B1G/Big East Hoop Series

[Fishy]

I'm going on the record that the Big East negotiated this deal by giving the B1G rotating access to MSG for their tourney.

No way.

It's basically a scheduling alliance and there's no where near enough in it to entice the Big East to give up their conference tourney home for even a year.

 

[OkaForPrez]

No way.

It's basically a scheduling alliance and there's no where near enough in it to entice the Big East to give up their conference tourney home for even a year.

So that leaves what plausible scenarios?

The DC announcement was scheduled and Deinhart wouldn't have put the 60 day tag on it.

It's an NYC tourney location, or?

 

[Fishy]

Think about it.

The absolute biggest thing the new Big East has is its conference tournament at Madison Square Garden.

Do you think they would part with that for something as relatively meaningless as a scheduling alliance with the Big Ten? Calling a spade a spade, the Big Ten is largely one screaming yawn of a hoop conference - the Big East is not going to trade the crown jewels for a year so that Providence can play Penn State.

 

[CL82]

Think about it.

The absolute biggest thing the new Big East has is its conference tournament at Madison Square Garden.

Do you think they would part with that for something as relatively meaningless as a scheduling alliance with the Big Ten? Calling a spade a spade, the Big Ten is largely one screaming yawn of a hoop conference - the Big East is not going to trade the crown jewels for a year so that Providence can play Penn State.

Unless they see the writing on the wall that they are in an expensive venue that they can't fill and are hoping that that alternating the location makes the MSG event have more cache. I also think that the scheduling arrangement is important to them as they may have realized that without the old Big East power teams they are creeping toward irrelevancy.

 

[kyleslamb]

Unless they see the writing on the wall that they are in an expensive venue that they can't fill and are hoping that that alternating the location makes the MSG event have more cache. I also think that the scheduling arrangement is important to them as they may have realized that without the old Big East power teams they are creeping toward irrelevancy.

True. The Big Ten isn't looking to make a permanent dwelling at MSG anyhow. It wouldn't surprise me if they're able to reach some sort of agreement where they hold the tournament there once every 4-5 years. Money talks and for the Big East, a partnership with the Big Ten could only help.

 

[Gfunk]

Since when are OSU fans threatened by adding basketball powers? That's not the case at all. In fact, a ton of them would love to see North Carolina, Duke, Kansas or even Connecticut added.

There are some that might not agree with some or all of those schools, but it's not because they feel "threatened." It's simply not everyone believes it would be financially worth the addition(s). No one is "threatened" by it; most actually would love it.

I disagree, it depends on which board & threads you're looking through. There have been plenty of naysayers, just a few OSU fans I can think of really want a school like UConn. Dilution arguments can also be viewed in "threatening terms" as fans feel their school's money pot is diminished in the process. I don't want to get into a semantics argument.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Maryland vs. Georgetown
Nebraska vs. Creighton
Wisconsin vs. Marquette
Indiana vs. Butler
Ohio State vs. Xavier
Northwestern vs. Depaul
Penn State vs. Villanova
Rutgers vs. Seton Hall

Never realized how much overlap there was between the two conferences.

 

[kyleslamb]

I disagree, it depends on which board & threads you're looking through. There have been plenty of naysayers, just a few OSU fans I can think of really want a school like UConn. Dilution arguments can also be viewed in "threatening terms" as fans feel their school's money pot is diminished in the process. I don't want to get into a semantics argument.

It's not semantics. Your implication was that they were threatened by having another good basketball school or rather lack of football. I haven't seen a single Ohio State fan that I felt was 'threatened' by that. I don't see any relation to being concerned that it would be a losing proposition to add such a school and equating that to being threatened, though.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Maryland vs. Georgetown
Nebraska vs. Creighton
Wisconsin vs. Marquette
Indiana vs. Butler
Ohio State vs. Xavier
Northwestern vs. Depaul
Penn State vs. Villanova
Rutgers vs. Seton Hall

Never realized how much overlap there was between the two conferences.

Wow, those are some really great local matches.

 

[Gfunk]

It's not semantics. Your implication was that they were threatened by having another good basketball school or rather lack of football. I haven't seen a single Ohio State fan that I felt was 'threatened' by that. I don't see any relation to being concerned that it would be a losing proposition to add such a school and equating that to being threatened, though.

Now you're being naive & I'm not going to do your research for you or what the word "threat" can mean - which in part clearly implies a fear/loss of cultural, economic, prestigious, or competitive identification - familiar sort. There have been so many boards that suggest such & plenty of OSU fans in this camp & I'm not the only one who has called these fans out on it. I mean look at the most recent EPSN story, the FB replies: "BIG Tourney in DC". A boat load of cultural myopia - fear or loss of Midwestern identity on there, whatever that means in the age of high capitalism and global interdependence - finer print designates Ohio roots for some of these posters. Come on now.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Maryland vs. Georgetown
Nebraska vs. Creighton
Wisconsin vs. Marquette
Indiana vs. Butler
Ohio State vs. Xavier
Northwestern vs. Depaul
Penn State vs. Villanova
Rutgers vs. Seton Hall

Never realized how much overlap there was between the two conferences.

3 of those games, Wisky/Marq, NW/Depaul and Rutgirls/SHU happen every year anyway.

 

[Drew]

3 of those games, Wisky/Marq, NW/Depaul and Rutgirls/SHU happen every year anyway.

neb and creighton as well

 

[pj]

True. The Big Ten isn't looking to make a permanent dwelling at MSG anyhow. It wouldn't surprise me if they're able to reach some sort of agreement where they hold the tournament there once every 4-5 years. Money talks and for the Big East, a partnership with the Big Ten could only help.

Now that the Big East has a lot of Midwestern teams, they might want to play in the Midwest once in a while. They can do a wife-swap tourney venue-swap once in a while with the B1G, trading MSG for Chicago, just to confuse the fans.

 

[tzznandrew]

The B1G is going to be making so much money they can literally buy the media rights to some mid-tier conference for almost nothing and run those games on the B1G network if they wanted and needed more live sporting events. Not a relegation system, but something that feels sort of like it--especially if they have the B1G teams play say, two OOC games against those schools.

Do I think they'd do that? Probably not. But they'll be rich enough to, and perhaps they start trying to get a little more creative.

 

[WestHartHusk]

Maryland vs. Georgetown
Nebraska vs. Creighton
Wisconsin vs. Marquette
Indiana vs. Butler
Ohio State vs. Xavier
Northwestern vs. Depaul
Penn State vs. Villanova
Rutgers vs. Seton Hall

Never realized how much overlap there was between the two conferences.

UConn v Providence would fit that list well.

 

[Ldandy]

Unless they see the writing on the wall that they are in an expensive venue that they can't fill and are hoping that that alternating the location makes the MSG event have more cache. I also think that the scheduling arrangement is important to them as they may have realized that without the old Big East power teams they are creeping toward irrelevancy.

Good post. Not much to argue with here IMO. The old Big East Tournament was unquestionably the greatest conference tournament hosted in the best venue. Personally I have little interest in basketball, but despite that I can say that I've watched plenty of BE Tourney Games and found them highly compelling.

All that said, this is not the old Big East we are talking about. Sure the conference still has the name and the venue, but it is not the same product. You can't take away UCONN, Cuse, sPitt, and Ville and not expect to miss a beat. IMO The B1G will be more involved with FOX going forward, and as a part of that relationship will be more interaction with its properties like The New Big East. I could see games even showing up on The B1G potentially in markets where the leagues overlap. I don't think it would kill the membership of The NBE to give up MSG once or twice a decade to play in Chicago, Indy or somewhere else in the Midwest.

 

[Kolumbo]

BIG can have RU and MD.