BC Opposed the Inclusion of UCONN

[uconnbaseball]

After reading the Golbe article maybe it is time for Herbst to change gears about the future home for UConn athletics. UConn and Rutgers need to get together and market themselves to sell the fact they can bring the NYC
/NJ/CT tv market...and isolate BC. With the amount of financial business that is done in Boston they may even be able to push something like the BTN into the NE tv market. Be it the B-12 or B1G go that route instead of the ACC.

The Big 12 isn't coming, and Delany has already said they will not expand. We are in trouble unless GDF is fired and or dies (both realistic possibilities within the next 5 years).

I still think that if the ACC loses a member, we will be added to the ACC. We were 2nd in line apparently before BC shoved Pitt in front of us. That's the good news in all of this.

 

[TheRogers]

"UConn had already reached milestones that BC had not - including national championships in men’s and women’s basketball and a BCS bid in football."

Flipper....UCONN IS already New England's college team.

 

[Uptop]

I've been saying this for awhile but several people have been laughing at this idea.

Some people who laughed at my mentioning a veto should weigh in on this.

And yeah, I do think ESPN is exposed here--pretty badly.

Yes you have. And I for one believed you

You also said that espn would never allow the Big East to reject its low ball offer without a vindictive response. Now we know.

Thanks!

 

[TheRogers]

Maybe on the next go around, UCONN won't have much of an opposition....
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=165&f=4286&t=8048641

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

The validity of this article ended when it stated "the growing influence of BC in the ACC". That is patently not true. They have not brought the Boston market, they've forced the creating of the BC bowl rule in the ACC, have been little more than a consistently average performer in football, while being deadweight in basketball. There may be some truth to these reports, but Bladschun has been behind on these stories consistently, and he's a Boston writer pumping up a Boston team, this happens all of the time. I think what's more likely is that there was a combination of the southern football schools not wanting a perceived basketball school, no matter how much truth there is to that argument for pitt over us, and the conference as a whole wanting to take Pitt before the Big 12 swooped in. The reports stating Pitt was a target of the Big 12, and would have gotten away from the ACC were FAR more reliable and abundant in total than this one report from a Boston guy quoting Flipper saying that he blocked UConn. Plus, GDF himself may not be around BC much longer with his recent handling of the FB coaches and BB coach being nothing short of horrendous. All of their fans want him out.

 

[epark88]

Maybe on the next go around, UCONN won't have much of an opposition....
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=165&f=4286&t=8048641

I dunno, now I'm torn - it would be kinda neat to see what happens to BC in five years with GDF still at the helm...

 

[baggerbob]

BC was never relevant in football or basketball. From 1991-2003 when VT and MIAMI were in league only 4 schools won or shared football titles Miami 5 outright Syr 2 outright VT 1 outright WV 1 out right 1991 miami and syr 1995 VT and Miami 1996 3 way VT,Miami andSyr 2003 Miami andWV.

 

[Vowelguy]

Maybe things will cool when Calhoun retires. JC vowed to never play BC again ... People have good memories and are happy to see us squirm at the moment.

That is a minimal issue, if that.

The reason here is simple: BC does not want competition from UConn. Why is so hard for people to accept that? Their AD even came right out and said it!

It's not about hurt feelings; it's business and money. BC wants New England to itself, and does not want to be overshadowed by UConn. Case closed.

And, for the umpteenth time: BC does not need veto power. If they yell and scream against UConn, they probably can persuade the other schools to vote for a reasonable alternative (eg, Pitt), or push schools on the fence to the other side.

 

[BlueMAB]

I've been saying this for awhile but several people have been laughing at this idea.

Some people who laughed at my mentioning a veto should weigh in on this.

And yeah, I do think ESPN is exposed here--pretty badly.

I hope you aren't referring to me. I never laughed at the idea,I said I found it hard to believe the other schools couldn't persuade bcu to fall in line if uconn was that desirable over one of the other schools. If you are going to misrepresent my opinions maybe I should call you waylon.

 

[Pudge]

You need more than one school to block an invitation. If it was only BC, the votes would have been 11-1 and UConn would have been invited.

I think upstater answered this. Its a Veto ... but other schools go by it because they may need BC for other things. It is DeFilippo being DeFilippo.

And OUR BC posters here? What are you thinking? (go start looking for another board name)

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I still believe that either GD or MB is overstating BC's power as it very likely was unique to a very specific situation. The ACC needed to decide quickly and act just as quickly to secure their additions. One dissenting voice (especially one on the expansion committee) could easily have led to a few days of debate before reaching agreement on candidates. This would have killed any chance the ACC had at getting agreements before the B-12 meeting. If this had been a more normalized process BC would have had little power.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

read this: http://eagleoutsider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10341 even some of their own fans don't believe the whole story. that should tell you all you need to know about this.

 

[huskymedic]

read this: http://eagleoutsider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10341 even some of their own fans don't believe the whole story. that should tell you all you need to know about this.

Maybe... but once it's out there, other "journalists" will begin the deep dive and maybe heavy lifing (paging Yahoo Sports).

 

[HartbeatHusky]

Anyone who doesn't think that Basketball was a big part of this is ignoring reality. We know football drives the bus but Big East basketball was at a whole different level and if I was the ACC I'd want to destroy and steal that too.

 

[Hoophound]

read this: http://eagleoutsider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10341 even some of their own fans don't believe the whole story. that should tell you all you need to know about this.

Wow. You think opinions on that site are at all indicative of reality? They hate us. They never mention that Pitt spearheaded the lawsuit. They still think we are newcomers to basketball royalty after 22 years at the top. They are the smallest and most delusional group of inbreds you will find anywhere. All 20 BC fans are miserable, pitiful human beings. They dont like Bladschaun because he calls BC out for what it is, a mess shrouded in irrelevance and insecurity. I guarantee you, we will win this war because the brand we have is better than theirs. They know it and they are helpless to do anything about it so they try to cut us off through business moves rather than beat us on the field. BC is like a political candidate that digs up dirt on his opponent but never presents any ideas as to what he'll do when elected. They are a gross lot.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

They are idiots over there, but even some of them believe this article to be a load of BS. They all hate GDF too.

 

[Murph]

They are idiots over there, but even some of them believe this article to be a load of BS. They all hate GDF too.

They hate him (and the head coach) because their football team is putrid this year too.

 

[Adios]

If this idiot was smart, bringing in UConn would HELP BC. It would make New England crave collegiate sports more.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

They hate him (and the head coach) because their football team is putrid this year too.

they wanted him fired before this year started. it started with the handling of jags.

 

[Rumrunner]

I still think most people are missing the biggest revelation in the article. Everyone knows GDF hates UConn. Nor should it be a surprise that he blocked UConn as #13 or #14.

Rather GDF belittled Coach K, Duke and their president. A very large shot across tobacco road's bow.

DeFilippo was also insistent that the Duke influence was minimal. "Mike Krzyzewski didn't stop expansion the last time and he was not going to start expansion this time,'' said DeFilippo, who added that the mega-deals negotiated with the Big 12 and Pac-12 in recent months had caused an "unbelievable shift in the marketplace.''

"Did [Richard] Brodhead [Duke president] help with this thing? Sure, he's chair [of the expansion committee].''

 

[upstater]

You need more than one school to block an invitation. If it was only BC, the votes would have been 11-1 and UConn would have been invited.

Sigh. UConn never applied. The 75% number only applies to voting when a school seeks approval. BC essentially blackballed UConn in committee. No matter how many times this is said, people just don't get the difference.

 

[auggie22]

I wouldn't be surprised If UConn didn't necessarily oppose SYR and Pitt's early departure in exchange for their support should an ACC opportunity eventually present itself to UConn down the road.

Syracuse and Pitt cannot help Uconn in the next round on numbers alone. 75% of the votes in the current ACC is at least 9, in the new it is at least 10.5. Bottom line, it will still take only three votes to keep us out of the club. Perhaps they can lobby to get us included (not sure they would), but their votes can only hurt us.

 

[nomar]

He cites no source? WHHHHAAAA?

“We didn’t want them in,’’ he said. “It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.’’

In direct quotes BC didn't want them in.

I don't get your confusion. He meant an ACC source besides the self-serving DeFilip, obviously.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

Syracuse and Pitt cannot help Uconn in the next round on numbers alone. 75% of the votes in the current ACC is at least 9, in the new it is at least 10.5. Bottom line, it will still take only three votes to keep us out of the club. Perhaps they can lobby to get us included (not sure they would), but their votes can only hurt us.

And I am not certain that Cuse doesn't want us to whither away as well. They didn't mind us in the BE because it helped them have a viable conference but now that they got out I wouldn't count on them to help us with anything.

 

[auggie22]

Sigh. UConn never applied. The 75% number only applies to voting when a school seeks approval. BC essentially blackballed UConn in committee. No matter how many times this is said, people just don't get the difference.

agreed that bc did have influence in the way expansion in this round was shaped - 2/12 of the board were BC leadership (AD and Prez). Add Shalala to GDF and Father Leahy, and you have 25% of the expansion committee with a uconn dartboard in their office. Anyone who thinks that this level of membership opposition on an expansion committee is not significant influence, does not realize how committees work.

if their conf presidents have an issue with the job they have done, expect BC leadership to be booted off the commitee next time - otherwise, get used to the new and improved BE.

 

[TheRogers]

I dunno, now I'm torn - it would be kinda neat to see what happens to BC in five years with GDF still at the helm...

At the very least, there will be two BC moments to look forward to....Flipper's firing....and his reaction at our acceptance.

 

[noeynox]

And I am not certain that Cuse doesn't want us to whither away as well. They didn't mind us in the BE because it helped them have a viable conference but now that they got out I wouldn't count on them to help us with anything.

Exactly. Nothing has hurt SU football more than UConn and RU emerging. We're getting recruits they used to. SU was a real presence in CT recruiting, with UConn's move up they've pretty much been eliminated. SU will not be looking to do UConn any favors.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Add Shalala to GDF and Father Leahy, and you have 25% of the expansion committee with a uconn dartboard in their office.

No you don't. GDF and Leahy are from the same school, they get one vote. And is anyone listening to Shalala right now? Will she have a football team next year?

 

[upstater]

No you don't. GDF and Leahy are from the same school, they get one vote. And is anyone listening to Shalala right now? Will she have a football team next year?

Are you certain that there were votes in committee? Usually committees seek agreement, because a committee's job is to make recommendations to the larger organization.

 

[auggie22]

No you don't. GDF and Leahy are from the same school, they get one vote. And is anyone listening to Shalala right now? Will she have a football team next year?

we do not know if the expansion committee used a voting process to arrive at the final list of candidates that were presented to the ACC presidents - what we do know is that SU and Pitt were unanimously approved. and we know that the acc was looking for just two schools.

i thought leahy was on the expansion committee along with gdf and shalala - a quick internet search has proven me wrong. regardless i have to assume that the expansion committee is doing the heavy lifting on research, analysis, and ultimately, making a recommendation on fit - otherwise why would the presidents have created a separate committee? so if the committee is doing the heavy lifting on picking the two schools that would get an up or down vote, then having two people on that committee with an anti-uconn agenda is an impossible obstacle to overcome, particularly if they have other, acceptable candidates.

edit: replace goal with obstacle!