Better Call Saul

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  1. temery

    temery What?

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    very excite
     
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    Interesting, seems about to turn into the series we all thought it'd be initially with Jimmy becoming Saul. Yet somehow we are all going to be rooting against this cuz it means he'll lose Kim and betray the memory of Chuck (less of latter obviously). At this point I'm much more interested to watch the empire building by Gus & Mike, yet still confident that VGilligan will find some unknown depth to Jimmy's evolution.
     
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    Bump.

    Season Premiere tonight.

     
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    I really need to get back into this. I haven't watched since season 1
     
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    Oh man you've missed some good stuff.
     
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    A little slow for a season premier. But it did catch us up on everyone. However, right there at the end, it looks like Saul is prominent over Jimmy.
     
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    That was a weird choice, I think a little too easy on the actor to simply be stoic in response.

    Did that flip on Hamlin define the whole show. Jimmy gets to say Chuck's demise was someone else's fault and then start whistling and the entire act it'S aull Good-man is avoidance?

    Yet while watching & especially thru the eulogy phone call I definitely was thinking that Chuck's list of accomplishments and untimely demise was ALL Jimmy's fault so I guess the stoicism did accomplish its intent (I also thought if he was that smart Jimmy doesn't get him in court). Weird to give the man no agency in his own fate. Get some psychiatric help seems like an awfully obvious answer from Jimmy's first arrival in town thru the electrolysis paralysiss. it was easy to blame Chuck while he was alive and so pompous, condescending and in total denial. Once he's dead it is a lot harder.
     
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    Spoiler alert. Seriously.
     
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    What spoiler? And you had 3 days.
     
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    I wait until the season is done to binge the season. On s positive note, I don't remember having typed the reply, and I can't remember what you said.

    God bless my ADD.
     
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    It may define the show. But I don't know if it's gonna be the "fault" that makes Saul or rather the death of Chuck. That's a huge weight, and a huge weight of expectation (and condemnation) removed from Jimmy.

    One could say Walter was always Heisenberg, he just needed a catalyst (cancer, need for money) to get there. Slipping Jimmy was always Saul, his catalyst may be Chuck's death? All though I really, really can't wait to see how Kim plays out in this???
     
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    I'm interested to see exactly how she gets there, but its always been obvious that Kim is ethical with a frivolous side whereas Jimmy is frivolous with flexible loyalty and morality. So the how is worth watching, but to me the only intriguing/unknown question is will the split be permanent ala Chuck - Jimmy OR does 'Gene' have any shot at redemption or reconciliation. The how might be does Jimmy do something to someone else that Kim can't abide or does he carelessly take her down in one of his immoral acts.

    It is even darker for Mike, we know how he ends up and we are coolly observing his moral demise while oddly pleasuring in his 'character' traits & skills that make him such an efficient criminal.
     
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    I don't know if it is so much a moral demise. We know he was a dirty cop to start with.
     
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    True, its weird how criminals are almost always portrayed as being amongst the better criminals, loyal to their families (ie. Nacho the drug dealer that just protected his father) and their crews. Mike is portrayed as unfailingly loyal to his family and his guys unless they cross him. Then somehow he is justifiably & 'honorably' murderous. The only reality the TV versions succumb to is ultimately their families are affected even though they tried to keep them apart and safe. The real world reality that the minute you go down the road of illegal behavior you are risking your families' security and lives isn't considered much initially and almost never truly reaps what they've sown.
    Even Walter W who did deal with an almost daily erosion and effect on his family (SPOILER ALERT). Although he ruined the lives of his wife and brother + sister in-law, he managed to provide for his son.
     
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    True.

    Most good people do bad things on occasion (not to the extent of murder, but). And most bad people do good things.