Apples to oranges in attendance figures. Gee, wonder what the average student body difference is between the 2 conferences.
Subtlety in arguments posted somehow evade your grasp.
Turgeon is the primary reason there is no fan base excitement; in fact, the end of the Gary Williams era wasn't much better. I know people there with season tickets; they aren't expecting anything like their best years - now a distant 10 years ago. Having said that, the B1G cannot ignore the poor poor performance of their EASTERN wing in Basketball; not is they are intending to go into MSG or Verizon with any excitement ... as they do. As currently stands, a Minnesota/Michigan State/Iowa/Michigan Semifinals night is OK at MSG; but, they have missed a big opportunity if they didn't sprinkle in East Coast rooting interest. And, we know Rutgers and Penn State and Maryland are not going to be good by 2017.
The Rent got a decent crowd for Stony Brook - deserving given our current state of the Program. The Maryland low turnout for Central CT is a far more complicated discussion. Further, it's crazy to think a Michigan State and Michigan and Ohio State lineup has the hoop appeal for the Maryland Terp fan base as did the ACC; and the RAC? I don't think they will have Georgetown & Pitt & BC & SU & UConn & Seton Hall & St. John's & Villanova line like they did. None of us ever will again ...unfortunately.
If the B1G ever added Kansas and UConn, the ACC would cement its status as the biggest bunch of blowhards in all of sports. The B1G would be far and away the better BB conference.
UConn, Michigan St, Indiana, Kansas > North Carolina, Louisville and Duke
Michigan, Ohio State, Maryland > Syracuse, NC State
Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin < Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Nebraska, Purdue, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida St., Miami, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, etc.: don't matter
Pudge, saying Rutgers is down as a hoops program is inaccurate as it implies that (a) Rutgers hoops was at one time up, and (b) that Rutgers hoops is a program.Both Maryland & Rutgers are Down as hoop programs.
Pudge, saying Rutgers is down as a hoops program is inaccurate as it implies that (a) Rutgers hoops was at one time up, and (b) that Rutgers hoops is a program.
What subtlety? You have people out and out claiming that UMD's inclusion in The B1G is hurting their attendance and all we have to judge this on is one OOC game against a total dog program. We have no idea what appeal The B1G Schedule will have for fans because they haven't played one yet. Will there be fans pining away for the days of Carolina and Duke? Yep. Will there be fans happy as hell to be away from their influence in The ACC? Yep. You yourself are wistfully remembering The Old Big East in this thread. Things change. Sometimes it sucks but eventually most move on.
As to your second point, Success for The B1G Tournament in NYC, is dependent on the fact that it is a novelty, and won't be something played there every year, or even every other year. Would it be a more raucous event if UCONN or Syracuse were involved? With out a doubt, but not having them will not make it an outright failure. B1G fans will travel in droves to attend, and networks will line up to bid on the broadcast rights. Comparing it to the Big East Tourament will always be a non starter IMO. That was admittedly a better tournament, and it matched up teams many of which were local to the venue as well.
And Maryland is reporting numbers that have no connection to actual people in the building.
They announced 8,600 Monday. It was closer to 86 than 8,600.
If you wanted a Vibrant Anchor ... a GameChanger in Basketball in the East, you would not take either Maryland or Rutgers. They both are down. You take us. We have a HOF coach that has been succeeded by one of the most exciting young coaches in CBB. It's us & you'd draw in both MSG and Verizon.
Every school reports the exact same way. It's called attendance data. Your gripe should be with the NCAA, not Maryland.
Not every school does it the same way. There are many radically different methods. Look at our football attendance for instance. You have attendance below season ticket numbers.
I don't think you quite understand what is going on. Yes ... you are right: they have played one game & that was not representative of anything. I do know season ticket holders. I think you are going to need quite awhile before those vested stakeholders feel like the B1G provides near the passion that they had with their ACC rivals. Is that me guessing? We can put educated guesses on a message board. Rutgers is a mess ... and NOT worth discussing.
If you wanted a Vibrant Anchor ... a GameChanger in Basketball in the East, you would not take either Maryland or Rutgers. They both are down. You take us. We have a HOF coach that has been succeeded by one of the most exciting young coaches in CBB. It's us & you'd draw in both MSG and Verizon.
Every school reports the exact same way. It's called attendance data. Your gripe should be with the NCAA, not Maryland.
Of all the recent alignment moves, in terms of basketball, the Big Ten's addition of Maryland and Rutgers is far and away the least impressive.
In terms of making a splash, that's throwing pebbles in the ocean.
Of all the recent alignment moves, in terms of basketball, the Big Ten's addition of Maryland and Rutgers is far and away the least impressive.
In terms of making a splash, that's throwing pebbles in the ocean.
And my final point ---- the B1G does not expand because of basketball. Basketball is closer to soccer and gymnastics than it is to football in terms of revenue generation for the B1G. The B1G expansion, so far, has focused on AAU schools in contiguous states that have either had historic football powerhouses (Penn State, Nebraska) or were in huge media & recruiting markets (Maryland, Rutgers). Basketball was never in the discussion. (And I know Nebraska lost AAU status, but it was AFTER they were voted into the B1G).
(And I know Nebraska lost AAU status, but it was AFTER they were voted into the B1G).
And my final point ---- the B1G does not expand because of basketball. Basketball is closer to soccer and gymnastics than it is to football in terms of revenue generation for the B1G. The B1G expansion, so far, has focused on AAU schools in contiguous states that have either had historic football powerhouses (Penn State, Nebraska) or were in huge media & recruiting markets (Maryland, Rutgers). Basketball was never in the discussion. (And I know Nebraska lost AAU status, but it was AFTER they were voted into the B1G).