others have said, selling/negotiating football and basketball separately wouldn't work. There would have to be something in the conference merger agreement that guaranteed the basketball only schools a certain piece of the pie regardless of the media deal. I just don't see the football first schools agreeing to something like that.

I've always thought about the Big East returning to FB, UConn and maybe Villanova in a couple years wouldn't be a bad start but schools like Butler and Georgetown are far from ready, Big East could immediately establish itself as a better and more ideal brand than a MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt, I could see Buffalo, Delaware, UMass, and maybe a couple Sun Belt school like JMU and Marshall seeing interest in joining, but idrk where do you go from there, I don't see interest from Temple, Navy, Army, basketball minded school like Memphis maybe might consider it more, but overall I think you're looking at what the Pac 12 is doing right now as the absolute best case scenario, until a potential collapse of the ACC