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JohnFSilver said:
This AAU/Big Ten things is dumb. It doesn't matter. There was a thing, once, that said BIG Ten must be contiguous states. Then, it didn't matter when money invovled.

If there is a non AAU school that the Big 10 wants, academic status is not a barrier.
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I think AAU status and being in a contiguous state were desirable metrics for the Big 10, but they could be overlooked if the money was right.

Getting AAU status would be nice for UConn, but I don't think it moves the needle for a Big Ten invite.
 
I think UConn isn't far away from getting AAU membership. So too for Virginia Tech and FSU.
 
BlueHen said:
I think AAU status and being in a contiguous state were desirable metrics for the Big 10, but they could be overlooked if the money was right.

Getting AAU status would be nice for UConn, but I don't think it moves the needle for a Big Ten invite.
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Agreed. In the days before Multi-Billion Dollar TV Deals, conference additions were made far more based on whether a school fit the B1G Profile or not. Outside of ND, this profile was essentially large land grant state schools who were contiguous to a current conference member. Having a strong academic standing such as Tier 1 Research/AAU Member was strongly preferred. A large well run athletic dept that mirrored much of the rest of the conference was another factor considered as well. Nebraska (at the time) and UMD met these parameters. RU's historical lack of athletic success was of some concern, however the school fit in every other conceivable way. The first true media gold rush got them over the finish line back in 2012.

Times have changed rapidly. Money is behind all decisions now. If it were to be determined that a UConn addition, would be additive to the conference media deal, then AAU will not be a stumbling block. That said I'm not sure that there are more than 3-4 teams potentially available that could move the needle now. ND, FSU, and maybe UNC. The rest would be in The SEC, and they have no reason to move. I'm not sure Clemson, Miami, or any other ACC Team can add enough value in the eyes of the networks to raise the payout for the current members.
 
BlueHen said:
I think AAU status and being in a contiguous state were desirable metrics for the Big 10, but they could be overlooked if the money was right.

Getting AAU status would be nice for UConn, but I don't think it moves the needle for a Big Ten invite.
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Exactly. Way too much obsessing over AAU for sports status. It would be nice, or it doesn't matter.

Think about everything America hates about elite colleges an universities...that AAU is a thing is probably No. 1 on the list. It's a country club. Like, does UConn's mission change if they are AAU? What is better for its students? Is it better teachers? Maybe, maybe not. Just a bunch of research dollars and fellows.

But, sometimes the school gets so elite that it loses its mission. Don't get me wrong, I love UConn rank but look at some of the schools we aspire to be? North Carolina, Virginia, UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan etc.

In 1980, UCLA had an admission rate of 74%, now it is 8.6%.

Is the world better off because of these public institutions become super elite?

Talk about prestige inflation. The only prestigious schools should be Ivy.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
Exactly. Way too much obsessing over AAU for sports status. It would be nice, or it doesn't matter.

Think about everything America hates about elite colleges an universities...that AAU is a thing is probably No. 1 on the list. It's a country club. Like, does UConn's mission change if they are AAU? What is better for its students? Is it better teachers? Maybe, maybe not. Just a bunch of research dollars and fellows.

But, sometimes the school gets so elite that it loses its mission. Don't get me wrong, I love UConn rank but look at some of the schools we aspire to be? North Carolina, Virginia, UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan etc.

In 1980, UCLA had an admission rate of 74%, now it is 8.6%.

Is the world better off because of these public institutions become super elite?

Talk about prestige inflation. The only prestigious schools should be Ivy.
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I guess I’m confused by your statement. Why is UCLA’s admission statement an issue? Should they just let everybody in? It’s not like they are a tiny school of 2000. They have an enrollment of 48,000, 33,000 of which are underclassman. It’s a desirable school that many want to go to. Shouldn’t they select the best applicants they can? If they accepted 50% of the applicants, they would be well over 100,000 students. That’s just too big. I guess I’m not understanding how they should handle admissions if they weren’t so selective.
 
Many things influence Acceptance Rate....

FSU's acceptance rate for the latest cless is 21.8 %....

Ohio State's 53.7 %

Duke has a small enrollment...they accept less than 8 %
 
dayooper said:
I guess I’m confused by your statement. Why is UCLA’s admission statement an issue? Should they just let everybody in? It’s not like they are a tiny school of 2000. They have an enrollment of 48,000, 33,000 of which are underclassman. It’s a desirable school that many want to go to. Shouldn’t they select the best applicants they can? If they accepted 50% of the applicants, they would be well over 100,000 students. That’s just too big. I guess I’m not understanding how they should handle admissions if they weren’t so selective.
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I don’t think they should have that many applicants. The common app is a racket.

I mean in 1970, 70 percent of applicants got into UPenn.

The people in power at those schools would be rejected as of now if they had to review themselves. Grades, recommendations and extra curriculars are a scam.

Admissions has too many apps than it can handle and doesn’t evaluate the applications.

How many people would apply to ucla if the app was $300, which would be credited if you get in to school and enroll. We need less applications and less I got into this place.

What happens is every high school senior in America is sending in 5-10 applications.

To me, that is ridiculous. It overwhelms the system.
 
JohnFSilver said:
This AAU/Big Ten things is dumb. It doesn't matter. There was a thing, once, that said BIG Ten must be contiguous states. Then, it didn't matter when money invovled.

If there is a non AAU school that the Big 10 wants, academic status is not a barrier.
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I totally agree! The thought that academics matter in conference alignment is almost laughable given the money now involved. It's all about markets that optimize value.

Relatedly, at the athlete level just leave off the student prefix. These are professional athletes and their academic standing will soon be irrelavent.....probably already is.
 
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Rufus said:
Northwestern making some noise..................

www.insidenu.com

BREAKING: Derrick Gragg named VP for athletic strategy, new athletic director to be named

Gragg moves to new role as landscape of college athletics shifts.
www.insidenu.com www.insidenu.com

In his new role, Gragg will continue to report to Northwestern President Michael Schill on major trends in college athletics like name, image and likeness (NIL), revenue sharing and conference realignment.

Are the Wildcats going all-in?

Notice conference realignment is part of his new job. Why would a B1G school need to keep up with conference realignment unless the conference is planning to expand again?
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May be a crazy thought, maybe preparing for some sort of relegation?
 
JohnFSilver said:
I don’t think they should have that many applicants. The common app is a racket.

I mean in 1970, 70 percent of applicants got into UPenn.

The people in power at those schools would be rejected as of now if they had to review themselves. Grades, recommendations and extra curriculars are a scam.

Admissions has too many apps than it can handle and doesn’t evaluate the applications.

How many people would apply to ucla if the app was $300, which would be credited if you get in to school and enroll. We need less applications and less I got into this place.

What happens is every high school senior in America is sending in 5-10 applications.

To me, that is ridiculous. It overwhelms the system.
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John

This is off base. How many people actually went to college in 1970? Of those, what % traveled more than 100 miles. It’s a whole new world, but a college degree today is about equivalent to a hs degree in 70.
 
The B1G just invited 4 extremely good football programs which will likely provide losses to even Ohio State and Michigan
The B1G did invite UCLA but basketball is still not as strong overall as it should be
UConn Football will improve significantly in a conference, and even more so in a "power" conference
Early on, sure, UConn will provide many wins for B1G football programs, including the lower rung programs
B1G should have a presence in New England
Sounds like multiple wins for the B1G to invite UConn
The Big 12 should look to grab UConn asap seeing all of the upside
And yet....

Comedy Central What GIF
 
Kolumbo said:
The B1G just invited 4 extremely good football programs which will likely provide losses to even Ohio State and Michigan
The B1G did invite UCLA but basketball is still not as strong overall as it should be
UConn Football will improve significantly in a conference, and even more so in a "power" conference
Early on, sure, UConn will provide many wins for B1G football programs, including the lower rung programs
B1G should have a presence in New England
Sounds like multiple wins for the B1G to invite UConn
The Big 12 should look to grab UConn asap seeing all of the upside
And yet....

Comedy Central What GIF
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Get real. If UConn wasn't able to compete in the AAC, what makes you think it would thrive in the B1G? Furthermore, why would the B1G want to establish a sports presence in a part of the country whose residents couldn't care less about college athletics?
 
Kolumbo said:
The B1G just invited 4 extremely good football programs which will likely provide losses to even Ohio State and Michigan
The B1G did invite UCLA but basketball is still not as strong overall as it should be
UConn Football will improve significantly in a conference, and even more so in a "power" conference
Early on, sure, UConn will provide many wins for B1G football programs, including the lower rung programs
B1G should have a presence in New England
Sounds like multiple wins for the B1G to invite UConn
The Big 12 should look to grab UConn asap seeing all of the upside
And yet....

Comedy Central What GIF
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Yet, it seems that no one that matters believes in UConn. Thus, the predicament.
 
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hank970 said:
Get real. If UConn wasn't able to compete in the AAC, what makes you think it would thrive in the B1G? Furthermore, why would the B1G want to establish a sports presence in a part of the country whose residents couldn't care less about college athletics?
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1. Jim Mora
1A. Cash

Your second query is moot. There are certainly college football fans in the Northeast. Bring in a steady stream of Penn State, Ohio state, Michigan, USC, even nearby Rutgers, ticket sales would be through the roof. Given the close proximity to Boston and NYC and the number of B1G alumni in the Northeast, The Rent would be sold out every game.
 
Kolumbo said:
1. Jim Mora
1A. Cash

Your second query is moot. There are certainly college football fans in the Northeast. Bring in a steady stream of Penn State, Ohio state, Michigan, USC, even nearby Rutgers, ticket sales would be through the roof. Given the close proximity to Boston and NYC and the number of B1G alumni in the Northeast, The Rent would be sold out every game.
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So basically the rent would just fill with fans from the visiting team. I think the best fit is the ACC. Even in a paired down group of teams the fit would make the most sense for UConn.
 
buddy said:
Yet, it seems that no one that matters believes in UConn. Thus, the predicament.
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Kolumbo said:
1. Jim Mora
1A. Cash

Your second query is moot. There are certainly college football fans in the Northeast. Bring in a steady stream of Penn State, Ohio state, Michigan, USC, even nearby Rutgers, ticket sales would be through the roof. Given the close proximity to Boston and NYC and the number of B1G alumni in the Northeast, The Rent would be sold out every game.
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Ticket sales would also be through the roof if I could somehow share a concert stage with Taylor Swift, admittedly a very unlikely prospect.
 
CJasmer said:
So basically the rent would just fill with fans from the visiting team. I think the best fit is the ACC. Even in a paired down group of teams the fit would make the most sense for UConn.
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No. The rent would fill mostly with UConn fans and plenty of visiting fans. I don't argue that the ACC would be a great fit, but the ACC has passed at every turn. This thread is about the B1G.
I would imagine Nebraska home games are filled by Nebraska fans while Rutgers home games have plenty of visitors. Who cares. As long as they are playing conference games with a conference paycheck.
 
flugaur has just reported that The B1G payout will go to $90 million plus for most members in 2026.

It sounds like a new addition would either have to be worth big media money or take a much smaller share...a methodology already in place.

 
CJasmer said:
So basically the rent would just fill with fans from the visiting team. I think the best fit is the ACC. Even in a paired down group of teams the fit would make the most sense for UConn.
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I’d gladly take their money and the media money to reinvest in football. Our AD has shown a great ability to develop winning programs given the resources and playing against interesting competition.
The total population of CT, NY, and MA is about the same as number 2 Texas crammed into a much smaller area (easier access). Toss in the rest of NE and you’re approaching CA. Put an interesting product on the field and people will show up.
 
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Interesting article on the logistics of the B1G volleyball schedule.

volleyballmag.com

New territory: Breaking down 2024 18-team Big Ten volleyball schedule

Two of the new members of the Big Ten conference go from the frying pan into the fire for their first Big Ten volleyball road trips. USC and UCLA will play their respective first league road matches at Nebraska during the last week of September to kick off the 10-week conference schedule. Those...
volleyballmag.com volleyballmag.com
 
hank970 said:
Ticket sales would also be through the roof if I could somehow share a concert stage with Taylor Swift, admittedly a very unlikely prospect.
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How did UConn compete while in the Big East? That's more relevant than anything that happened in the AAC.
 
NH Husky said:
I’d gladly take their money and the media money to reinvest in football. Our AD has shown a great ability to develop winning programs given the resources and playing against interesting competition.
The total population of CT, NY, and MA is about the same as number 2 Texas crammed into a much smaller area (easier access). Toss in the rest of NE and you’re approaching CA. Put an interesting product on the field and people will show up.
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Yes works for UConn? What does UConn football bring to Big 10? Another Rutgers level team in the Northeast.
 
noeynox said:
How did UConn compete while in the Big East? That's more relevant than anything that happened in the AAC.
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UConn football was good enough to share in a couple of football championships in the Old Big East. That was relevant back then, but no longer. We've since made thirteen trips around the Sun. Thus, it might be more relevant nowadays to ask why Huskies' football faltered in the AAC while others in the conference prospered?
 
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