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djct1999 said:
I agree. Just look at the nfl. A p2 will work just fine and interest will remain as big as ever.
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I don't know if I agree on the interest part. Sure those two conferences are the strongest but at some point soon, people that haven't grown up as fans or alumni of those schools just won't care much because Sundays are for NFL football. Cut out 3/4 of the teams and you lose a large part of your audience that cares. I might be in the minority but I didn't watch a second of that Bama game and I didn't care to either. I'm done with the arrogance and belief that no one else belongs but the select few.
 
UCFBfan said:
I don't know if I agree on the interest part. Sure those two conferences are the strongest but at some point soon, people that haven't grown up as fans or alumni of those schools just won't care much because Sundays are for NFL football. Cut out 3/4 of the teams and you lose a large part of your audience that cares. I might be in the minority but I didn't watch a second of that Bama game and I didn't care to either. I'm done with the arrogance and belief that no one else belongs but the select few.
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I'm with ya. At the same time though, we are UConn fans, our team has no conference championship to play for and no shot at the CFP. We're just hoping for a bowl game for now. Yet many UConn fans were very interested in watching that Georgia-Alabama game. I think most football fans will be football fans regardless of what they say, and they will watch. We don't know what will happen but my bet is, fans will still watch the P2. Sure, if all non-P2 fans boycott the P2 it would make a difference, but boycotts never work.
 
Kolumbo said:
I'm with ya. At the same time though, we are UConn fans, our team has no conference championship to play for and no shot at the CFP. We're just hoping for a bowl game for now. Yet many UConn fans were very interested in watching that Georgia-Alabama game. I think most football fans will be football fans regardless of what they say, and they will watch. We don't know what will happen but my bet is, fans will still watch the P2. Sure, if all non-P2 fans boycott the P2 it would make a difference, but boycotts never work.
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This is why the P2 will still throw a bone to the other conferences. They need to keep 100 other FBS fanbases engaged and interested to prop up ratings for their games. 8 autobids for them and 4 for everyone else. The P2 will eventually control march madness and create another rule set that is very favorable to them, but still allows the other 300 D1 basketball teams a shot at making the tournament so that those fanbases keep engaged with college basketball generally. But the BIG 12 might be able to get more autobids for basketball if they are the clear best basketball conference and this would be huge because once the schools control march madness, then the money that the schools get will be far greater with the NCAA cut out.
 
djct1999 said:
I agree. Just look at the nfl. A p2 will work just fine and interest will remain as big as ever.
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I’m not sure it will work that way. It could, but I think a lot of college fans will just become pro fans rather than pick a new school to root for. I’ve tried to care about schools other than UConn. It’s really hard to do.
 
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Kolumbo said:
I'm with ya. At the same time though, we are UConn fans, our team has no conference championship to play for and no shot at the CFP. We're just hoping for a bowl game for now. Yet many UConn fans were very interested in watching that Georgia-Alabama game. I think most football fans will be football fans regardless of what they say, and they will watch. We don't know what will happen but my bet is, fans will still watch the P2. Sure, if all non-P2 fans boycott the P2 it would make a difference, but boycotts never work.
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I hear ya but I used to watch college football all afternoon long and flip between multiple games regularly. Kinda wish I had multi view back then. Now, I watch UConn and barely even put a game on at night as background noise. Once again, I'm not likely the majority, but I would imagine there are more and more people becoming less engaged in CFB. Cut out a good chunk of your schools and you just lost a huge audience who might start feeling and doing what I do.
 
UCFBfan said:
I hear ya but I used to watch college football all afternoon long and flip between multiple games regularly. Kinda wish I had multi view back then. Now, I watch UConn and barely even put a game on at night as background noise. Once again, I'm not likely the majority, but I would imagine there are more and more people becoming less engaged in CFB. Cut out a good chunk of your schools and you just lost a huge audience who might start feeling and doing what I do.
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That's exactly how I feel too. I just pretty much watch UConn and could care less about other teams. If UConn was in a conference, I might pay attention to other league teams like I did when UConn was in the Big East. Right now, I could care less about those teams anymore.

Greed will kill this sport, and these greedy bastards will keep pushing the envelope until only people that care are the fans of those schools.
 
UCFBfan said:
I hear ya but I used to watch college football all afternoon long and flip between multiple games regularly. Kinda wish I had multi view back then. Now, I watch UConn and barely even put a game on at night as background noise. Once again, I'm not likely the majority, but I would imagine there are more and more people becoming less engaged in CFB. Cut out a good chunk of your schools and you just lost a huge audience who might start feeling and doing what I do.
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How much of that has to do with personal time constraints, vs being upset at what cfb has become. I just don't have the time to watch Cfb all day like i did in my teens and 20s.
 
UCFBfan said:
I hear ya but I used to watch college football all afternoon long and flip between multiple games regularly. Kinda wish I had multi view back then. Now, I watch UConn and barely even put a game on at night as background noise. Once again, I'm not likely the majority, but I would imagine there are more and more people becoming less engaged in CFB. Cut out a good chunk of your schools and you just lost a huge audience who might start feeling and doing what I do.
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WestCoastHusky said:
That's exactly how I feel too. I just pretty much watch UConn and could care less about other teams. If UConn was in a conference, I might pay attention to other league teams like I did when UConn was in the Big East. Right now, I could care less about those teams anymore.

Greed will kill this sport, and these greedy bastards will keep pushing the envelope until only people that care are the fans of those schools.
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I feel the same way!!! Living in Columbia, SC I used to pull for USCs because why not. Now I could give two poops about it. I won’t watch SEC or Big10 games. They are destroying college sports.
 
I fully believe that having a Power 2 will mean that there will be less college football watchers than there are now. People like us and many other fans of left out schools will fade away and focus on the NFL for the 2 months between summer and NCAA basketball.

But, I can't think that the Big Ten and SEC are dumb. I think they've done the calculations and have decided that taking nearly 100% of a smaller pie is better than taking whatever percentage they currently have of a larger pie.

College football won't disappear if there is only a P2. Fans without a tie to a non-P2 will gravitate to the P2 and even pissed off non-P2 fans will probably go back to watching. Just like NFL fans that "boycotted" when players kneeled. Will there be a P1 without Vandy, Northwestern and some others? Maybe, but I'd look more for uneven revenue to be introduced.

The one thing that can stop all of this is government intervention. I'm not a big fan of too much FTC intervention, but its supposed to stop small groups from using size/collusion to hurt a better market and product to benefit themselves. Add in that these are supposedly non-profit entities and it seems more egregious.
 
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UCsports said:
This is why the P2 will still throw a bone to the other conferences. They need to keep 100 other FBS fanbases engaged and interested to prop up ratings for their games. 8 autobids for them and 4 for everyone else.
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nelsonmuntz said:
I think a lot of Big 10 programs should be on alert about the Big 10/SEC summit. If college sports migrates to a P2, it will quickly migrate to a P1.
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I'm still of the opinion that the P-2 will not break away from the NCAA in large part because of the above quoted comment by UCsports.

They will make future moves to ensure that they will receive the bulk of the bids to the CFP and NCAA tournament and will attempt to monopolize premium television spots throughout the respective seasons, but they receive quite a bit of cover from the existence of the NCAA and the illusion that all member schools are part of this.

Additionally, the basketball tournament, especially the earlier rounds draw eyeballs (creating media value) from the idea of David facing off against Goliath and being anywhere from somewhat competitive to a surprise winner. They won't take those matchups away, even if they do stack the deck to ensure many of their schools the opportunity to advance to the second and third weekends.

They can get what they want without leaving the NCAA. It would also make it easier for them to further minimize the other conferences.
 
noeynox said:
How much of that has to do with personal time constraints, vs being upset at what cfb has become. I just don't have the time to watch Cfb all day like i did in my teens and 20s.
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The being unable to watch all day is due to not being in my 20's and kids sports schedules. Yet I don't even watch random games at night. However, even if I was, I can't see myself dedicating the same amount of time now like I used to. I just don't care. It probably also has to do with the fact that UConn has no shot at any postseason of meaning (bowl games have become a joke now). So good question and point, but I think the pre kids me would have the same feeling.
 
I'm in the same boat with kids and schedules, but that Bama, Georgia game was just insane the other night. Its still a great sport despite their efforts to ruin it. UConn becoming invested in the NIL game has breathed life into the program. They really hit on some of those portal guys with instant impact guys. They keep it up somone will come after their player personel guy.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Additionally, the basketball tournament, especially the earlier rounds draw eyeballs (creating media value) from the idea of David facing off against Goliath and being anywhere from somewhat competitive to a surprise winner. They won't take those matchups away, even if they do stack the deck to ensure many of their schools the opportunity to advance to the second and third weekends.
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They’ll recast David as long suffering Northwestern or the unexpected push for Penn State against Kentucky.
 
Chuck said:
I fully believe that having a Power 2 will mean that there will be less college football watchers than there are now. People like us and many other fans of left out schools will fade away and focus on the NFL for the 2 months between summer and NCAA basketball.

But, I can't think that the Big Ten and SEC are dumb. I think they've done the calculations and have decided that taking nearly 100% of a smaller pie is better than taking whatever percentage they currently have of a larger pie.

College football won't disappear if there is only a P2. Fans without a tie to a non-P2 will gravitate to the P2 and even pissed off non-P2 fans will probably go back to watching. Just like NFL fans that "boycotted" when players kneeled. Will there be a P1 without Vandy, Northwestern and some others? Maybe, but I'd look more for uneven revenue to be introduced.

The one thing that can stop all of this is government intervention. I'm not a big fan of too much FTC intervention, but its supposed to stop small groups from using size/collusion to hurt a better market and product to benefit themselves. Add in that these are supposedly non-profit entities and it seems more egregious.
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I doubt it. The ratings keep going up and up.
 
noeynox said:
I'm in the same boat with kids and schedules, but that Bama, Georgia game was just insane the other night. Its still a great sport despite their efforts to ruin it. UConn becoming invested in the NIL game has breathed life into the program. They really hit on some of those portal guys with instant impact guys. They keep it up somone will come after their player personel guy.
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UConn needs to double down on whatever it is doing. Amazing that not playing the victim leads to good things.
 
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ZooCougar said:
UConn needs to double down on whatever it is doing. Amazing that not playing the victim leads to good things.
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Think about it, they hit homeruns on Bell-offense, Sheffield-special teams, and McDonald-defense. Other impact players include Hoeh on the OL, Barton on the DL, Wright in the defensive backfield. There are others as well like Robinson at RB. They crushed there snd suppsedly will have more money to work with. They can do some things.
 
noeynox said:
Think about it, they hit homeruns on Bell-offense, Sheffield-special teams, and McDonald-defense. Other impact players include Hoeh on the OL, Barton on the DL, Wright in the defensive backfield. There are others as well like Robinson at RB. They crushed there snd suppsedly will have more money to work with. They can do some things.
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Pay raise for Brock for sure too.
 
noeynox said:
Think about it, they hit homeruns on Bell-offense, Sheffield-special teams, and McDonald-defense. Other impact players include Hoeh on the OL, Barton on the DL, Wright in the defensive backfield. There are others as well like Robinson at RB. They crushed there snd suppsedly will have more money to work with. They can do some things.
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Now have to make sure we can keep some of them here for next year as well. That's always going to be the side effect of the NIL, new portal system. Players who are buried or are overlooked by top level players, transfer to a school like UConn to play. Then they show what they can really do and the P4 schools thT originally wanted them come back and take them away. We're kinda a minor league team for the P4. We just gotta keep landing these great finds and hope we can get a few to stay and build success.
 
huskymedic said:
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One of the problems with these articles is that sportswriters do not have the slightest idea how the legal or business side works.

If any other industry formed a cartel with the largest players with the objective of boxing everyone else out, it would be a pretty open and shut case. Sankey's complaint about the timing of the Syracuse letter means that he views the Syracuse letter as a threat, and he is telling the other groups to buzz off. This is a really bad way for Sankey to play it, and it is possible that even his Presidents may decide they are not on board with this kind of power play. They could get in a legal mess that could dwarf the House settlement. Anti-competitive behavior and any kind of price fixing can have criminal penalties in addition to the civil ones.

Operating under the assumption that Petitti and Sankey are not reckless and stupid, there must be an end game that does not look like they used their cartel muscle to wipe everyone else out.
 
People tend to dislike greed, at least, let's be honest, when it's of no benefit to them, and especially when it's this in your face. This whole thing could be huge $$$ but could just as easily backfire and I don't think non P2 fans will shed even a single tear in that case.
 
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www.usatoday.com

SEC, Big Ten considering blockbuster scheduling agreement for college football's new frontier

The SEC and Big Ten are considering a blockbuster scheduling agreement that would create marquee games and align conferences for new TV revenue deals.
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com

From the article:

The people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the conversations say the two super conferences could face off in as many as 12 to 16 regular-season nonconference games a year – or more – to determine the extent of the increase in media rights revenue.

The potential scheduling agreement is an answer to billions in lost revenue from the House legal case settlement of more than $2 billion to former players, and future revenue sharing with players of at least $20 million to $23 million annually beginning as soon as the 2025 season.

There are still multiple hurdles to clear – including schedule structure, format of how games are paired and revenue distribution – but officials in both conferences see the potential agreement as an answer to the rapidly-changing financial landscape of college football.

The process begins and ends with structure. The Big Ten currently plays nine conference games, the SEC eight.

If the SEC moves to nine, a corresponding move could be as many as 12 new nonconference games between the leagues. If both move to eight conference games, there’s a possibility for as many as 20 or more.

It’s also being done within an environment that clearly favors the two super conferences. Both have pulled away financially from the rest of the FBS conferences and would move further away with a nonconference scheduling agreement.

But the last thing the Big Ten and SEC want is the optics of collusion. It’s no coincidence that both brought legal teams to last week’s meetings to steer clear of those potential problems
 
There will be some individual team exceptions that will compete at a high level this season, but as a league, the SEC is light years better than every other basketball league this season, and the Big 10 is a healthy spread better than everyone else after that. The P2 is happening in basketball much faster than anyone expected.
 
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