B1G/SEC Collab

[UCFBfan]

Think about it, they hit homeruns on Bell-offense, Sheffield-special teams, and McDonald-defense. Other impact players include Hoeh on the OL, Barton on the DL, Wright in the defensive backfield. There are others as well like Robinson at RB. They crushed there snd suppsedly will have more money to work with. They can do some things.

Now have to make sure we can keep some of them here for next year as well. That's always going to be the side effect of the NIL, new portal system. Players who are buried or are overlooked by top level players, transfer to a school like UConn to play. Then they show what they can really do and the P4 schools thT originally wanted them come back and take them away. We're kinda a minor league team for the P4. We just gotta keep landing these great finds and hope we can get a few to stay and build success.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[nelsonmuntz]

One of the problems with these articles is that sportswriters do not have the slightest idea how the legal or business side works.

If any other industry formed a cartel with the largest players with the objective of boxing everyone else out, it would be a pretty open and shut case. Sankey's complaint about the timing of the Syracuse letter means that he views the Syracuse letter as a threat, and he is telling the other groups to buzz off. This is a really bad way for Sankey to play it, and it is possible that even his Presidents may decide they are not on board with this kind of power play. They could get in a legal mess that could dwarf the House settlement. Anti-competitive behavior and any kind of price fixing can have criminal penalties in addition to the civil ones.

Operating under the assumption that Petitti and Sankey are not reckless and stupid, there must be an end game that does not look like they used their cartel muscle to wipe everyone else out.

 

[Travelman6]

People tend to dislike greed, at least, let's be honest, when it's of no benefit to them, and especially when it's this in your face. This whole thing could be huge $$$ but could just as easily backfire and I don't think non P2 fans will shed even a single tear in that case.

 

[bobbyinaz]

SEC, Big Ten considering blockbuster scheduling agreement for college football's new frontier

The SEC and Big Ten are considering a blockbuster scheduling agreement that would create marquee games and align conferences for new TV revenue deals.

www.usatoday.com

From the article:

The people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the conversations say the two super conferences could face off in as many as 12 to 16 regular-season nonconference games a year – or more – to determine the extent of the increase in media rights revenue.

The potential scheduling agreement is an answer to billions in lost revenue from the House legal case settlement of more than $2 billion to former players, and future revenue sharing with players of at least $20 million to $23 million annually beginning as soon as the 2025 season.

There are still multiple hurdles to clear – including schedule structure, format of how games are paired and revenue distribution – but officials in both conferences see the potential agreement as an answer to the rapidly-changing financial landscape of college football.

The process begins and ends with structure. The Big Ten currently plays nine conference games, the SEC eight.

If the SEC moves to nine, a corresponding move could be as many as 12 new nonconference games between the leagues. If both move to eight conference games, there’s a possibility for as many as 20 or more.

It’s also being done within an environment that clearly favors the two super conferences. Both have pulled away financially from the rest of the FBS conferences and would move further away with a nonconference scheduling agreement.

But the last thing the Big Ten and SEC want is the optics of collusion. It’s no coincidence that both brought legal teams to last week’s meetings to steer clear of those potential problems

 

[nelsonmuntz]

There will be some individual team exceptions that will compete at a high level this season, but as a league, the SEC is light years better than every other basketball league this season, and the Big 10 is a healthy spread better than everyone else after that. The P2 is happening in basketball much faster than anyone expected.

 

[Rufus]

Realignment was done for women's basketball.......... lol

Big Ten has 4 teams in the women's top 10 led by conference newcomers No. 1 UCLA and No. 4 USC

Rutgers coach Coquese Washington has seen the Big Ten grow over the years, from her time leading Penn State to now being in charge of the Scarlet Knights.

apnews.com

The current top 10 has 4 B1G and 4 SEC schools. Go further down the list of the top 25 and it is filled with SEC and B1G teams.

 

[Drew]

 

[Patman]

I didn't realize the sec and big 10 were so bad they need protection

 

[Drew]

 

[Drew]

 

[Patman]

How about zero autoqualifiers

 

[ScottVib]

It's all about unlocking a few extra dollars from the networks, while blocking off then chance that the other P4 leagues might somehow catch lightning in a bottle and be able to claim the Top 2 is really a Top 3.

Protect then number of bids for your conference, then increase the conference schedule and setup the collaborative out of conference games for the TV partners and some extra $$. Side benefit you no longer have room in the schedule for rivalry games with Big XII or ACC schools; so they can't use head to head to claim they're at the same level. Claim schedule strength to argue that your teams need higher seeds, despite less impressive records.

 

[Patman]

It's all about unlocking a few extra dollars from the networks, while blocking off then chance that the other P4 leagues might somehow catch lightning in a bottle and be able to claim the Top 2 is really a Top 3.

Protect then number of bids for your conference, then increase the conference schedule and setup the collaborative out of conference games for the TV partners and some extra $$. Side benefit you no longer have room in the schedule for rivalry games with Big XII or ACC schools; so they can't use head to head to claim they're at the same level. Claim schedule strength to argue that your teams need higher seeds, despite less impressive records.

It's always been about guaranteeing money but it's also about setting up the idea that some programs are more worthy than others. They aren't. A 19th ranked sec team shouldn't be protected

 

[ScottVib]

The SEC even in a down year had 6 teams in the top 15. That'll only get more common as the Big Ten & SEC isolate themselves and use the shield of "we play a much tougher schedule" to protect their teams as the best. Sure it protects the conference on the off-chance the 4th team slid past 14 or 16, but also clearly drawing the line between the Top-2 and Middle-2 conferences for recruits, media, etc. The Middle-2 will ultimately agree because it is protective to them (the Big XII only had 1 team in the top 16 this year) and hardens the line between them and the G5 schools.

Ultimately the SEC & Big Ten would likely be comfortable going with no-autobids. The end results this year would've granted the SEC an additional berth (at the ACC's expense) & better seeding for their conference member teams. With a 16-team tournament, the SEC & Big Ten would've claimed 10 of the spots (6 for the SEC & 4 for the Big Ten)

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The SEC even in a down year had 6 teams in the top 15. That'll only get more common as the Big Ten & SEC isolate themselves and use the shield of "we play a much tougher schedule" to protect their teams as the best. Sure it protects the conference on the off-chance the 4th team slid past 14 or 16, but also clearly drawing the line between the Top-2 and Middle-2 conferences for recruits, media, etc. The Middle-2 will ultimately agree because it is protective to them (the Big XII only had 1 team in the top 16 this year) and hardens the line between them and the G5 schools.

Ultimately the SEC & Big Ten would likely be comfortable going with no-autobids. The end results this year would've granted the SEC an additional berth (at the ACC's expense) & better seeding for their conference member teams. With a 16-team tournament, the SEC & Big Ten would've claimed 10 of the spots (6 for the SEC & 4 for the Big Ten)

The Big 10 and SEC won’t like the results if they are successful in eliminating the other leagues from participating.

The P2 could cut the market for college sports until it hits a tipping point and no one cares.

 

[Rufus]

https://athlonsports.com/college/clemson-tigers/sec-big-ten-scheduling-agreement-could-reshape-college-football-schedules-for-teams-like-clemson

 

[Rufus]

Could Clemson-Carolina Game be Casualty in SEC-Big Ten Partnership?

Clemson’s annual rivalry football game with South Carolina possibly could come to an end thanks to the SEC’s and Big Ten’s collaboration. Yahoo’s Ross Dellenger reports the Big Ten and SEC could co…

theclemsoninsider.com

"Other conferences leaders are not happy about the SEC and Big Ten having so much control. ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips has been very outspoken about it. Group of 5 leaders are also prepared to fight."

I don't understand why the conferences are upset. They signed off on this when the revenue splits were agreed to for the 12-team playoff! They gave full control of future playoff expansion to the SEC and B1G in exchange for the money they currently receive from the 12-team playoff and for the G5 to have an automatic bid. All conferences and Notre Dame signed off on this. Now that it is happening, they bitch and whine.

 

[Rufus]

Dennis Dodd's take.......

College football's credibility at stake as Big Ten, SEC aim to tighten stranglehold on playoff access

The two power leagues are seeking four automatic bids apiece as talks are scheduled to resume on Wednesday

www.cbssports.com

 

[Ha Who]

Dennis Dodd's take.......

College football's credibility at stake as Big Ten, SEC aim to tighten stranglehold on playoff access

The two power leagues are seeking four automatic bids apiece as talks are scheduled to resume on Wednesday

www.cbssports.com

He is absolutely correct. When my son was a kid playing youth baseball, the top team always got the cream of the crop and the second team would get decent players to make it somewhat sporting. The other teams sucked

Most of the games were bad and eventually a second league was formed. This hurt all involved and I along with many don’t care about the cartel. Tax exempt status is coming under fire for many reasons not sports related but as far as I am concerned let Rome burn

 

[UCFBfan]

I wonder if a nine game SEC schedule would put our Ole Miss game at jeopardy.

The rest of this crap is not surprising and will continue to make CFB more elitest. The playoff this year, outside the first round, was phenomenal. It actual made me care about the top teams and the games were good. Now you're going to basically make a playoff system with basically SEC and B1G teams? No thanks.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

One of the problems with these articles is that sportswriters do not have the slightest idea how the legal or business side works.

If any other industry formed a cartel with the largest players with the objective of boxing everyone else out, it would be a pretty open and shut case. Sankey's complaint about the timing of the Syracuse letter means that he views the Syracuse letter as a threat, and he is telling the other groups to buzz off. This is a really bad way for Sankey to play it, and it is possible that even his Presidents may decide they are not on board with this kind of power play. They could get in a legal mess that could dwarf the House settlement. Anti-competitive behavior and any kind of price fixing can have criminal penalties in addition to the civil ones.

Operating under the assumption that Petitti and Sankey are not reckless and stupid, there must be an end game that does not look like they used their cartel muscle to wipe everyone else out.

Commissioners agree CFP seeding needs change

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti said they agreed the way teams are seeded in the 12-team College Football Playoff should change.

www.espn.com

Attorneys for both leagues were present to avoid anything that might be construed as collusion. Petitti said that while the Big Ten and SEC are leading the future format decisions of the CFP, the NCAA governance conversations have been "incredibly collaborative and involves everybody."

I was not the only one who saw a huge anti-trust issue here if not only are the Big 10 and SEC bringing lawyers, but they feel compelled to announce they are not acting as a cartel. These two facts are barely a protection to a lawsuit, and create other problems, such as the fact that they recognize that they are in a legal gray area can be used against them in a lawsuit, and having your attorneys in the room when they do something illegal may cause them to lose attorney/client privilege with the lawyers in the room.

 

[Ha Who]

CNBC did a story this morning on ESPN streaming app they will be introducing. Didn’t really care about this but the interesting thing was that young people. I believe Gen Alpha would rather watch an influencer talking about sporting event then actually watching the event. The guest said in 10 years after all the sports rights are up. He does not know what will be happening. The P2 could actually be screwing themselves if the end result is nobody gives a sheet

 

[cellocgg]

CNBC did a story this morning on ESPN streaming app they will be introducing. Didn’t really care about this but the interesting thing was that young people. I believe Gen Alpha would rather watch an influencer talking about sporting event then actually watching the event. The guest said in 10 years after all the sports rights are up. He does not know what will be happening. The P2 could actually be screwing themselves if the end result is nobody gives a sheet

In younger generations, the rates of playing and watching live sports are declining. This is why companies push sports video games like NBA 2K, Madden, etc

I would imagine college students of large universities deviate from this trend for obvious reasons

 

[nelsonmuntz]

CNBC did a story this morning on ESPN streaming app they will be introducing. Didn’t really care about this but the interesting thing was that young people. I believe Gen Alpha would rather watch an influencer talking about sporting event then actually watching the event. The guest said in 10 years after all the sports rights are up. He does not know what will be happening. The P2 could actually be screwing themselves if the end result is nobody gives a sheet

Thinking things will continue to be the way they have always been is a common feature in failures. College sports is heading into a hurricane of headwinds (demographic cliff, declining interest in traditional sports), and the P2 seem to be trying to cut the market in half before it gets there. The Commissioners of the Big 10 and SEC could go down as two of the stupidest business leaders of the era if they follow through with their plans to eliminate the rest of the country from competition.