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FfldCntyFan said:
My gut tells me that this will end badly for Chuck (which would be poetic justice) as the entire thing was a setup and there is sufficient evidence of this.

Ernie (who he always condescendingly referred to as Ernesto) getting fired may blow up in Chuck's face.

I imagine we also will get more of the back story behind Chuck's failed marriage and subsequent illness.
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Agree on Chuck's backstory, I think the divorce to electro-phobia story is going to be really interesting.
But on Chuck's finally outcome I'm torn as Jimmy told Chuck he's dead to him, but in his heart he doesn't mean it. Yet at same time Jimmy's best revenge is to have Chuck sitting near comatose in a chair ringing a cowbell but reading headlines every day about Slippin' Jimmy's latest 'criminal' lawyer adventures. And based on Breaking Bad these guys always surprise me with how characters twist, turn & escape from seemingly impossible traps.
But its really sad that two brothers are so screwed b/c of each other.
 
That moment in court where Jimmy starts to mutter "Sorry I didn't call you on the phone; I thought I'd tell you in person..." to Kim, and the court transcriber catches and records it, will definitely come to be a pivotal moment. They're planting seeds, along with that Navy(?) Captain(?).
 
FluxTZ said:
This week's episode was probably the best of the season so far.
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I saw this weeks episode on Tuesday and I've been racking my brain for a couple days as to what Jimmy and Kim have on Chuck when she came back simply replied, "Bingo" at the end.

I even went to far as to listen to Afterbuzz and read some Reddit boards (They have some interesting theories, but I think they are wrong.), when it hit me. I think Kim gets Chuck and Howard to say the original tape was destroyed and they play a duplicate. Kim challenges the validity of the duplicate. Anyone?
 
My guess is that the incident falls into serious question from the bar association due to provocation. Chuck's comment on admissibility having different standards than in a court of law gave that away.

Chuck went so far as to admit everything was staged to provoke Jimmy, which would lead a bar association to question the integrity of that member. Chuck (I hope HHM as well) may end up paying a serious price for this stunt. HHM was paying the PI's who were there to witness the break-in and it was one of their employees who forwarded the message (and was subsequently fired for doing what they wanted him to do).
 
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Husky25 said:
I saw this weeks episode on Tuesday and I've been racking my brain for a couple days as to what Jimmy and Kim have on Chuck when she came back simply replied, "Bingo" at the end.

I even went to far as to listen to Afterbuzz and read some Reddit boards (They have some interesting theories, but I think they are wrong.), when it hit me. I think Kim gets Chuck and Howard to say the original tape was destroyed and they play a duplicate. Kim challenges the validity of the duplicate. Anyone?
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I thought Chuck clearly stated Jimmy destroyed the duplicate tape.
 
Dove said:
I thought Chuck clearly stated Jimmy destroyed the duplicate tape.
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He did and I believe that is why she said 'bingo'. That everything leading up to Jimmy's break-in/destruction of property was staged will end up nailing Chuck, not Jimmy.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
He did and I believe that is why she said 'bingo'. That everything leading up to Jimmy's break-in/destruction of property was staged will end up nailing Chuck, not Jimmy.
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Ok, but what does it matter if it was staged - what does that actually do/prove?
My guess given the pictures and unknown something else that Mike gave Jimmy is they are gearing up to get Chuck disbarred. So specifically labeling the tape 'destroyed' is tampering with evidence or falsifying and the pictures of the electricity free house are used either to proved the ruse of ailment (he's faking yet recording tapes!) or that Chuck is deranged.
I liked the previous episode a little better, but happy that we are now getting lots of Gus Fring and filling in his backstory. Gus setting up Hector to demand Hector's mule services is great, can't wait to see what ingenious way Gus will use this to backfire on Hector. Hector is such scum I'm feeling very remorseful about rooting for him/Walt in war v Gus.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Hector is such scum I'm feeling very remorseful about rooting for him/Walt in war v Gus.
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That was one of the good things Gilligan did/has done/is doing. Nobody is really the good guy.
 
X-Files, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul?

Vince Gilligan lives in a dark world.
 
Husky25 said:
X-Files, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul?

Vince Gilligan lives in a dark world.
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I didn't watch Xfiles after season 2 or 3, but weren't the protagonists there pretty much crusaders for the truth and good?
For Better Call Saul, Kim Wexler continues to emerge as the most interesting and compelling character. We can like her and be happy for her & Jimmy when they get closer and team up, even knowing it is likely to be her undoing. We don't know how either Kim or Chuck ends up, but I'd be surprised if its favorable for Chuck. Whereas with Kim we can hold out hope that she hits eject at the right moment and maybe being wildly optimistic is around for a mea culpa & reunion in the Cinnabun days to come.
 
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So I'm watching Glory last night with Mathew Broderick and Denzel. When the black soldiers finally get out to the field they have words with a white platoon. One of the guys is Hector! I swear the other one is Dennis Eckersley.
 
Dove said:
So I'm watching Glory last night with Mathew Broderick and Denzel. When the black soldiers finally get out to the field they have words with a white platoon. One of the guys is Hector! I swear the other one is Dennis Eckersley.
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Both Hector and Mike are "That Guy" Hall of Famers. So is Tuco.
 
Dove said:
So I'm watching Glory last night with Mathew Broderick and Denzel. When the black soldiers finally get out to the field they have words with a white platoon. One of the guys is Hector! I swear the other one is Dennis Eckersley.
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Yep, 10th Connecticut Soldier. Mark Margolis has been around it seems per Wiki. He was in Scarface, Cotton Club, Ace Ventura, Black Swan and a bunch of TV shows and even a Madonna video (Bad Girl as a bartender).
 
meyers7 said:
Really liked the episode last night. Nice to see Chuck brought down.
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Yep Bravo. They mentioned Perry Mason in the episode, but I was thinking about;
The Godfather: Colangelo recants after seeing his brother for sake of family, Chuck instead doubles down & brings down family
A Few Good Men: Chuck in Colonel Jessup mode admits to needing Jimmy dis-barred for a lifetime of transgressions. Like the discharged soldiers, Jimmy's victory comes at a cost and though Chuck isn't led off in shackles, I think he & possibly HHM cannot recover from this
 
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It was Frank Pentangeli but beyond that excellent points. I would like to add Captain Queeg as an influence on Chuck's performance.

Chuck has to be cut loose by HHM, Howard's earlier comment about his responsibility to the firm's appearance verified that. Their complicity may end up hurting them but the biggest result (outside of Chuck & Jimmy) is that Kim's relationship with Mesa Verde is safe.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
It was Frank Pentangeli but beyond that excellent points. I would like to add Captain Queeg as an influence on Chuck's performance.

Chuck has to be cut loose by HHM, Howard's earlier comment about his responsibility to the firm's appearance verified that. Their complicity may end up hurting them but the biggest result (outside of Chuck & Jimmy) is that Kim's relationship with Mesa Verde is safe.
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Good memory, that name came to me from somewhere but other than Luca Brasi I've always been sketchy on who is who outside of the Corleone family.
Its an interesting choice that they went to some trouble to make Kim's Mesa Verde relationship safe. Not sure if it'll be the additional workload (needs to be off-loaded to Jimmy?) or exactly how Kim' split with Jimmy will occur, but that's seemingly the final domino in the fall of Jimmy McGill and rise of Saul Goodman.

Would folks rather see a season of Saul's antics serving various 2-bit criminals (what BBad viewers originally thought the show would be) or visit the post-BBad world? I've got a small appetite for the former which I think could be served thru end of this season, but prefer transition to the latter as I'm super curious & want some atonement for Cinnabon Jimmy.
 
As good as last night's episode was, I don't think we see very much of Jimmy, Kim, or Chuck next week. It's not his show, but the Cartel story arc with Mike is just as important as the Jimmy/Saul arc.
 
The intertwining of Jimmy & Mike is great and part of me wants to see continued scenes of each of their exploits before they make it to Breaking Bad territory.

I believe you are correct that nearly all, if not all of next weeks episode will be Mike/Gus/Hector centric. On here I imagine the progression will be Mike joining Gus' employ, eventually becoming his chief if staff, Hector's stroke (I'm guessing this will be another brilliant Mike maneuver) and Tuco returning, taking charge of Hector's business. This can easily be another two seasons or more by itself.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
The intertwining of Jimmy & Mike is great and part of me wants to see continued scenes of each of their exploits before they make it to Breaking Bad territory.

I believe you are correct that nearly all, if not all of next weeks episode will be Mike/Gus/Hector centric. On here I imagine the progression will be Mike joining Gus' employ, eventually becoming his chief if staff, Hector's stroke (I'm guessing this will be another brilliant Mike maneuver) and Tuco returning, taking charge of Hector's business. This can easily be another two seasons or more by itself.
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I want to see jessie show up. How did he know Saul?
 
chaplin said:
I want to see jessie show up. How did he know Saul?
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Badger got caught selling to an undercover cop. He found Saul as an attorney and Saul worked out a plea where Badger would give up Heisenberg (Walt). Jesse and Walt kidnapped Saul to convince him to change the plea, Saul pulled what Kim did earlier (give me a dollar) and became their attorney. Saul was able to find a stand-in Heisenberg for a price.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
Badger got caught selling to an undercover cop. He found Saul as an attorney and Saul worked out a plea where Badger would give up Heisenberg (Walt). Jesse and Walt kidnapped Saul to convince him to change the plea, Saul pulled what Kim did earlier (give me a dollar) and became their attorney. Saul was able to find a stand-in Heisenberg for a price.
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yeah, but Jessie knew that Saul was a criminal, attorney. Not a criminal attorney, remember?
 
I know hector supposedly has a stroke, but do you think Gus/mike breaks his legs? They kinda foreshadowed that when hector put his feet up on his desk and saying a bullet to the head was too humane. Especially when he tries to remove the crap from his shoe onto his desk.

Thoughts?
 
ct06111 said:
Anyone notice huell? the guy that planted the battery?

Isn't that sauls bodyguard in BB?
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Yep that was the point. Combo of wink & troll with fans re: Huell. There was skepticism about Huell being able to pickpocket Jessie of the Ricin cigarette from Jessie - they later added an after the fact 2nd pickpocketing, so in that context this was quite an amusing way to meet Huell.
 
One avenue that could be fascinating (but they likely won't explore) is what role Jimmy's move to New Mexico played in the deterioration of Chuck's marriage and ultimately Chuck's mental health.

Chuck obviously had massive resentment towards Jimmy from well before getting him out of trouble in Chicago. Rebecca appears to have been very fond (platonic) of Jimmy and a mix of whatever open resentment Chuck displayed, along with the toll what he was hiding took could have led to her departure, which was obviously the cause of his psychosomatic affliction.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Good memory, that name came to me from somewhere but other than Luca Brasi I've always been sketchy on who is who outside of the Corleone family.
Its an interesting choice that they went to some trouble to make Kim's Mesa Verde relationship safe. Not sure if it'll be the additional workload (needs to be off-loaded to Jimmy?) or exactly how Kim' split with Jimmy will occur, but that's seemingly the final domino in the fall of Jimmy McGill and rise of Saul Goodman.

Would folks rather see a season of Saul's antics serving various 2-bit criminals (what BBad viewers originally thought the show would be) or visit the post-BBad world? I've got a small appetite for the former which I think could be served thru end of this season, but prefer transition to the latter as I'm super curious & want some atonement for Cinnabon Jimmy.
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The writers do an incredible job with Jimmy. They make him very likable, but leave no doubt that he is poison. The only good outcome for Kim is to get as far away from Jimmy as possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see Chuck run off by HHM, and Howard take Kim back as a full partner once Jimmy becomes Saul. Think of what Kim did to get Jimmy off vs. where she was at the beginning of the show. Slipping Jimmy pulls everyone down with him.
 
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