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storrsroars said:
Somebody's got to represent, and if X is out and UConn, Creighton and Marquette are all 8 seeds, SJU is probably the only one making it through the 1st weekend.
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I have no love for Pitino, but it would be nice if St. John's won a third straight title for the Big East and stuck it to the Big Ten and SEC for another year as they and the committee treat the conference as a mid-major.
 
ecasadoSBU said:
Now... all we need is for Jay Wright to say "retirement is good. but time to get back in the biz" and return to Villanova.

One can dream, right?

Hurley, Pitino, Wright. Oh man. That would be epic for the Big East
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McDermott and Miller are legit. I like Smart too
 
Marat said:
I don't mind if SJU goes far in the Tourney, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Every time I rooted for a Big East ream outside of us they would fall short in the past. I think they could get to a final four, but that is probably their ceiling.
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The ceiling doesn’t get much higher than that.
 
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superjohn said:
I was bummed at how we played last night but I honestly didn't care much because I knew we would've been Creighton tonight.
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I would've preferred losing in the championship game, used it as another game of growth, wouldn't have even cared if we got killed as much as it would suck. In 91 Duke lost to UNC by 30 in the ACC championship, then went on to win it all, 2014 UConn losing to Lville by 10.

Not that I ever really believed were a final team but that extra game against a superior opponent can really help a teams growth, oh well it is what it is.
 
superjohn said:
My buddy's description of this Johnnies team- An absolute killer in Luis surrounded by a bunch of Dobermans with a god damn Mafia don on the sidelines.
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That's what we need.
 
How Sway?! said:
With Auburn and Alabama both losing in the Semis, is there any chance St John's gets the last 1 seed?
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They definitely should be a #1 seed. Anything but a #1 seed should be perceived as disrespect to the Big East a whole. The ACC, a weaker league this year, has had a dominant Duke team and notice that Duke is getting the respect it deserves. So why make the exception with the Johnnies?

Anyone that dominates this conference like the Johnnies have done this year should be rewarded with a #1 seed. This is a league that has produced 4 of the last 8 national champions. Its a power league and its top teams should be treated as such.

These three teams should be guaranteed #1 seed:
Duke
Houston
St. John's

The fourth team. I'm not sure... as the top teams from the SEC/B1G have flopped in their tournaments
 
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LIUCHusky said:
The ceiling doesn’t get much higher than that.
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Right, but if they have consistent 3 point shooting then their ceiling could be championship. Right now I don't think so. And if they keep falling behind in 1st halves, would be tougher to overcome 2nd weekend of tournament then this week.
 
jostar1 said:
That's what we need.
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That is exactly what UConn needs , more athleticism, ruggedness, toughness, to go along with the basketball skills. UConn's lack of D when Creighton was shooting 75% FG aggravated me to the core.
 
It's going to be very hard to pick St John's to make a run with the FT and 3PT shooting, but the rest of the field is extremely flawed this year so who knows what happens
 
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navery12 said:
It's going to be very hard to pick St John's to make a run with the FT and 3PT shooting, but the rest of the field is extremely flawed this year so who knows what happens
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They remind me a lot of 2023 SDSU, we’ll see what happens.
 
While I normally have little interest in St John's and also have little desire to see Pitino, the conference as a whole needs something besides us and Nova (if they can make the right hire to replace Neptune).

To give an idea of where the remainder of the conference has been:

The last current member (not named UConn or Villanova) to win a game in the final four was Butler (not even in the BE at the time) in 2011, which was a repeat of Butler's 2010 run.

The last current member (not named UConn or Villanova) to make the final four as a BE school was Georgetown in 2007, the only other appearance in the 2000's (it's 2025 by the way) was Marquette in 2003 (not a member at that time).

The last current member (not named UConn or Villanova) win a game in the final four was as a BE school was Seton Hall in 1989.

Below is a list of the historic final four presence of each of the other nine members:

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The results are pretty sparse, with much of it occurring prior to expansion to 64 (now 68) schools in the tournament.
 
gsmooth said:
Yup. I applauded the hire in 2023 while the NCAAT was going on. It wasn't a matter of it St John's was going to comeback, but when. This is great for the Big East.

I would love to know Hurley 's thoughts as he was watching St. John's defeated Creighton.
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I think the feeling around here was pretty close to unanimous that from a strictly X's and O's standpoint, Pitino was a great hire. As far as what Hurley is thinking, I wouldn't want to speculate. But I would be lying if I said I didn't feel a little something about Pitino coming into a program on the skids and building a top 10 team and winning a BE tournament in only 2 years. And who knows how far they'll go in the NCAA Tournament? They could very possibly be a final four team. It's not supposed to happen like this.

So, there may be a sense among fans and maybe coaches too that the new kid in town is very suddenly at the top of the heap and getting all the accolades while others have been slogging away trying to build something and reach some milestones. Of course, that's an antiquated way of thinking. We all understand how the complexion of college basketball has changed so dramatically that it really is possible to build a powerhouse in short time. But this quickly? Yep, like it or not. And there is no better example than Pitino and St. John's.
 
Scoe said:
Over a guy who tries to act smug and classy yeah I prefer an a hole who calls it like it is. If you can coach that's all that matters, what you or anyone else thinks of Pitino doesn't matter if your not in a jail cell you will coach.
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I mean, cool. He’s a terrible dude and a great coach. I already said that. I also remember that this program has won a quarter of the national championships this century so I’m not doing the “poor us I wish we were St. Johns” thing that some of you are. We’ll see how their tournament goes.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
While I normally have little interest in St John's and also have little desire to see Pitino, the conference as a whole needs something besides us and Nova (if they can make the right hire to replace Neptune).

To give an idea of where the remainder of the conference has been:

The last current member (not named UConn or Villanova) to win a game in the final four was Butler (not even in the BE at the time) in 2011, which was a repeat of Butler's 2010 run.

The last current member (not named UConn or Villanova) to make the final four as a BE school was Georgetown in 2007, the only other appearance in the 2000's (it's 2025 by the way) was Marquette in 2003 (not a member at that time).

The last current member (not named UConn or Villanova) win a game in the final four was as a BE school was Seton Hall in 1989.

Below is a list of the historic final four presence of each of the other nine members:

View attachment 107781

The results are pretty sparse, with much of it occurring prior to expansion to 64 (now 68) schools in the tournament.
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The Big Ten hasn't won a championship since 2000 and we should be worried about the amount of Final Fours the league has? C'mon...

There is no problem here for the Big East. Every conference is going to have their top 2 programs dominate the rest. What we need is for our top programs to stay competitive nationally consistently.
 
ecasadoSBU said:
The Big Ten hasn't won a championship since 2000 and we should be worried about the amount of Final Fours the league has? C'mon...

There is no problem here for the Big East. Every conference is going to have their top 2 programs dominate the rest. What we need is for our top programs to stay competitive nationally consistently.
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The B1G has layed an enormous goose egg since MSU and Mateen Cleeves. I'm not sure how that means Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence or any of the other schools outside of Nova (who needs a home run hire) and UConn has had any success this quarter century, nor do I see how that means those who want the BE as a whole to have credibility as a power conference wouldn't prefer seeing St John's and slick Rick succeed.
 
SwingDog said:
I think the feeling around here was pretty close to unanimous that from a strictly X's and O's standpoint, Pitino was a great hire. As far as what Hurley is thinking, I wouldn't want to speculate. But I would be lying if I said I didn't feel a little something about Pitino coming into a program on the skids and building a top 10 team and winning a BE tournament in only 2 years. And who knows how far they'll go in the NCAA Tournament? They could very possibly be a final four team. It's not supposed to happen like this.

So, there may be a sense among fans and maybe coaches too that the new kid in town is very suddenly at the top of the heap and getting all the accolades while others have been slogging away trying to build something and reach some milestones. Of course, that's an antiquated way of thinking. We all understand how the complexion of college basketball has changed so dramatically that it really is possible to build a powerhouse in short time. But this quickly? Yep, like it or not. And there is no better example than Pitino and St. John's.
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Or Louisville last year vs this year
 
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RuffRuff said:
That team had nothing that looked like the StJ big 3.
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That SDSU team made it to the national championship game. I'll believe this St John's team is capable of doing the same when I see it.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
That SDSU team made it to the national championship game. I'll believe this St John's team is capable of doing the same when I see it.
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That was a fairly flukey season - they got there by beating FAU in the semis, and a pretty good Creighton team in the Elite 8. They made you play ugly ball as opposed to this StJ team that can just impose themselves on you, using pressure. They didn’t have anything that looked like Kadari or Luis.
 
St. John’s has tied the record for most wins in BE play (18-2) and won a BET championship. Pressure is on to win the NCAAT
 
RuffRuff said:
That was a fairly flukey season - they got there by beating FAU in the semis, and a pretty good Creighton team in the Elite 8. They made you play ugly ball as opposed to this StJ team that can just impose themselves on you, using pressure. They didn’t have anything that looked like Kadari or Luis.
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Mmmm... that San Diego St. beat the #1 overall seed Alabama in the Sweet 16, too. That SDSU team was really good and gave UConn their toughest game as well in the 2023 NCAAT. UConn was only up 5 with 5 minutes left in that game before they broke away.
 
RuffRuff said:
That was a fairly flukey season - they got there by beating FAU in the semis, and a pretty good Creighton team in the Elite 8. They made you play ugly ball as opposed to this StJ team that can just impose themselves on you, using pressure. They didn’t have anything that looked like Kadari or Luis.
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They still made it further in the dance than any St John's team ever has. Again, I'll believe this St John's team can make a deep run when I see it. If they do, I'll admit I was wrong. I have a feeling however that if they don't, instead of admitting that you were wrong you'll just come up with some excuse.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I mean, cool. He’s a terrible dude and a great coach. I already said that. I also remember that this program has won a quarter of the national championships this century so I’m not doing the “poor us I wish we were St. Johns” thing that some of you are. We’ll see how their tournament goes.
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Why would anyone here wanna trade our position for St Johns? Well be fine. St Johns is clearly better than us this year, it's ok to admit that, give them credit.
 
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