BE wants 14th football member per commish

[CAHUSKY]

It's actually not shocking at all to Penn State or Clemson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMU_Mustangs_football#National_championships

Back then, they had systems that were even worse than the BCS, if you can believe it. They had multiple systems that would vote the national champions. In fact, in 82, the Helms system voted SMU and Penn State co-champions. The AP poll and Coaches' poll both had Clemson and Penn State for '81 and '82 respectively, although there were many years where they did not agree as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleg...poll_championships_.281936.E2.80.93present.29

This was all evidence that a playoff system was absolutely necessary, even 30 years ago. However, money wins, not sensibility.

I hope that was good enough for you...

Believe it or not, I was in high school "back then" and absolutely no one on earth then, or now, has ever given any credence to the Helms System or National Championship Foundation. A nod as my uncle Franks "National Champion" would carry similar significance. The AP and Coaches poll were the only two entities that mattered and neither named SMU champion at any point.

 

[mavblues]

This - also from a Florida resident.

Lots of ignorance on this board re: UCF. They are a sleeping giant.

As an OT, my son just got his first official recruiting letter (for baseball), which happened to come from UCF...

 

[CL82]

Only one living soul knows the answer to questions like these...

That soul is...Conspiracy Kitty.

Conspiracy Kitty smiles knowingly but says nothing.

 

[Marty Jackson]

I agree with most of what you said, with the exception of UTSA. I don't know if UTSA would ever be more than perhaps the 7th best team in Texas, let alone a BCS type program. I agree 100% with what you've said about Fresno, Reno, and UNLV, though.

I think that BYU and would be great pickups, especially BYU. The question really is; if we get BYU and , how do we go to 16 and have it make sense? I don't think that Army makes sense, because they are just so daggone bad (insert Memphis joke here _____). Although they would have a large following and would be in the northeast, I see them more as a detractor than a positive addition...

Tulsa...

 

[Marty Jackson]

Can we please stop with Fresno? The school has horrible budget issues and the city is about to go completely broke. They literally have no idea how they can continue to pay for police and fire - who is going to live there to support the program?

If Prop 30 doesn't pass forget Fresno State - not just for football - just forget them.

so an additional $17-18M a year wouldn't help them?

 

[whaler11]

so an additional $17-18M a year wouldn't help them?

When your school in considering not allowing freshman to enroll and you've cut back the maximum credits per semester to 16 you aren't in a position to dedicate the resources required to implement.

They wouldn't get 17 or 18 million anyway - they would be football only and they don't bring enough to the table to increase the per team average. Why would a network spend $100 million+ over a decade for the rights to Fresno State football? That is what would have to happen to have the addition make sense.

The only schools worth adding would be those that would increase the average rake per team. The only school that even has a chance to do that is BYU.

The Big East isn't at a point where they need quantity to survive - they already have that. They need quality to market.

 

[pepband99]

Believe it or not, I was in high school "back then" and absolutely no one on earth then, or now, has ever given any credence to the Helms System or National Championship Foundation. A nod as my uncle Franks "National Champion" would carry similar significance. The AP and Coaches poll were the only two entities that mattered and neither named SMU champion at any point.

Tell that to Syracuse and Pitt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Panthers_football#Pitt_claimed Ugh.

Cuse (in basketball, but you get the idea)

 

[UConnDan97]

Tell that to Syracuse and Pitt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Panthers_football#Pitt_claimed Ugh.

Cuse (in basketball, but you get the idea)

It just speaks to the ridiculous nature of the polling / voting systems, and the fact that the NCAA really does need a playoff (as they are planning to install, to some degree). Nobody complains in 1-AA football about missing classes...

 

[UConnDan97]

Tulsa...

Tulsa's an interesting idea. It's one that I've thought about for a little while. I'm not sure what their market size is, but they have had a pretty decent quality football team for a while now, and it would open up some Oklahoma roads along with the Texas roads that we've just picked up.

Still, let's focus on BYU first. Then the / Tulsa thing could be the next step...

 

[uconnbill]

I would say BYU would be the best fit for football and not to bad for other sports.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Tell that to Syracuse and Pitt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Panthers_football#Pitt_claimed Ugh.

Cuse (in basketball, but you get the idea)

Youre example is 90 years old. Pehaps it meant something then. Not in the last 50.