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You didn't answer the question, and UConn to the ACC is anything but dead.

Considering the ACC and ESPN are sitting down to work on a 14 team deal its pretty much dead.

To answer your question; If BC had a problem with Pitt, it really didnt matter. BC is not making policy in the ACC, if 10 schools wanted Rutgers/Pitt/Syracuse in the ACC, they would be in. You really think BC has enough power to keep someone out of the ACC?!
 
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My point is the schools in the big12 were more discrete and civil in their dealings . It was $.This is personal with Bc and that makes it worse.
 
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Considering the ACC and ESPN are sitting down to work on a 14 team deal its pretty much dead.

To answer your question; If BC had a problem with Pitt, it really didnt matter. BC is not making policy in the ACC, if 10 schools wanted Rutgers/Pitt/Syracuse in the ACC, they would be in. You really think BC has enough power to keep someone out of the ACC?!

I'd like to think that you're kidding and this post was meant to be as funny as it sounds, but I'm probably wrong.
 
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Expanding ACC will reopen ESPN deal


By Michael Smith & John Ourand, Staff Writers
Published September 26, 2011, Page 1
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Just three weeks into a new TV deal that already is considered well below market value, the Atlantic Coast Conference is getting a mulligan.

The conference is adding Big East Conference schools Syracuse and Pittsburgh, which will give it another crack at negotiating its media rights deal with ESPN. This time, the ACC expects to do much better than its current deal, which went into effect this football season.




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John Swofford saw the marketplace change after doing the ACC’s latest TV deal.
The opportunity to reopen its 12-year, $1.86 billion deal with ESPN was a significant factor in the ACC’s decision to expand with Syracuse and Pittsburgh, Commissioner John Swofford told SportsBusiness Journal. The ACC signed that media agreement in May 2010, but subsequent rights-fee deals signed by the Big 12 and Pac-12 were considerably richer than the ACC’s.

“The marketplace certainly has changed since we did our deal,” Swofford said.

The ACC’s contract with ESPN, which is valued at $155 million a year, contains a standard line called a “composition clause” that allows either the conference or ESPN to reopen the deal if membership increases or decreases by at least two schools. The conference or the network can act on that clause any time the conference’s membership changes by at least two schools.



What They're Saying

“We’ve had this constant feeling for the past year and a half that change was coming. There’s been a lot of instability out there. … Our group felt the prudent thing to do was to take a step forward with two schools that fit our profile. The beauty of where we are now is that we don’t need to do anything, but if something good comes along that brings tangible value, we’ll consider it.”

— ACC Commissioner John Swofford

“The traditional conference as we knew it has given way to more of a scheduling group for the purposes of marketing, TV and revenue production. Each conference used to have its own culture and was in large part formed by where you were geographically. Commerce flowed between those states and each conference had its own culture. With expansion, that’s no longer true.”
— Chuck Neinas, Big 12 interim commissioner and college consultant

“The networks certainly are paying for the number of games, but they also want games that mean something to the fans. That’s a big part of it. If a league is sufficiently diluted, there could be some economic impact. … We don’t think moving out of the Big 12 affects us that much. The Big Ten is tradition-rich and there are rivalries that mean a lot in that league. We’re excited about what will evolve there. At the same time, losing the Oklahoma game over the years certainly impacted our fans. You wouldn’t want to go down a path of losing too many of those rivalries. … I’m still not sure that it’s inevitable we’ll all move to this 16-team model. I think you’ll see that some conferences are more comfortable where they are.”

— Tom Osborne, Nebraska’s athletic director and legendary former football coach

“I’m as mystified as anyone. It really upsets me. There are times I want to call these people and say, ‘What in the world are you doing?’ I just don’t understand it.”
— Gene Corrigan, former ACC commissioner and athletic director at Notre Dame

The agreement does not permit the ACC to take its rights to the open market. But the addition of two schools does create the opportunity for a new negotiation and, undoubtedly, more money. If the two sides cannot come to an agreement, the deal would go to an arbitrator.

Swofford said he looks forward to meeting with ESPN soon, although he didn’t put a timetable on it. It’s still unclear when Syracuse and Pittsburgh will join the conference, which is when a new deal likely would kick in. Big East bylaws mandate that they have to wait 27 months before departing, but reports have indicated that the schools will negotiate with the conference to leave sooner.
It’s also unclear whether the ACC will add two more schools, taking its membership to 16, which also would affect any new deal.

Swofford was careful to refer to ESPN as the conference’s “partner” on several occasions throughout an interview with SportsBusiness Journal last week and said he expects the new round of talks to go smoothly. He clearly has expectations, though.

When asked if he anticipates the ACC’s per-school revenue of $12.9 million a year to increase from the current deal, Swofford said, “The simple answer is yes. We expect to do better than our schools staying even.”

In a statement sent to SportsBusiness Journal, ESPN said: “Conversations continue with our conference partners regarding conference composition clauses in our existing contracts. We are looking forward to discussions with the ACC.”

Officials representing ACC schools wouldn’t say exactly how much more money they expect, but industry executives suggest that the ACC’s new contract could increase in value by as much as $2 million per school per year, which would make the overall conference deal worth nearly $210 million a year.

The conference, of course, expects to do better, and it will use other conference deals as a gauge. The Pac-12 and Big Ten are at the top of the list, with media deals that average close to $21 million for each school annually. The SEC’s deal averages out to $17.1 million per school per year.

Even the beleaguered Big 12, which is trying to weather its latest round of defections, receives more per school than the ACC on average. The Big 12’s $150 million a year from separate deals with Fox and ESPN averages out to $15 million a school when divided by the 10 schools.

The Big East was scheduled to take its media rights to the open market next year, but its current instability could change that. In May, the Big East turned down an extension offer from ESPN that would have paid it $130 million a year. It’s not certain what the per-school allocation would have been in that deal because not all of the Big East’s members play football.

A new deal, for example, that would put the ACC’s 14 schools on par annually with the SEC schools would have to pay the conference $240 million a year, although industry experts question whether the ACC’s football can command that kind of money. Even when the deal was signed last year, the ACC’s contract with ESPN at $155 million annually fell far short of the SEC’s $205 million a year from CBS and ESPN, signed in 2008.

It was dwarfed even further this past May when the Pac-12 hammered out a deal for 12 years at $250 million a year, or $3 billion overall, establishing a new market for conference rights (see chart).

But Syracuse and Pittsburgh bring respectable football and elite basketball programs into the ACC, while also introducing new markets. Pittsburgh represents the nation’s 24th-largest TV market, while Syracuse ranks 84th.

“We really like the way these schools close the geographical gap,” Swofford said of the distance between the ACC’s base of schools in the south and Boston College. “That’s a real plus for us.”

One way for the ACC to convince ESPN to increase its rights fee would be to offer more rights in exchange. It’s likely that ESPN would want to extend the ACC’s deal by several more years, sources said.

“We’re going to sit down with ESPN and renegotiate as partners,” Swofford said. “We’ll see where that leads us, but we’re confident it will lead us to a good place. If we couldn’t agree — and that would be a big ‘if’ — it could go to arbitration. … Things need to settle down a bit [across the college landscape], but we’ll sit down soon.”

Swofford in the past has used IMG’s Barry Frank as a media consultant to the conference. He said no decisions have been made on a consultant for the next round of talks.

Wasserman Media Group’s Dean Jordan also has worked on media research for the conference.

The clause in the ACC-ESPN contract that permits the deal to be reopened is standard among college conferences. The SEC is expected to exercise its right to a new deal if it adds Texas A&M and another school, as reported. ESPN and Fox, meanwhile, could void the Big 12’s contract or ask the conference to give it a reduction in fees if it loses teams. Network sources say that is an unlikely option, especially if Texas remains in the conference.

The ACC-ESPN deal that went into effect this season pays about $4 million in new media revenue for each existing ACC school. Three percent escalators are built in annually.

 
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Considering the ACC and ESPN are sitting down to work on a 14 team deal its pretty much dead.

To answer your question; If BC had a problem with Pitt, it really didnt matter. BC is not making policy in the ACC, if 10 schools wanted Rutgers/Pitt/Syracuse in the ACC, they would be in. You really think BC has enough power to keep someone out of the ACC?![/quote
They blocked Uconn from being voted on. They were on a committe to chose who to vote on. They put up a stink about Uconn and offorod up pitt.
 

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I went to catholic school , grammar and high school in htfd for 12 yrs. And it never ceases to amaze me the actions, and decisions catholic establishments ( i.e. B. C. ) make! This isn't Texas we're dealing with. It's a catholic university . Am I supprised ? Absolutely not. Revenge, spitefulness, petty jealousy, gloating, arrogance, holding grudges, and bragging about it. !

Cut the crap. Whenever the conversation goes that way I suspect politics. Are you gay? Had 2 abortions? Snuff a puppy? Disappoint mommy and daddy like a cheap floozy?

If its the last thing we should hook up. I'll even buy your drinks.
 
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Cut the crap. Whenever the conversation goes that way I suspect politics. Are you gay? Had 2 abortions? Snuff a puppy? Disappoint mommy and daddy like a cheap floozy?

If its the last thing we should hook up. I'll even buy your drinks.
The answer to your infantile questions is no. And I dont drink. But if I did I would'nt drink with a pedofile priest or some one who defends them.
 

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Stop embarrassing yourselves. First religious cracks and now you're moving on to ethnic slurs. My God you husky fans are pathetic. Time to consider that Uconn just isn't that apealing to athletic conferences.
The poster in question has 19 messages all on conference realignment. It's a BC troll, quite possibly you. Kind of pitiful the way you guys have to troll here.
 

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The answer to your infantile questions is no. And I dont drink. But if I did I would'nt drink with a pedofile priest or some one who defends them.

It is impossible to take anyone seriously that has the avatar you have. I'm sorry.
 
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It is impossible to take anyone seriously that has the avatar you have. I'm sorry.
well, I'm sorry for you.... I think my son is adorable and proud of his adventure with a real tiger. I see nothing wrong with sharing his picture
BTW, what has that got to do with this thread?? Maybe you can't read and can only look at pictures? Forget it, waste of time arguing
 

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Son?

Hey, I don't care. I'm just letting you know that I think a lot of people have a hard time taking you seriously between that and, well, what you're arguing for (which is blatant Catholic-bashing). But to each their own.
 

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What viability, they suck in bball (lost to Harvard 3 years in a row). And there in the acc and were not! 1 an 5 in fball, their viable alright.

You do realize we're only one game better than BC right now. I wouldn't pound my chest too hard about their record.


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I went to catholic school , grammar and high school in htfd for 12 yrs. And it never ceases to amaze me the actions, and decisions catholic establishments ( i.e. B. C. ) make! This isn't Texas we're dealing with. It's a catholic university . Am I supprised ? Absolutely not. Revenge, spitefulness, petty jealousy, gloating, arrogance, holding grudges, and bragging about it. And these are the people that are supposed to lead us by their example. REALLY ! This school is run by a priest ! What happened to forgiveness, compassion, a sense of fair play. B.C. refuses to engage Uconn in athletics on an even playing field , because they have an ability to tilt the field in their favor. Legaly they can do this . Morally it can be considered cheating. "It's about protecting our turf". Sounds like something a gang member says after shooting a rival gang member. It's common for gangs and drug dealers to get rid of their competition. But a catholic university ? I know there are way more important things going on in our world today than sports, but it's a sad testament to the way things work in our world today. I wasn't expecting a catholic school to be any better than anyone else , but I didn't expect them to be worse. Publicly trying to humiliate Uconn, and bragging about being petty and spiteful are not redeeming qualities, neither is arrogance!
I don't think this post is fair. It's not about Catholic or anything else. People are people. Wars are fought by people of all religions. Everyone is in some religion or other. Why should Catholics be singled out?
 
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I'm not singling catholics out. Just the fact that Bc is a catholic school , and one should be able to hope for a more compasionate, forgiving, moral attitude. Because Bc is a catholic school. The catholic church is and has been run like a buisness, but it's not supposed to be. And decisions should not be predicated on $ alone at the expense of ethics, morals values of which the catholic church doesn't appear to have much of on this topic. I'ts all about the $ which is not suprising but extremely disappointing. My intent was not to insult catholics in general just the attitude of the church (Bc ) on the topic of money, their as bad as every one else when it comes to money. " Its about protecting my turf" said with attitude and arrogance.
 

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. My intent was not to insult catholics in general just the attitude of the church (Bc ) on the topic of money, their as bad as every one else when it comes to money. " Its about protecting my turf" said with attitude and arrogance.

They booked UMess for a series. Isn't that merciful? Isn't that compassionate? Isn't that kinda like a pity Fwck?
 

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Stop embarrassing yourselves. First religious cracks and now you're moving on to ethnic slurs. My God you husky fans are pathetic. Time to consider that Uconn just isn't that apealing to athletic conferences.
I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
 
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I'm not singling catholics out. Just the fact that Bc is a catholic school , and one should be able to hope for a more compasionate, forgiving, moral attitude. Because Bc is a catholic school. The catholic church is and has been run like a buisness, but it's not supposed to be. And decisions should not be predicated on $ alone at the expense of ethics, morals values of which the catholic church doesn't appear to have much of on this topic. I'ts all about the $ which is not suprising but extremely disappointing. My intent was not to insult catholics in general just the attitude of the church (Bc ) on the topic of money, their as bad as every one else when it comes to money. " Its about protecting my turf" said with attitude and arrogance.

BC has something like 3 Jesuits on its entire Board of Trustees, which is composed of about 20 people. BC is about as Catholic-in-name-only as a Catholic institution can get. Also, I realize this is a troll poster, just wanted to point that out.
 

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In fairness to BC, they did improve the ACC's hockey conference.

Did they move their other sports there, too? They seem to have disappeared.
 
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I don't think it's fair to generalize Catholic schools. BC happens to be a Catholic school that also behaves unethically.

I don't expect BC to make decisions in UConn's best interest. But they do seem petty, dishonest and yes they have a track record of this and it has been documented.

Also the OP is likely a BC troll.
 
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