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Chief is breaking another story about return to campus.
UConn’s current return plan for the on campus student body is poorly designed. It requires a crazy two week quarantine, which will just encourage the worst party behavior.
Chief has checked around with my contacts at other D1 schools and the “Best Practice” seems to be: Require all students to be tested BEFORE their return to campus. Then have them tested again on campus after a certain period of time. This avoids the counterproductive two week quarantine disaster in the making.
 

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Chief is breaking another story about return to campus.
UConn’s current return plan for the on campus student body is poorly designed. It requires a crazy two week quarantine, which will just encourage the worst party behavior.
Chief has checked around with my contacts at other D1 schools and the “Best Practice” seems to be: Require all students to be tested BEFORE their return to campus. Then have them tested again on campus after a certain period of time. This avoids the counterproductive two week quarantine disaster in the making.
After another period of time of not being around other people...say, about two weeks or so?
 
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Chief, please stick to basketball commentary. That creates more than enough conversation here. You cant possibly fit in being an expert on contagious diseases on top of all the recruiting that you do for the school. Plus I assume you have "real" job too. Not sure where you get the time to sleep.
 

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I am betting more schools may rethink opening campuses until January.
Definitely, especially southern schools. Nobody really knows but basically everything is being pushed back and college campuses could potentially become hotbeds. Think of how fast it is spreading in bars.
 

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Honestly, I am starting to get to the point that I feel like the only way we will be able to have college sports this fall/winter is if those players are together without other students on campus. The return to school is asking for Covid spread
 
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Honestly, I am starting to get to the point that I feel like the only way we will be able to have college sports this fall/winter is if those players are together without other students on campus. The return to school is asking for Covid spread

Reopening will cause an uptick in cases among young and working aged people. There’s no way around it. It comes down to cost-benefit analysis from the experts.

Here’s a great article from the American Academy of Pediatrics. It discusses mostly grades K-12 but some can be related to college kids: https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2...ons-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

The two quotes that stick out to me...
“the AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school.”

“Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection.“
 
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Chief is breaking another story about return to campus.
UConn’s current return plan for the on campus student body is poorly designed. It requires a crazy two week quarantine, which will just encourage the worst party behavior.
Chief has checked around with my contacts at other D1 schools and the “Best Practice” seems to be: Require all students to be tested BEFORE their return to campus. Then have them tested again on campus after a certain period of time. This avoids the counterproductive two week quarantine disaster in the making.

LOL
Your contacts at other D1 schools are saying what?
How is any of this going to make any difference whatsoever. You can get sick AFTER you test.
 
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Reopening will cause an uptick in cases among young and working aged people. There’s no way around it. It comes down to cost-benefit analysis from the experts.

Here’s a great article from the American Academy of Pediatrics. It discusses mostly grades K-12 but some can be related to college kids: https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2...ons-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

The two quotes that stick out to me...
“the AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school.”

“Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection.“

Are college aged kids part of this cohort? Because the data is showing it is people in their early 20s who are getting it in increasing #s around the country. Which makes sense with reopenings.
 
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After another period of time of not being around other people...say, about two weeks or so?

And what about students who live off campus? or commuters? or faculty who spread it? or people who aren't testing positive yet because they just contracted it?

In those dorms, all it takes is one single student.
 
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Are college aged kids part of this cohort? Because the data is showing it is people in their early 20s who are getting it in increasing #s around the country. Which makes sense with reopenings.

It’s mostly elementary and secondary school-aged kids mentioned here. However college kids are only 1-2 years removed from HS so I’m sure some of it will be relatable.

Those in their 20s and 30s have a near zero death rate of the virus. I think that’s the silver lining in the recent outbreaks. Cases are going up for those in their 20s and 30s but we just had the lowest number of deaths since March 25th. Case numbers are going up and death rate is going down. Still have to protect the vulnerable, though, that’s the most important thing.
 

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My wife is a teacher at a HS. The current game plan is to have teachers wipe down the class rooms between classes. Also, all students must wear a mask throughout the day.

Try telling a 1st grader to keep the mask on all day.

Parents don't want the kids home. And they will be the first to btch and moan when the schools are not properly able to handle this lack of social distancing and mask requirment.
 

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My feeling is School is not happening this fall semester. I'm a TA and researcher, some labs are planning to be shut down by september first. Things are just nuts in the country right now, CT is one of the few states that is doing well and its awesome to be here, unfortunately the rest of the country is not and were going to be in bad shape come fall. Im saying no in person this fall semster, I hope I'm wrong.
 

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Chief is breaking another story about return to campus.
UConn’s current return plan for the on campus student body is poorly designed. It requires a crazy two week quarantine, which will just encourage the worst party behavior.
Chief has checked around with my contacts at other D1 schools and the “Best Practice” seems to be: Require all students to be tested BEFORE their return to campus. Then have them tested again on campus after a certain period of time. This avoids the counterproductive two week quarantine disaster in the making.

Lol this is a true narcissist at work. Long time lurker here. Stick to Your extremely basic understanding of policy and academic bureaucracy and nothing else. As an MD, I can tell you there is no such thing as “best practice” here. It’s a nonsensical term to begin with, but especially so here. This is uncharted territory. Your narcissistic and elitist views have no application here, and if the university were to heed your advice over that of the experts, they would be making a huge mistake. There may be a “common practice,” but the “Best practice” is to be determined.
 
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Chief, please stick to basketball commentary. That creates more than enough conversation here. You cant possibly fit in being an expert on contagious diseases on top of all the recruiting that you do for the school. Plus I assume you have "real" job too. Not sure where you get the time to sleep.
My advice to you is to read source documents. Not just stories referring to studies that some millennial writer without a science background may correctly/incorrectly categorize, but the studies themselves. Chief has been a STEM guy all his life - before that label even existed - so science like basketball is a passion. Passions you always find time for and are easy work.
Also, some business advice. If you want to get something done, give it to a busy person. That may seem counterintuitive but a successful busy person is organized, focused and possesses other skill sets that are applied to a task and gets them done. A person who just hangs out doesn’t usually have the capacity or know how to do any of that.
 
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Lol this is a true narcissist at work. Long time lurker here. Stick to Your extremely basic understanding of policy and academic bureaucracy and nothing else. As an MD, I can tell you there is no such thing as “best practice” here. It’s a nonsensical term to begin with, but especially so here. This is uncharted territory. Your narcissistic and elitist views have no application here, and if the university were to heed your advice over that of the experts, they would be making a huge mistake. There may be a “common practice,” but the “Best practice” is to be determined.
I think you are mischaracterizing the term “best practice”. You seem to view it as a static, fixed state concept and it’s inherently not that. A “best practice” is by definition dynamic and as part of that “practice” has a mechanism that incorporates and handles change.
Just this weekend Chief was in a very interesting conversation with people from both the public and private sectors including consultants. Since 9/11, corporations have “best practice” business continuity plans that the better corporations test and update every year - you should be able to throw old and new disaster scenarios up against these plans and have a workable outcome. A “best practice” plan can NOT anticipate the specific future unknown disaster (in this case the COVID-19 pandemic), but it should have been built with enough flexibility to handle it in the designed process. I hope that helps clarify.
As an aside, the college that adopted that testing plan was advised by some of the top public health experts.
 
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My feeling is School is not happening this fall semester. I'm a TA and researcher, some labs are planning to be shut down by september first. Things are just nuts in the country right now, CT is one of the few states that is doing well and its awesome to be here, unfortunately the rest of the country is not and were going to be in bad shape come fall. Im saying no in person this fall semster, I hope I'm wrong.

Nuts would be shutting things down. The virus is spreading, there won't be a vaccine in time to stop that. These shutdowns are not only immensely costly, their primary effect (if they work) is to delay the spread of coronavirus into the winter cold & flu season when the consequences are worse (lethality up to 10-fold higher).
 
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And what about students who live off campus? or commuters? or faculty who spread it? or people who aren't testing positive yet because they just contracted it?

In those dorms, all it takes is one single student.
Agree, and that’s why it’s better to test all students before and a brief period into the semester than the two week quarantine UConn is currently favoring. I hope and I pray they change their minds and go with the two step testing.
 
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What news specifically are you breaking?
I recognize the 2 week UConn on campus resident quorentine has been communicated. The news is that other colleges have come up with a better approach using the two test approached I discussed. These schools plan to get state approval and release their plans soon.
 

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It’s mostly elementary and secondary school-aged kids mentioned here. However college kids are only 1-2 years removed from HS so I’m sure some of it will be relatable.

Those in their 20s and 30s have a near zero death rate of the virus. I think that’s the silver lining in the recent outbreaks. Cases are going up for those in their 20s and 30s but we just had the lowest number of deaths since March 25th. Case numbers are going up and death rate is going down. Still have to protect the vulnerable, though, that’s the most important thing.
Good news if the death rate is going down, but have you read about the effects of the illness on many of those who get it? There is an alarming number of people who have had the illness and its attendant symptoms, who then tested negatively, but for months after, have experienced digestive problems, severe headaches, and persistent weakness and they are not all elderly.

Medical experts have opined that the virus alters body organs and their functions for a long period afterwards, and possibly permanently.

Yes, school opening is a risk-benefit issue. No easy solutions. Hopefully, an effective vaccine or treatment.
 
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