Baylor Reveals This Season's "Ultra Competitive" Non Conference Schedule

[oldude]

Take a look at UConns schedule 20-25 years ago. It was not exactly loaded with top 15 opponents.

I assume your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek.

Otherwise, Statue of Limitations. Who have the Huskies been playing since they started winning championships?

 

[BroadwayVa]

I'm sorry but I just can't buy the "rebuilding year" excuse, particularly when you are a perennial top-10 team every year like Baylor. UConn was in a rebuilding year last season, and they took on everybody and anybody and came within a basket of the national finals. OK, I get that UConn is special, but teams like TX & UCLA also step up and schedule tough OOC opponents every year.

If Kim wants to stop "flaming out" every year in March, maybe she needs to start challenging her team in Nov & Dec.

You make a credible argument---But you use your base as Uconn--and you know Baylor isn't every going to think uconn!!
And to go further--you add rationality as with Tx or UCLA--we are discussing Kim!!
You, I would think, would believe that Kim does not want to take on the apparently superb Uconn team---and as she did last she jumped at the chance to take on Uconn when the team was DOWN.
Of course --I'm fun-- you a bit---and trying to make sense out of non-sense. If you have a better EXCUSE for Kim to do as she has--go for it!!..

 

[donalddoowop]

Wow! I laughed so hard I nearly chocked on my lunch LOL

chocking worse Chocking must be worse than choking. I can understand your feelings after looking at that pitiful schedule.

 

[donalddoowop]

Take a look at UConns schedule 20-25 years ago. It was not exactly loaded with top 15 opponents.

Was Uconn a top five team 25 years ago? That was 1992.

 

[HawkHusky]

Baylor and Maryland play in quality WBB conferences. They don't need to schedule top teams in the OOC like we do. Their OOC cupcakes are our in-conference cupcakes. Plain and simple really.

 

[HGN]

Kim may feel that she's doing the smaller schools a favor since Baylor has to pay them to take that beating..... Small schools take the game to help make budget.

Kim obviously feel that Baylor will make the NCAA Tournament either way. And once in play their way to the FF......Lower seed and a harder path though.

JMHO.

 

[Geew1992]

That's true, but you can't prepare for the rigors of BIG12 play by dining on a steady diet of cupcakes and twinkees. Remember...iron sharpens iron!!!
It's impossible for any team to improve and get better by playing a team that is inferior. There's nothing they can do to help your team improve.
How does beating a cupcake at home by 80 points help your team get better?

I was responding to SC gamecock who said their OCC schedule wouldn't be that challenging but more challenging than Baylors.

I went into the Baylor board and was like wow!!

 

[SCGamecock]

South Carolina will play USF this year too.

Has that been confirmed? How do you know this?

 

[SCspur]

Has that been confirmed? How do you know this?

We will play them in the Gulf Coast Showcase.

 

[oldude]

You make a credible argument---But you use your base as Uconn--and you know Baylor isn't every going to think uconn!!
And to go further--you add rationality as with Tx or UCLA--we are discussing Kim!!
You, I would think, would believe that Kim does not want to take on the apparently superb Uconn team---and as she did last she jumped at the chance to take on Uconn when the team was DOWN.
Of course --I'm fun-- you a bit---and trying to make sense out of non-sense. If you have a better EXCUSE for Kim to do as she has--go for it!!..

FEAR. I am reminded of the look that Kim had at the end of the Regional final vs MS St, when it became apparent that the Bulldogs were more than a match for the Bears. Kim appeared paralyzed with fear and indecision as Vic Schaefer, Morgan William and her teammates were taking down mighty Baylor.

There's no fear to deal with when you're playing Winthrop.

 

[donalddoowop]

Baylor and Maryland play in quality WBB conferences. They don't need to schedule top teams in the OOC like we do. Their OOC cupcakes are our in-conference cupcakes. Plain and simple really.

According to the NCAA Seletion Committee teams need to have a tough OOC schedule to get a high seed for the NCAA Tournament. It hurt Maryland last season. However, I agree with your reasoning about them having a tough conference schedule.

 

[HopJim]

Take a look at UConns schedule 20-25 years ago. It was not exactly loaded with top 15 opponents.

Nice to see some humor on Board.

 

[HopJim]

Baylor and Maryland play in quality WBB conferences. They don't need to schedule top teams in the OOC like we do. Their OOC cupcakes are our in-conference cupcakes. Plain and simple really.

Interesting logic. Agree to a point but overall confusing decision to schedule these schools. Baylor's 2nd team provides more competition than these out of league schools. Why bother? No value except to develop bad habits and risk injury.

 

[oldude]

Baylor and Maryland play in quality WBB conferences. They don't need to schedule top teams in the OOC like we do. Their OOC cupcakes are our in-conference cupcakes. Plain and simple really.

The BIG was the sixth rated conference last year behind the AAC. MD's weak SOS earned it a 3 seed in the Bridgeport region where they were upset by Oregon.

The Big 12 was the 4th rated conference, just ahead of the AAC. After you get past Baylor, TX and maybe OK, the rest of the Big 12 is fair at best. If Baylor loses a game or 2 as MD did last year, the selection committee will make them pay with a higher seed and a trip somewhere they don't want to be.

As I said earlier in this thread, I would love to see them in Albany,NY in March. That would be Kim's worst nightmare.

 

[Shorty Dee]

Has that been confirmed? How do you know this?

Yes, it's been confirmed. I read about it. At the time of the article, USF and South Carolina were still trying to come up with the date.

 

[EricSD]

Mulkey wants 600 wins faster than Geno. Motivation for a cupcake schedule.

That's kind of funny but I can't imagine that she really thinks this. Geno is 991-135 - .880 winning %. Kim is at 506-96 - .841%.

The fastest coach to reach 600 wins is Nancy Fahey, current head coach of the Illinois Fighting Illini, who reached the mark in her 706th game as coach of the Division III Washington (MO) Bears. Nancy was 600-106. Kim would have to go 94-10 over the next 3 years or so - certainly possible, but not likely as I would expect 3-4 losses each year plus another one in the NCAA's.

I don't think any coach will come close to Geno's all time winning %. Kim, for example, would need to go 485-39 over the next 14 years averaging less than 3 losses per year during that time frame. Highly unlikely...

 

[CBus13]

C'mon folks. Kim is just trying to save some coin on her dry cleaning bill.
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Me looking at that Lady Bear's tough schedule.

 

[UConnNick]

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I was describing the dollar value Husky NAN provide to me when I posted ---they got 60,000 or so for these games--I believe NAN's value was 17000 --to me minimal to travel, hotel, eat, etc away from home for 2 or 3 days. Hardly 5 times most teams, even Div 3--for any year. To me that 17000 number is MINIMAL.
Don't shoot the messenger--I was posting the correction handed to me when I posted i THOUGHT I HEARD THEY RECEIVED 60,000 MORE OR LESS.

I think $60k is likely a figure that might be an average of what gets paid by the big boys on the men's side when they schedule one time, no return game opponents at home. I know several seasons ago the UConn men had a last second vacancy on the schedule, and we contracted with Morehead State (alma mater of Phil Simms) to play a game at Gampel for $90k, but I think that payout was unusually high. We were kind of stuck because we couldn't find anybody else that was willing to work that game into their schedule. Morehead State did it because of the enhanced payday involved. It put them into total scheduling hell. They had to criss cross the entire country in a week's time, playing something like four games in seven days, some on the west coast. The low major schools chase these type of games for the big $$$ they make for them.

I would guess on the women's side that the payouts are lesser, so maybe $17k or something around the $20k plus or minus mark would be typical. It would seem they still must consider them worth it or they wouldn't bother to schedule them. Most of these schools don't seem to care much about travel expenses, and sometimes they're traveling to a venue that's pretty close to home for them.

 

[JordyG]

Isn't one of the definitions of insanity repeating the same non productive behavior while expecting a different outcome?

 

[Vowelguy]

According to the NCAA Seletion Committee teams need to have a tough OOC schedule to get a high seed for the NCAA Tournament. It hurt Maryland last season. However, I agree with your reasoning about them having a tough conference schedule.

Not exactly.
Strength of schedule is ONE of the factors that the committee considers.
It also is relevant in terms of quality wins. If you havent proven you can be anyone during the season, the committee is not going to assume you are a top team.

 

[Nuyoika]

Kim is brilliant..... She has been around long enough to know how to play the scheduling game with the committee. She knows she can get away with it because of the RPI for the B12 although it's not as good as it has been in the past... That being said she likely is perfectly fine with getting the 2 seed in the tourney because if you have the talent getting a 2 instead of a 1 won't make much difference in competition usually. Now if she gets a 3 seed like Maryland did last year she might literally blow a gasket.

 

[Vowelguy]

UConn scheduling history vs ranked opponents
1993 - 3 OOC, 2 conf
1994 - 3 OOC, 0 conf
1995 - 2 OOC, 2 conf
1996 - 6 OOC, 0 conf
1997 - 4 OOC, 1 conf
1998 - 4 OOC, 0 conf

for simplicity, I used the preseason rankings

 

[Sonny44]

Baylor and Maryland play in quality WBB conferences. They don't need to schedule top teams in the OOC like we do. Their OOC cupcakes are our in-conference cupcakes. Plain and simple really.

In life you are defined by not by your abilities, but by your choices. Neither Baylor nor UCONN has a choice of conference opponents. UCONN WCBB isn't in the AAC by choice either.
Choosing only cupcakes to falsely inflate your record? Well the program should be embarrassed.

 

[oldude]

In life you are defined by not by your abilities, but by your choices.

Great quote. You must be a Harry Potter fan.

 

[BroadwayVa]

I think $60k is likely a figure that might be an average of what gets paid by the big boys on the men's side when they schedule one time, no return game opponents at home. I know several seasons ago the UConn men had a last second vacancy on the schedule, and we contracted with Morehead State (alma mater of Phil Simms) to play a game at Gampel for $90k, but I think that payout was unusually high. We were kind of stuck because we couldn't find anybody else that was willing to work that game into their schedule. Morehead State did it because of the enhanced payday involved. It put them into total scheduling hell. They had to criss cross the entire country in a week's time, playing something like four games in seven days, some on the west coast. The low major schools chase these type of games for the big $$$ they make for them.

I would guess on the women's side that the payouts are lesser, so maybe $17k or something around the $20k plus or minus mark would be typical. It would seem they still must consider them worth it or they wouldn't bother to schedule them. Most of these schools don't seem to care much about travel expenses, and sometimes they're traveling to a venue that's pretty close to home for them.

Suppositions are fun, facts are better. A number of years ago Geno or CpTV or Currant reported the fee some WOMEN's team was being paid to play uconn--
that I wrote on the Boneyard last fall when Geno paid for cupcakes to come.
I was corrected by Husky Nan
Cocohusky--Corrected that by saying he saw checks for lullyvull and others worth 5 times their annual fees

Is what you are saying verifiable? If so where--
Forget men's team--we rarely discuss men's teams here--and i don't discuss them at all.
At this point MAYBE'S Don't do it for me---with all the suppositions/guessing--it's time for FACTS.

I appreciate your input ---but you are where we were when this started. Thanks.

 

[BroadwayVa]

In life you are defined by not by your abilities, but by your choices. Neither Baylor nor UCONN has a choice of conference opponents. UCONN WCBB isn't in the AAC by choice either.
Choosing only cupcakes to falsely inflate your record? Well the program should be embarrassed.

Good thing Einstein--wasn't judged by his Choices. HIs early personal life wasn't perfect. His MATH and Physics abilities changed many theories and beliefs--and with an explosive nature.
Grant--a drunk to some--his abilities saved the North for Lincoln--his personal choices were not always great.
Lee--bad choice to leave the US Army---with minimal supplies and under staffed Army--with his abilities--almost defeated the Yankee.

No argument---life is full of choices--but if we were all defined by only our bad ones--we'd have no hero's or leaders.
I have made bad choices--that's what humans do--and this may be one ot them.

As to falsely inflating your record---isn't that what Kim's intentions are or Md's last year?? As Vowel guy pointed out, Geno years ago??
I doubt VG said that in jest--I remember thinking that back then.

 

[BroadwayVa]

UConn scheduling history vs ranked opponents
1993 - 3 OOC, 2 conf
1994 - 3 OOC, 0 conf
1995 - 2 OOC, 2 conf
1996 - 6 OOC, 0 conf
1997 - 4 OOC, 1 conf
1998 - 4 OOC, 0 conf

for simplicity, I used the preseason rankings

Point and counter point. Geno did schedule CC's along with warmup's.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Isn't one of the definitions of insanity repeating the same non productive behavior while expecting a different outcome?

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There has been a lot of that going on---for centuries---

 

[JoePgh]

I assume your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek.

Otherwise, Statue of Limitations. Who have the Huskies been playing since they started winning championships?

It isn't just 25 years ago that UConn played cupcakes (in quantity) in their OOC schedule. I've been following UConn since 2004-2005, and I remember many games in November and December that were completely pointless, against opponents like Fairleigh Dickinson, Oakland (Michigan), and Holy Cross. That only stopped when the Big East ended and Geno had to beef up the OOC schedule because the AAC schedule was (and still is, except for USF and Temple) so pathetically weak.

I have a distinct recollection of a Thanksgiving tournament at either Storrs or the Hartford Civic Center in approximately the 2010 era when all three opponents on the weekend were at the level of Fairleigh Dickinson. Supposedly the rationale was indeed based on revenue -- UConn could expect at least 8,000 even for a non competitive home game, and with that level attendance, they could afford to pay some cupcake to play them at home. Doing that was more lucrative for the program than scheduling a home-and-home against a good team, because it didn't involve travel costs and (very often) lousy attendance and therefore lousy revenue at the Away game.

Baylor does have two fairly good teams on its OOC schedule: UCLA and Kentucky. That's about as many as Geno had in some years while UConn was still in the Big East.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

Great..... Baylor and Maryland bashing in the same thread. All we need now is some UNC and TN bashing in here .... and I will be a happy soul

triaddukefan- - - Sylvia Hatchell at 1/2 of UCONN @ NoCar game 4 or 5 years ago was asked about the 22 turnovers her team had at the half in a 25 point deficit. "I don't care if we have 100 to's as long as we play fast!"
And as to TN, we don't have to bash TN as they do it to themselves with Holly Warlick as their HC!