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Better Call Saul

I really think this season has gotten to the highest levels of Breaking Bad. I have always enjoyed and appreciated the quality but I am even more invested in the characters this season and the intensity is at a new level for BCS.
 
That there is such a difference in their views of right and wrong is what will end the relationship between Kim and Jimmy. Jimmy had no problem falsifying evidence (and later informing Kim, an officer of the court) for a preferred outcome. Eventually she will no longer be able to overlook such behavior.

A key to this was demonstrated when they conned the investment manager into buying an entire bottle of $65 per shot (or whatever it cost) at the hotel. She has enough of a wild side to enjoy that on occasion but the occasion would be no more than once every couple of years or so. Jimmy wanted to try it again the next day and would spend 300+ days a year doing so. Eventually she will reach a breaking point and see her involvement with him as too great of a liability. Considering the track record of the writers, it will be something dramatic that Jimmy could have avoided if he were just a bit less Jimmy.
 
Chuck definitely brought Jimmy out to ABQ to both be his savior and keep Jimmy squashed under Chuck's sanctimonious thumb, so it is very possible Rebecca saw that and realized that she too was suppressed and needed to go out on her own. And I think origin story of Chuck's illness and divorce- Jimmy causality has to now be explored as the next evolution between Chuck & Jimmy b/c in the present day Jimmy has Chuck in a box.
The Mike - Gus - Hector dance is going to be good, I know how Hector ends up yet I know they are going to truly surprise us with how it happens.
 
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meyers7 said:
We finally got Saul Goodman and I believe Lydia showed up there too.
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Caught a glimpse of how Don Hector strokes out too.

Nacho now has motive (Leave Papi's business alone) and means (pill) to go along with opportunity.
 
Husky25 said:
Caught a glimpse of how Don Hector strokes out too.

Nacho now has motive (Leave Papi's business alone) and means (pill) to go along with opportunity.
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It was something how so much is coming together. I'm a bit curious about the timeline however as some things (especially the cleaners) seem to be a bit ahead of where they should be.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
It was something how so much is coming together. I'm a bit curious about the timeline however as some things (especially the cleaners) seem to be a bit ahead of where they should be.
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I can see this ending in one more season.

We knew the whole Chuck conflict would be one of the great arcs of the series and that seems to have hit its climax/turning point

Next season it's Kim
 
Cool will be Walter White cameos etc. I imagine they will have along way.....walking by Jimmy in street kinda thing.

Seeing Jesse again too...see how they met.

Great show.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
I can see this ending in one more season.

We knew the whole Chuck conflict would be one of the great arcs of the series and that seems to have hit its climax/turning point

Next season it's Kim
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Nah, this will go the full six seasons. Not only does Kim have to be resolved, but Nacho and Tuco have to be resolved as well. The Chuck thing isn't over yet, and the Cinnabon express hasn't reached its destination yet.
 
I think they are still supposed to be 4-5yrs before the events of BB, so Jessie is likely 13yrs old & unlikely to appear (GO-Walt was Jessie's Chem teacher in HS = already seen it), then with respect to Laundry/superlab Walter came in when they got new equipment and possibly new underground premises. So it likely operates in a hidden room above ground for awhile. I'm curious if Gale is going to appear as Gus' cook, cuz that actor is playing a 55yr old CFO on Billions, can't see him slumming as a 30yrs old masters in chemistry graduate.
After the court room drama I thought last week's episode was a bit of a disappointing re-shuffle in terms of stalling Jimmy for a year to turn fully into legal Saul. And if I was Howard rather than give Chuck a pep talk, I'd have walked in there with 'save face' sell your half of the firm now or I'm going public with your meltdown and you (Chuck) are finished. They did put a lot of sub-plots back in motion though so it'll be fun to see them bring them all together in a creative way.
 
I assume Jesse was selling in HS (disnt he drop out) and getting in trouble and maybe Saul was his lawyer, as I recall Jesse introduced Walt to Saul as the guy they need to go to because "we need a Criminal lawyer".

You are right about Gale.
 
G0UCONN said:
I assume Jesse was selling in HS (disnt he drop out) and getting in trouble and maybe Saul was his lawyer, as I recall Jesse introduced Walt to Saul as the guy they need to go to because "we need a Criminal lawyer".

You are right about Gale.
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Yeah, Jessie was a stoner in high school and stayed for extra help or something once or twice. Then when Walt goes on the bust with his brother in-law & gets the idea to sell drugs after seeing $$ and Jessie narrowly escape. = Walt knows to approach Jessie for a partnership. Not sure how Jessie 'picked' Saul, but the meeting we saw on BB was the first time Saul formally met either Jessie or Walter White.
 
Ok, that may be the case.

I thought based on what Jesse said to Walt that he already knew Saul.
 
According to Breaking Bad wiki Jesse was born in September of 1984 and BCS is set in 2002
 
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There are a lot of reasons for Kim to dump Jimmy, but is she really going to split over Chuck? If there was anyone that had it coming, it was Chuck.
 
It does seem a bit strange that their damaging Chuck warrants such guilt while it was done entirely in response to Chuck trying to destroy Jimmy.

When they were in the bar, talking about how to take different people was telling. She's beginning to see a side of him (which due to his financial difficulties is coming to the forefront) that will end up almost justifying Chuck's opinion of Jimmy.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
It does seem a bit strange that their damaging Chuck warrants such guilt while it was done entirely in response to Chuck trying to destroy Jimmy.

When they were in the bar, talking about how to take different people was telling. She's beginning to see a side of him (which due to his financial difficulties is coming to the forefront) that will end up almost justifying Chuck's opinion of Jimmy.
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Technically that whole thing started because Chuck and Howard stole Kim's client, Mesa Verde, by pretending Chuck was not completely crazy. Jimmy just stole the client back, in a large part to save Kim. As nasty and unethical as Jimmy's actions were, they were done to help Kim when Kim needed some help.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Technically that whole thing started because Chuck and Howard stole Kim's client, Mesa Verde, by pretending Chuck was not completely crazy. Jimmy just stole the client back, in a large part to save Kim. As nasty and unethical as Jimmy's actions were, they were done to help Kim when Kim needed some help.
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I agree and I will add that when Chuck stole Mesa Verde he wasn't living in reality. To him it was a game and he saw bringing that client back to HHM as him winning the game, without any thought that there were other consequences beyond one lawyer won while another lost.

I believe that Kim, due to being overwhelmed with the workload, is now having second thoughts on gaining Mesa Verde and may no longer view getting them back as a client as a positive.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I agree and I will add that when Chuck stole Mesa Verde he wasn't living in reality. To him it was a game and he saw bringing that client back to HHM as him winning the game, without any thought that there were other consequences beyond one lawyer won while another lost.

I believe that Kim, due to being overwhelmed with the workload, is now having second thoughts on gaining Mesa Verde and may no longer view getting them back as a client as a positive.
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Agreed. I will stick with my prediction that Kim ends up at a Chuck-free HHM. She is the most appealing character in either Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul, and I do want her to have a happy ending.
 
HHW is a possibility.

My guess is that she (knowing it was really intentional) views Jimmy's accidental ratting out of Chuck's condition (and conveniently pointing out that it is in the hearing transcript) to the malpractice insurer as the last straw.

Chuck is the only animosity Mesa Verdi has towards HHM and if his career is over (it most likely is) they might not have a problem if Kim enlists them to assist in a job that is too much for her alone. Bringing in a client of that magnitude could get her a partnership interest in the firm. That said, I think it's 50/50 that she moves on from Albuquerque and starts over somewhere else (I think she's supposed to be from Kansas City, a return there could lead to her accidentally visiting a Cinnabon in Omaha.
 
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Although Kim has remorse about Chuck, she's still on team Jimmy to the extent that she understands Jimmy's beleaguered condition is a direct result of Chuck constantly berating him. What she is coming to understand is that Chuck caused/triggered/tapped something in Jimmy's nature that now makes his default scamming. Whereas she values hard work & has ethics, Jimmy's coming likely spectacular season-ending $ scams will ultimately be something the chick cannot abide.

I definitely feel a big let down in series following the courtroom confrontation. That was the ultimate moment between the brothers. Jimmy won but not really and what's left is the tragic fallout that leads to the demise of both brothers. Not really relishing viewing that and I'm increasingly antsy to move to Omaha for all-you-can-eat Cinnabons after this season.
 
Its interesting with 1 episode left we'll complete the transition from Jimmy to Saul and Mike is part of team Fring. But whereas initially everyone wanted a fun romp of high-jinxs with the criminal lawyer, now that we know 'heart of gold' Jimmy it seems impossible to enjoy Saul's antics defending scum. Yet they have to stay in this time period b/c everyone loves Mike & I think we'd enjoy seeing him carefully cultivate his gang of security operatives.

I think we get one more season and only in the series' very last episode does Cinnabon Gene try to come full circle and find resolution/closure/peace.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Its interesting with 1 episode left we'll complete the transition from Jimmy to Saul and Mike is part of team Fring. But whereas initially everyone wanted a fun romp of high-jinxs with the criminal lawyer, now that we know 'heart of gold' Jimmy it seems impossible to enjoy Saul's antics defending scum. Yet they have to stay in this time period b/c everyone loves Mike & I think we'd enjoy seeing him carefully cultivate his gang of security operatives.

I think we get one more season and only in the series' very last episode does Cinnabon Gene try to come full circle and find resolution/closure/peace.
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Be interesting to see what actually breaks Kim. And what ultimately happens to Chuck.
 
meyers7 said:
Be interesting to see what actually breaks Kim. And what ultimately happens to Chuck.
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I don't believe it was coincidental that if she went off the road a second or two earlier or later her car would have rolled into the ravine and she would have been killed. My guess is she takes it as a wakeup call and abandons the idea of a private practice.

It appears that Chuck is more of the great attorney now than he had been in who knows how long and I'm enjoying his attempted take down of HHM. I am curious (morbidly so, due to Gilligan's track record) as to how things end with Chuck & Howard.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I don't believe it was coincidental that if she went off the road a second or two earlier or later her car would have rolled into the ravine and she would have been killed. My guess is she takes it as a wakeup call and abandons the idea of a private practice.

It appears that Chuck is more of the great attorney now than he had been in who knows how long and I'm enjoying his attempted take down of HHM. I am curious (morbidly so, due to Gilligan's track record) as to how things end with Chuck & Howard.
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That's right, the Chuck v Howard is worthy of a mini-arc and now that we've separated Jimmy and Chuck it can go on independently. That's worth extending into another season. Or I could see Kim and Howard either solving their problems together OR both giving up the ghost and fleeing ABQ and the McGill's forever.
 
The co-creator was a little evasive in a recent interview when asked about next season. I think it will be renewed, but it is not a lock. Ratings have been poor for this season.
 
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