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FfldCntyFan said:
Shaq would be gasping for air eight minutes into the first quarter and spend the final thirty minutes of the game under the offensive basket.

Shaq was physically impressive but arrived at a time when the remaining great centers were winding down their careers (Hakeem, Robinson and Ewing) and none of the new centers wanted anything to do with the low post.

If Shaq cam along 20+ years earlier and had to face Kareem, Thurmond, Lanier, Gilmore regularly he wouldn't be held in anywhere near the esteem people hold him in.

And before you criticize Russell's size, keep in mind that during Shaq's career Rodman (6'7" 220) was the best rebounder in the game.
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Prime Shaq did not have Eddy Curry’s conditioning, this is just disrespectful.
 
Deepster said:
Agree to disagree. From age 22-32, he averaged 37-38 min a game. He wasn't some plodding fat slob.

And Rodman wasn't a center. Bringing him up in an argument of Wilt, Shaq and Russell is irrelevant. Bill Russell would be giving away 110 lbs. I'll take my chances. Especially knowing Wilt threw him around for 30 and 23 every single time they played.
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Rodman not being a center is even more reason to question why he, not Shaq was leading the league in rebounds nearly every year.

Shaq in a lot of ways was basically an out of shape Bob Lanier, playing in a league with a few players with (near) center's bodies who wanted to face the basket all the time. Ben Wallace, at 6'9" 245 pushed Shaq around almost at will in the 2004 finals.

I would love to see Shaq at (pick an age: 22, 25, 28) play a few games against the likes of Thurmond, Lanier or Gilmore (great players who few of today's fan have a clue about) at a similar age. Things would turn out a bit differently than what many younger fans would have expected.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Rodman not being a center is even more reason to question why he, not Shaq was leading the league in rebounds nearly every year.

Shaq in a lot of ways was basically an out of shape Bob Lanier, playing in a league with a few players with (near) center's bodies who wanted to face the basket all the time. Ben Wallace, at 6'9" 245 pushed Shaq around almost at will in the 2004 finals.

I would love to see Shaq at (pick an age: 22, 25, 28) play a few games against the likes of Thurmond, Lanier or Gilmore (great players who few of today's fan have a clue about) at a similar age. Things would turn out a bit differently than what many younger fans would have expected.
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I don’t think you have the foggiest idea of what Shaq was physically under say the age of 32-33.
 
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B1GEast said:
I don't know what you mean. He was a DPOY, so he could check himself.
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Shaq picked Jordan for his starting five and asked people.tp find a.stsrtong five that could best his in a one game playoff.

The unspoken part of the game is you can't use any of the five players Shaq picked to build your team.
 
B1GEast said:
Kevin McHale? Really? I mean the guy was good, but there are probably 15 people that are much better that McHale.
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I'd like to see a list of 15 better PF's than McHale.

And specifically how they would match up against the Big Fundamental.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I'd like to see a list of 15 better PF's than McHale.

And specifically how they would match up against the Big Fundamental.
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Duncan
Kemp
Malone
Barkley
Oakley
Rodman
Nowitzki
KG
Rasheed Wallace
Webber
Moses Mallone
Otis Thorpe

Just take name a few that I would rather play before McHale.

McHale was a good power forward, definitely top 20, but if you're building the best line up, IMO, not many people would have him on the list
 
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B1GEast said:
Duncan
Kemp
Malone
Barkley
Oakley
Rodman
Nowitzki
KG
Rasheed Wallace
Webber
Moses Mallone
Otis Thorpe

Just take name a few that I would rather play before McHale.

McHale was a good power forward, definitely top 20, but if you're building the best line up, IMO, not many people would have him on the list
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Is this list a joke?

Duncan-Yes
Kemp-Hell no
Malone-Yes
Barkley-Yes
Hell no
Rodman-No
Dirk-Yes
KG-Yes
Rasheed Wallace-HELL NO
Webber-Borderline
Moses-Literally not a PF
Thorpe-Genuinely what are we doing?
 
B1GEast said:
Otis Thorpe
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Is this list a joke?

Duncan-Yes
Kemp-Hell no
Malone-Yes
Barkley-Yes
Hell no
Rodman-No
Dirk-Yes
KG-Yes
Rasheed Wallace-HELL NO
Webber-Borderline
Moses-Literally not a PF
Thorpe-Genuinely what are we doing?
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Yes, feel free to remove anyone you'd like. Whatever is left is way better than McHale
 
Deepster said:


Dirk is listed as 7’0”, 245. So taller and heavier than Russell.
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Now I know you're clueless.

You're argument is that because Shaq treated Dirk like a ragdoll he would have done worse to Russell?

Dirk did some things remarkably well but defending was never something he did at even an adequate level.

Additionally, in my five man scenario Bill plays the four, Wilt's playing center.
 
Deepster said:
I don’t think you have the foggiest idea of what Shaq was physically under say the age of 32-33.
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I seem to remember him not being able to do enough against Luc Longley to help the Magic win one game against the Bull in the 96 eastern finals.

I know that you don't have a clue about anyone who played in the NBA before 1980.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Rodman not being a center is even more reason to question why he, not Shaq was leading the league in rebounds nearly every year.

Shaq in a lot of ways was basically an out of shape Bob Lanier, playing in a league with a few players with (near) center's bodies who wanted to face the basket all the time. Ben Wallace, at 6'9" 245 pushed Shaq around almost at will in the 2004 finals.

I would love to see Shaq at (pick an age: 22, 25, 28) play a few games against the likes of Thurmond, Lanier or Gilmore (great players who few of today's fan have a clue about) at a similar age. Things would turn out a bit differently than what many younger fans would have expected.
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This is a brutally bad take.

It's so awful it must be trolling.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I seem to remember him not being able to do enough against Luc Longley to help the Magic win one game against the Bull in the 96 eastern finals.

I know that you don't have a clue about anyone who played in the NBA before 1980.
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Shaq averaged 27, 11, and 4 on 64% shooting that series. Longley averaged 7.5, 5.3, and 1 on 42% shooting that series. The Bulls had the much better team, the best record ever at the time and the best player ever.
 
Deepster said:
Bill Russell is listed as 6'10. 215.
Wilt is listed as 7'1", 275.
Shaq is listed as 7'1", 325.

Oh, and by the way, in their head to head matchups Wilt averaged 30.1 pts and 22.9 rebounds a game. Russell averaged 14.9 pts and 24.7 rebounds. In 1960, Chamberlain dropped 50 pts and 35 rebounds against him.

I'll take Shaq and his 110 pt weight advantage.
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In this NBA all 3 would get hacked everytime they got the ball. They were all awful at the line.
It would be very interesting to see them now. I would prolly take Jokic or Hakeem. If Embid could ever be healthy he might be the best of all of them.

Shaq 52.7% career ft
Wilt 51.1 %
Russel 56.1%
 
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superjohn said:
This is a brutally bad take.

It's so awful it must be trolling.
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superjohn said:
Shaq averaged 27, 11, and 4 on 64% shooting that series. Longley averaged 7.5, 5.3, and 1 on 42% shooting that series. The Bulls had the much better team, the best record ever at the time and the best player ever.
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Another board member who believes nothing that happened before 1980 in the NBA was of any value.

Shaq was a Hall of fame player, no question there. The thing is there were a few players a quarter century earlier (who weren't even the best in the game at that position) who would have matched up with Shaq far more favorably than most realize.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Another board member who believes nothing that happened before 1980 in the NBA was of any value.

Shaq was a Hall of fame player, no question there. The thing is there were a few players a quarter century earlier (who weren't even the best in the game at that position) who would have matched up with Shaq far more favorably than most realize.
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Right. Because we don’t agree with you that Shaq would be huffing and puffing trying to chase Artis Gilmore.
 
Deepster said:
Right. Because we don’t agree with you that Shaq would be huffing and puffing trying to chase Artis Gilmore.
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The A Train, Thurmond and Tree Rollins are three guys I'd like to see what they could defensively against Shaq.

I think Shaq treats Russell like Wilt did.

As a kid growing up in the 80's Russell was universally considered a top 3 player all-time. He's now hanging on to top 10 status.
 
Chin Diesel said:
The A Train, Thurmond and Tree Rollins are three guys I'd like to see what they could defensively against Shaq.

I think Shaq treats Russell like Wilt did.

As a kid growing up in the 80's Russell was universally considered a top 3 player all-time. He's now hanging on to top 10 status.
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Tree Rollins couldn't even handle Danny Ainge.
 
B1GEast said:
Duncan
Kemp
Malone
Barkley
Oakley
Rodman
Nowitzki
KG
Rasheed Wallace
Webber
Moses Mallone
Otis Thorpe

Just take name a few that I would rather play before McHale.

McHale was a good power forward, definitely top 20, but if you're building the best line up, IMO, not many people would have him on the list
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Agree most wouldn't have McHale as their starter.

Out of all the players you listed, the KG is the only other player I'd take over McHale for the specific task of guarding Duncan and being able to make Duncan work on defense.
 
If we keep to team-based, yes McHale would be PF on an all-Celtics squad, but not by everyone.

If it were all-time, any NBA but kept to position:

1. PG - Magic Johnson - pretty easily consensus best PG ever
2. SG - Michael Jordan - pretty easily consensus best SG ever
3. C - Wilt Chaimberlain - if this is for a one game matchup, then definitely - for a season: Kareem
4. PF - Tim Duncan - yes, he is nominally the best PF of all time
5. SF - Lebron James - c'mon

Bench would be Bird, Shaq, Karl Malone, Kobe, and AI.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
Agree most wouldn't have McHale as their starter.

Out of all the players you listed, the KG is the only other player I'd take over McHale for the specific task of guarding Duncan and being able to make Duncan work on defense.
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Absurd
 
Can I have my starting 5 wearing flubber sneakers or were those kicks outlawed?
 
Deepster said:
Right. Because we don’t agree with you that Shaq would be huffing and puffing trying to chase Artis Gilmore.
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The huffing and puffing would have been against Wilt, but Gilmore would have been able to run up and down the court a whole lot longer than Shaq.

Gilmore also would have had Shaq in foul trouble quite often. It would have been a nice matchup to watch. Different strengths but equally goid players.

Nice try however.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Can we also appreciate he said he would put Russell at the 4? Brother thinks it’s still 1947.
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As opposed to the modern methodology that placed Duncan at the four in the post that we were challenged to beat.

Wow, just wow.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
The huffing and puffing would have been against Wilt, but Gilmore would have been able to run up and down the court a whole lot longer than Shaq.

Gilmore also would have had Shaq in foul trouble quite often. It would have been a nice matchup to watch. Different strengths but equally goid players.

Nice try however.
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Shaq and Artis Gilmore are equally good players. Lolz
 
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