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Actually, the ACC/ESPN lost the case big time that FSU/Clemson brought...

The Wizard behind the curtain was exposed...

1...the GOR binding through 2036 as was put forth...is no longer a stopper for leaving.

  • The cost to exit the ACC before the end of the current grant of rights agreement (2036) will be reduced. The fee will start at $165 million for the 2026 fiscal year, decreasing by $18 million annually until reaching a flat $75 million in 2030-31.

  • Departing schools will retain their media rights when they pay the reduced exit fee.

FSU got what they wanted...more money, an admittance that they could leave with all rights...by paying an amount that was negotiated and which decreases yearly. And nobody will have to wait until 2036.
 
billybud said:
Actually, the ACC/ESPN lost the case big time that FSU/Clemson brought...

The Wizard behind the curtain was exposed...

1...the GOR binding through 2036 as was put forth...is no longer a stopper for leaving.

  • The cost to exit the ACC before the end of the current grant of rights agreement (2036) will be reduced. The fee will start at $165 million for the 2026 fiscal year, decreasing by $18 million annually until reaching a flat $75 million in 2030-31.

  • Departing schools will retain their media rights when they pay the reduced exit fee.

FSU got what they wanted...more money, an admittance that they could leave with all rights...by paying an amount that was negotiated and which decreases yearly. And nobody will have to wait until 2036.
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Agreed. While FSU's Perception may have taken a minor hit in the media, they ultimately got what they wanted with the suit. A clear understanding of the ACC GOR. 2030 will be chaos. The Noles, Canes, Heels, and Tigers will all likely be on the move. Some combination of others like VPI, GT, Pitt, Ville, NCSU, Stanford and Cal could find themselves elsewhere as well. Ultimately, I think it opens up a spot for The Huskies in a reconfigured ACC, which could still be an attractive East Coast football & basketball option.
 
Ldandy said:
Agreed. While FSU's Perception may have taken a minor hit in the media, they ultimately got what they wanted with the suit. A clear understanding of the ACC GOR. 2030 will be chaos. The Noles, Canes, Heels, and Tigers will all likely be on the move. Some combination of others like VPI, GT, Pitt, Ville, NCSU, Stanford and Cal could find themselves elsewhere as well. Ultimately, I think it opens up a spot for The Huskies in a reconfigured ACC, which could still be an attractive East Coast football & basketball option.
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You know...Clemson's board meetings are closed and not open to public or reporters....the reason FSU seems almost alone in this suit (in public perception) is because of Florida's laws. Every meeting between two or more BOT members must be publicly noticed in Florida and proceedings are open to the public/press.

Clemson's BOT was free to discuss, table bang, or whatever...we will never know because the proceedings are kept secret.

But it is FSU's tenacity that did expose the ACC's secretive manipulations regarding the GOR, ESPN Agreement, the hidden clause in the ESPN Agreement that the ESPN Contract ended in 2027 unless extended in 2021....The ACC tried to hide that and the lawyers caught them....and thus a settlement. ACC/ESPN probably didn't relish the idea of John Skipper and Swofford on the stand being questioned regarding Swofford's insistence on Raycom as a sub (and the re-examiniing of his son as a Raycom exec.)

I think it was a learning experience for FSU...in that you can't sign things without review, pesky public information laws or not. And when your contract partners keep the actual documents a top code, red letter top secret...you know that something is rotten in Denmark.

But FSU was always the red headed step child of the ACC....winning 10 of the first 11 ACC football championships after their entrance rubbed the proud Carolina crowd the wrong way...and then a study was initiated and published illustrating the ACC's attempts to hobble the strong football teams via officiating. The officiating turned around some when it became clear that it was being reviewed by outside consultants.

My fate cries out,
And makes each petty artery in this body
As hardy as the Nemean lion’s nerve.
Still am I call’d. Unhand me, gentlemen.
 
Hamilton isn't wrong...although he is a Charleston based writer tagged as a "Coot" by Clemson fans (a Coot is a Gamecock fan).

Anybody that is a fan of college football saw the marriage of ESPN to the SEC was creating this future. Exclusive airing rights, primary product, TV talking heads that tout the product "owned by the ESPN". it isn't just the SEC. It is the union of a network with what they acknowlege is a primary product.

Having networks televising games of certain conferences as a primary product while also having sports news/talk shows that hype the network's holdings has led us to where we are. A business will promote it's wares over those of another company.

The ACC, and maybe the PAC, and B12, have to have seen where this would lead. I know that the FSU BOT did years ago but was told that, until 2036, they had to just quietly toe the line. Until FSU and Clemson decided to do a Butch and Sundance...jump together off the cliff into the river yelling "yehaw". Dead if you don't...maybe dead if you do...yehaw !
 
billybud said:
You know...Clemson's board meetings are closed and not open to public or reporters....the reason FSU seems almost alone in this suit (in public perception) is because of Florida's laws. Every meeting between two or more BOT members must be publicly noticed in Florida and proceedings are open to the public/press.

Clemson's BOT was free to discuss, table bang, or whatever...we will never know because the proceedings are kept secret.

But it is FSU's tenacity that did expose the ACC's secretive manipulations regarding the GOR, ESPN Agreement, the hidden clause in the ESPN Agreement that the ESPN Contract ended in 2027 unless extended in 2021....The ACC tried to hide that and the lawyers caught them....and thus a settlement. ACC/ESPN probably didn't relish the idea of John Skipper and Swofford on the stand being questioned regarding Swofford's insistence on Raycom as a sub (and the re-examiniing of his son as a Raycom exec.)

I think it was a learning experience for FSU...in that you can't sign things without review, pesky public information laws or not. And when your contract partners keep the actual documents a top code, red letter top secret...you know that something is rotten in Denmark.

But FSU was always the red headed step child of the ACC....winning 10 of the first 11 ACC football championships after their entrance rubbed the proud Carolina crowd the wrong way...and then a study was initiated and published illustrating the ACC's attempts to hobble the strong football teams via officiating. The officiating turned around some when it became clear that it was being reviewed by outside consultants.

My fate cries out,
And makes each petty artery in this body
As hardy as the Nemean lion’s nerve.
Still am I call’d. Unhand me, gentlemen.
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FSU's Leadership could have handled things better publicly then they did. A few came off like pouting children at times, but ultimately, they procured the info that they needed. I'm interested to see where your 2030 destination will be. I imagine that there are ongoing back-channel conversations with both the SEC and B1G occurring. I can't imagine that FSU would go through this exercise to force their way into the Big 12. Any intel from your end? I'd welcome FSU into The B1G, however I can understand why your fan base might prefer the SEC.
 
greenday61892 said:
Or expand to 16 and every single conference champion, G5 included.
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That's what would be the best for College Football. It would make every single FBS more invested in the season and playoffs. Imagine, every Football fan in the country (of an FBS conference school) begins the season with a realistic shot at making the Playoffs. Even if you don't make it, there would a team you're familar with in the playoffs.


If they did this then the at large bids and even the seeding can all go according to some ranking formula that would undoubtedly give the vast majority of the at large bids and top seeds to P2 schools. I'd be fine with that. Sure, the first round would have blowouts but so does March Madness and it's awesome.

If this happened, then I'd be fine with UConn pursing a G5 football only membership (i.e. Sunbelt, Mac, Conference USA, PAC12, etc.).
 
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I can't see the P2 splitting off unless they grow to 32 teams each. Otherwise there would be too many programs that would be left out and I can't see FSU and Clemson being left behind. In the Top 25 alone last year there were 11 programs not in the P2. 12 if you count ND. There will still be exceptional football played outside the P2.

Perhaps it will be the P2 plus independents by invitation. Then you could see the likes of FSU, Clemson, Miami going the indie route and joining ND and UConn to play their way into the P2. :cool:
 
Kolumbo said:
I can't see the P2 splitting off unless they grow to 32 teams each. Otherwise there would be too many programs that would be left out and I can't see FSU and Clemson being left behind. In the Top 25 alone last year there were 11 programs not in the P2. 12 if you count ND. There will still be exceptional football played outside the P2.

Perhaps it will be the P2 plus independents by invitation. Then you could see the likes of FSU, Clemson, Miami going the indie route and joining ND and UConn to play their way into the P2. :cool:
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This assumes they care about the quality of the product and not just the embarrassment of riches lining their pockets
 
Ldandy said:
FSU's Leadership could have handled things better publicly then they did. A few came off like pouting children at times, but ultimately, they procured the info that they needed. I'm interested to see where your 2030 destination will be. I imagine that there are ongoing back-channel conversations with both the SEC and B1G occurring. I can't imagine that FSU would go through this exercise to force their way into the Big 12. Any intel from your end? I'd welcome FSU into The B1G, however I can understand why your fan base might prefer the SEC.
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The word earlier was that the P2 wanted FSU to come to a conclusion of their legal wranglings before earnest talks began. Back channel contacts were made....

But, it may not be university presidents that make the decision...it may be the networks with their hands up their back moving the mouth...I really do believe BC's Gene DeFelippo, presiding over the ACC's expansion committee at the time, when he famously said "ESPN told us what to do"...he later apologized to the ACC..

"We always keep our television partners close to us,’’ he said. "You don’t get extra money for basketball. It’s 85 percent football money. TV - ESPN - is the one who told us what to do. This was football; it had nothing to do with basketball.’’
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The B1G may be cool on FSU because of the lack of belonging to the AAU....The SEC may cool to FSU for several reasons...team player concerns, no new geographical reach...

While the SEC seems a more natural fit for FSU than the B1G...FSU and their fans are still very unhappy with ESPN and I assume for ESPN, vice versa. But, no matter what, I don't see the ACC welcoming FSU with a hug...FSU has already told that wife that they no longer love her and want to negotiate a split. From that, there is no real going on like it didn't happen.

Who knows...

The problem, even with more funds, is holding on while prime TV slots are all taken, the CFP dice are loaded.etc...those outside of the P2 will assuredly be Children of a Lesser God.
 
greenday61892 said:
This assumes they care about the quality of the product and not just the embarrassment of riches lining their pockets
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True. At some point fans, politicians, whoever will have to step in and fight for their universities. Why should Mississippi and Indiana have 2 winners each while Florida only has 1? Plus you have to have Virginia and North Carolina covered, and the Big 12 footprint covers what the Big Ten and SEC don't.
 
Kolumbo said:
I can't see the P2 splitting off unless they grow to 32 teams each. Otherwise there would be too many programs that would be left out and I can't see FSU and Clemson being left behind. In the Top 25 alone last year there were 11 programs not in the P2. 12 if you count ND. There will still be exceptional football played outside the P2.

Perhaps it will be the P2 plus independents by invitation. Then you could see the likes of FSU, Clemson, Miami going the indie route and joining ND and UConn to play their way into the P2. :cool:
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The Great Independent Conference :D
 
Ldandy said:
Agreed. While FSU's Perception may have taken a minor hit in the media, they ultimately got what they wanted with the suit. A clear understanding of the ACC GOR. 2030 will be chaos. The Noles, Canes, Heels, and Tigers will all likely be on the move. Some combination of others like VPI, GT, Pitt, Ville, NCSU, Stanford and Cal could find themselves elsewhere as well. Ultimately, I think it opens up a spot for The Huskies in a reconfigured ACC, which could still be an attractive East Coast football & basketball option.
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I think many schools will be looking, but I'm not convinced that there are that many landing places.
 
Ldandy said:
I can't imagine that FSU would go through this exercise to force their way into the Big 12.
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Agreed, on the other hand, I can envision circumstance where they overestimated their value and overplayed their hand, leaving the big 12 as their best possible landing spot.
 
The problem with going Indy, unless you are Notre Dame, is landing a high paying media contract for football...and a place to play other sports.

And, I have the feeling that football scheduling might be tougher for an Indy in the future with the P2 going to 9 conference games.

What could be interesting is a reconfiguration...The Big 12 media (ESPN and Fox) contracts are up 2030-31...The ACC also can implode 2030-31.

Could you reshuffle the pack ? Or...it is really could ESPN/Fox reshuffle the pack...
 
CL82 said:
Agreed, on the other hand, I can envision circumstance where they overestimated their value and overplayed their hand, leaving the big 12 as their best possible landing spot.
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I absolutely believe that they overvalued their appeal to the P-2 and won't have the offers they anticipated.

I imagine that the SEC will begin investigating processes where they can reduce membership in states where they have more schools than necessary before doubling up in states where they already own the premium property.

As far as the B1G, I'm not sure they have any desire to own the second best properties in a state, which could hurt FSU and Clemson when the GOR expires.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I absolutely believe that they overvalued their appeal to the P-2 and won't have the offers they anticipated.

I imagine that the SEC will begin investigating processes where they can reduce membership in states where they have more schools than necessary before doubling up in states where they already own the premium property.

As far as the B1G, I'm not sure they have any desire to own the second best properties in a state, which could hurt FSU and Clemson when the GOR expires.
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The media, and by extension, conferences, will go where the eyeballs go. Oh, yeah, there is AAU, culture, markets/shmarkets...but who is watched ?

Old data (2024 not counted)...

 
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