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Better Call Saul

WHOAH!!!!!!!!

That was my reaction.

My one complaint on this (unless there will be further prequels) is that some of the added ancillary characters have so much that could be developed by as we are close to the conclusion, they will barely scratch the surface.
 
The best parts of Better Call Saul have become the story lines that don't include Saul.
 
Oh man that was wild..

My biggest question is, why Jimmy? Why not just let it go with Howard? What is the specific reason that he had to go to these lengths to do this? Bad energy, bad karma.

Man, this show is close to Breaking Bad, I don't think it'll ever catch it but it's damn close
 
My wife and were thinking there were 3 shows left. Ooops.

RIP Howard
 
I find it interesting that some find the show as epic as it is when the believability of the plot is a bit iffy.

So, Saul just happens to see the mediator judge out and about and sees he has a cast? AND...he and Kim were able to reshoot the photos by having the body-double guy come back and reshoot with a cast on? All in the very nick of time before the big Sandpiper meeting?


Okaaaaaay.
 
That sucked. I have been concerned about Kim's future. I think she may meet a similar fate.
 
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Killing Howard feels like a plot mistake or at least a stretch the more I think about it. The cartel’s rules are no killing civilians (notice Mike getting Gus out of the school quickly, or how pissed Gus gets when someone shows up at the chicken store). Killing a high profile civilian that would immediately be connected to Jimmy/Saul seems like a violation of the show’s own rules for how the cartel behaves. Lalo would know that all the cartel’s wrath would come down on him and the Salamancas if he did something so stupid. Or are the show’s rules suddenly different, in which case nothing matters anymore?

The show should have found another way to kill Howard.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Killing Howard feels like a plot mistake or at least a stretch the more I think about it. The cartel’s rules are no killing civilians (notice Mike getting Gus out of the school quickly, or how pissed Gus gets when someone shows up at the chicken store). Killing a high profile civilian that would immediately be connected to Jimmy/Saul seems like a violation of the show’s own rules for how the cartel behaves. Lalo would know that all the cartel’s wrath would come down on him and the Salamancas if he did something so stupid. Or are the show’s rules suddenly different, in which case nothing matters anymore?

The show should have found another way to kill Howard.
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Rewatching BB again. The Salamanca's don't really play by those rules
 
jrazz12 said:
Rewatching BB again. The Salamanca's don't really play by those rules
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If there are no rules, then why doesn't Lalo walk down the street with an AK just mowing people down? Lalo is supposed to be cornered and desperate, but apparently he can do whatever he wants now. Why not just drop a nuclear bomb on Gus or cast a spell or time travel? I watch prestige TV like BCS because I don't like when random stupid stuff happens in a show.

I watched the end of the first half of Season 6 this morning, and I am getting more annoyed by it as the day wears on.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
If there are no rules, then why doesn't Lalo walk down the street with an AK just mowing people down? Lalo is supposed to be cornered and desperate, but apparently he can do whatever he wants now. Why not just drop a nuclear bomb on Gus or cast a spell or time travel? I watch prestige TV like BCS because I don't like when random stupid stuff happens in a show.

I watched the end of the first half of Season 6 this morning, and I am getting more annoyed by it as the day wears on.
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I think Lalo is careful about not killing people indiscriminately, but if it would benefit him to do so then he's not going to have any qualms about it. For example, if he had killed the German engineer's wife, Gus would have certainly known about it since I am sure he's tracking her and would have suspected Lalo. Killing a colleague of Jimmy's and hiding the body isn't going to get back to Gus in any way, since he just ensured that Mike's men were going to be pulled off of Jimmy's apartment, and as long as he cleans up the body there shouldn't be any trouble with the police.

I don't believe the cartel has a rule about not killing civilians, remember the twin Salamanca brothers from Breaking Bad? They killed a whole caravan crossing over the border. Their discretion is more about keeping themselves out of prison.
 
That dig Gus Fring shot at Mike. Whoa.
 
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Finally, we will never hear that bell ding again!!!
 
People can say that BCS is boring, that's all fine and good - but I think it's just a nose behind Breaking Bad at this point overall.
 
M.S.G. said:
People can say that BCS is boring, that's all fine and good - but I think it's just a nose behind Breaking Bad at this point overall.
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This last season, maybe last two they are similar shows and comparable as Saul steers into the drug world, but prior to that BCS was great but in a very different way that paled in comparison to the pace and constant high stakes of BB.

Even in terms of degree of difficulty, I'm amazed how well they've been able to pull off BCS and have drama and compelling scenes co-exist with our knowledge of where characters end up. Yet although that's hard & done to perfection, it is not as impressive as the world creation that BB did, arguably so good that it was more possible to create the parallel & ultimately intersecting world of BCS.

Very, very curious to see where they go from here as we embark on a future beyond BB & El Camino. They've already given all of the BCS characters a major reckoning with their deeds, what does that reckoning ultimately do to them and their future selves is what's left to understand.
 
M.S.G. said:
People can say that BCS is boring, that's all fine and good - but I think it's just a nose behind Breaking Bad at this point overall.
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I think its by more than a nose. BB is a superior show. People are entitled to their opinion but those that say BCS is better are on meth.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
I think its by more than a nose. BB is a superior show. People are entitled to their opinion but those that say BCS is better are on meth.
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I must be on meth then. BCS is light years ahead of BB (ok maybe not that much). I think Gilligan learned a lot (character development, symbolism, cinematography) from BB and was able to expand on what he can do/give/show on BCS. BB was really good, but on BCS, Gilligan has taken it to another level.

Granted, it's a much slower burn in BCS than BB. Much more subtle in BCS. You have to pay more attention, just levels deeper. Kind of like Wheel vs Jeopardy.

And the characters (interest/development)

Walt > Jimmy
Kim > Jesse (ok people may argue here, but I always hated Jesse - Walt should have killed him and got a better partner, and Kim may be my favorite female character of all time)
Mike BCS > Mike BB
Frings BCS > Frings BB
Nacho > >> Skyler
Howard >/= Hank (arguable again)
Chuck > Walt Jr and Marie
Lalo> Lydia or Todd
Cliff and Rich > Badger and Skinny Pete
Tuco and Hector BCS > Tuco and Hector BB

Of course this is just my opinion.......and I'm on meth....so take if for what it's worth.
 
meyers7 said:
I must be on meth then. BCS is light years ahead of BB (ok maybe not that much). I think Gilligan learned a lot (character development, symbolism, cinematography) from BB and was able to expand on what he can do/give/show on BCS. BB was really good, but on BCS, Gilligan has taken it to another level.

Granted, it's a much slower burn in BCS than BB. Much more subtle in BCS. You have to pay more attention, just levels deeper. Kind of like Wheel vs Jeopardy.

And the characters (interest/development)

Walt > Jimmy
Kim > Jesse (ok people may argue here, but I always hated Jesse - Walt should have killed him and got a better partner, and Kim may be my favorite female character of all time)
Mike BCS > Mike BB
Frings BCS > Frings BB
Nacho > >> Skyler
Howard >/= Hank (arguable again)
Chuck > Walt Jr and Marie
Lalo> Lydia or Todd
Cliff and Rich > Badger and Skinny Pete
Tuco and Hector BCS > Tuco and Hector BB

Of course this is just my opinion.......and I'm on meth....so take if for what it's worth.
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Yes thats your opinion and film like art is subjective. If thats what you believe than great im glad you see it that way. I think youre on meth (of course just some good natured ball busting) but i respect it. The only issue i have with youre comment is the stuff about "you have to pay more attention, just levels deeper". Just because someone doesnt feel the same way about something doesnt mean they lack understanding. Thats a trollish argument and i think its beneath you. Sure i make the meth comment but im obviously kidding where as youre actually questioning peoples intelligence. Not cool man.
 
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TheChamps990411 said:
Yes thats your opinion and film like art is subjective. If thats what you believe than great im glad you see it that way. I think youre on meth (of course just some good natured ball busting) but i respect it. The only issue i have with youre comment is the stuff about "you have to pay more attention, just levels deeper". Just because someone doesnt feel the same way about something doesnt mean they lack understanding. Thats a trollish argument and i think its beneath you. Sure i make the meth comment but im obviously kidding where as youre actually questioning peoples intelligence. Not cool man.
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Well, how is BB better?

(and there is nothing beneath me)
 
Last night's episode was great. Kind of odd for it to come with just 4 episodes left in the series, but a nice epilogue on the story of Slippin' Jimmy. Now the next 2 episodes (at least) are going to deal with BB era Saul, and I would imagine at least part of the finale ties up Jimmy and Kim's storyline.
 
meyers7 said:
I must be on meth then. BCS is light years ahead of BB (ok maybe not that much). I think Gilligan learned a lot (character development, symbolism, cinematography) from BB and was able to expand on what he can do/give/show on BCS. BB was really good, but on BCS, Gilligan has taken it to another level.

Granted, it's a much slower burn in BCS than BB. Much more subtle in BCS. You have to pay more attention, just levels deeper. Kind of like Wheel vs Jeopardy.

And the characters (interest/development)

Walt > Jimmy
Kim > Jesse (ok people may argue here, but I always hated Jesse - Walt should have killed him and got a better partner, and Kim may be my favorite female character of all time)
Mike BCS > Mike BB
Frings BCS > Frings BB
Nacho > >> Skyler
Howard >/= Hank (arguable again)
Chuck > Walt Jr and Marie
Lalo> Lydia or Todd
Cliff and Rich > Badger and Skinny Pete
Tuco and Hector BCS > Tuco and Hector BB

Of course this is just my opinion.......and I'm on meth....so take if for what it's worth.
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Character analysis is mostly off after first 3
Fring BB was a great villain created out of cloth, BCS is running it back with less oomph
Howard over Hank is absurd
Lalo definitely the highlight new character of later seasons, unfortunately he just didn't do anything tangible other than randoms killed and avoiding getting killed for a time.
Badger & Skinny Pete were great characters and great comic relief on a darker show, on BCS Cliff & Rich are straight men, lawyers, yawn.
Kim is the standout correction for BB where the female characters were underdeveloped, thankless and somewhat abused by public. Yet Skyler should never have been hated, it was a thankless role doomed to wet blanket treatment. But given that she needed to be in the dark, repulsed but never blow it up and then go along with the program, it went about as well as that awful position could go. It was satisfying in the end when Walt finally fessed up to liking it b/c Skyler's character had earned the confession.
 
Rico444 said:
Last night's episode was great. Kind of odd for it to come with just 4 episodes left in the series, but a nice epilogue on the story of Slippin' Jimmy. Now the next 2 episodes (at least) are going to deal with BB era Saul, and I would imagine at least part of the finale ties up Jimmy and Kim's storyline.
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Part of me wants Jimmy and Kim to be reunited as the series ends, but I'm afraid it would be also very hokey. If anyone can pull it off, the showrunners here can though.
 
M.S.G. said:
Part of me wants Jimmy and Kim to be reunited as the series ends, but I'm afraid it would be also very hokey. If anyone can pull it off, the showrunners here can though.
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I don't want that. Everything Kim said when they broke up is true; they're bad for each other. As much as I loved seeing them together, it would be heartbreaking to see them get back together for that reason.
 
Appreciating the lack of spoilers on E10. Been trying to watch on AMC.com, but either there's a message "episode cannot be loaded at this time", or it gives me a minute or two and then cuts out. So far I've managed to get through the first 11 minutes, lol.
 
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Rico444 said:
I don't want that. Everything Kim said when they broke up is true; they're bad for each other. As much as I loved seeing them together, it would be heartbreaking to see them get back together for that reason.
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While I do agree with this, I think that Jesse got his happy ending and Jimmy deserves his for all that he's gone through..
 
Wanting to make sure I was caught up before the next one, I plunked down $1.99 to my cable provider to watch it. While I think it was an important episode to show the internal conflict of Gene/Saul/Slippin' Jimmy, my linger question is how could the original Jeff not make himself available for this episode and work alongside Carol Burnett? That would've been a memorable part in a legendary show. If I were the original Jeff (Don Harvey), I would've made sure to include in my contract with HBO a clause that allowed me to do BCS if they asked again. Who's gonna remember "We Own This City"?
 
I really enjoyed how they've juxtaposed Slippin' Gene and Slippin' Jimmy.. A return to all those schemes he used to run when he was young.

Part of me feels like he just wants to get caught at this point. He's miserable and doesn't know which direction to go in. Loved the scene on the phone with Kim, perfect cinematography to have the trucks passing by so we didn't hear the conversation. Also great shot of the grave that was dug transitioning into the next scene. Absolute elite cinematography.
 
M.S.G. said:
I really enjoyed how they've juxtaposed Slippin' Gene and Slippin' Jimmy.. A return to all those schemes he used to run when he was young.

Part of me feels like he just wants to get caught at this point. He's miserable and doesn't know which direction to go in. Loved the scene on the phone with Kim, perfect cinematography to have the trucks passing by so we didn't hear the conversation. Also great shot of the grave that was dug transitioning into the next scene. Absolute elite cinematography.
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I've read that we will find out what was said. Was it her? Or someone telling Gene she's not there anymore and doesn't know where she is? Or????
 
meyers7 said:
I've read that we will find out what was said. Was it her? Or someone telling Gene she's not there anymore and doesn't know where she is? Or????
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A lot of friends who watch the show have been frustrated with the past 2 episodes. I personally loved the dark comedy of last week, especially with Jeffy being knocked out on the floor, that was prime Breaking Bad levels of stress.

It seemed to be a pretty heated conversation. My wife and I surmised that it was her on the phone, and she was yelling at him for taking a risk like this - or her yelling at him because the Feds may still be on her phones which would make things sticky for Jimmy.
 
M.S.G. said:
A lot of friends who watch the show have been frustrated with the past 2 episodes. I personally loved the dark comedy of last week, especially with Jeffy being knocked out on the floor, that was prime Breaking Bad levels of stress.

It seemed to be a pretty heated conversation. My wife and I surmised that it was her on the phone, and she was yelling at him for taking a risk like this - or her yelling at him because the Feds may still be on her phones which would make things sticky for Jimmy.
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Possibly. I'm thinking it was bad news (for him anyway). Whenever something bad happens to him (Chuck dying, Kim leaving), he goes "Saul". Which is what he does after the phone call.

I guess it could be Kim telling him NOT to call/contact her, it's too dangerous/risky for him??
 
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