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I will state I am not a fan of Quentin. He is a strutting peacock!

What we have is an article with many accusations and many questions. It was not flattering at all. To the Cuse AD and administration, the transfer out of 11 players should have been enough to trigger and investigation. It also seems Hillman's track record leaves one open for investigation.

I hope there is an investigation. After this article, it needs to happen. If the administration has any brains at all, they will have one with outside investigators. An internal investigation will not be enough.
Syracuse has announced they're conducting an external investigation. I've seen several articles noting this since the Athletic's article came out.

Question is how quickly and thorough will it be. If it's like what happened at Detroit Mercy, dear heavens......
 
Syracuse has announced they're conducting an external investigation. I've seen several articles noting this since the Athletic's article came out.

Question is how quickly and thorough will it be. If it's like what happened at Detroit Mercy, dear heavens......
Probably like this

"Can we trust kids who said they would come to Syracuse? Nah :rolleyes:
 
Probably like this

"Can we trust kids who said they would come to Syracuse? Nah :rolleyes:
IMHO, it will be difficult for the parents to NOT look into reopening the recruiting for their daughters who have committed verbally.

Should Q not resign under pressure from the 'Cuse Administration, even those with signed letters of intent that have not enrolled in Summer school may have options as well.

Questions:
1) Have all 11 Syracuse womens basketball players who entered the transfer portal been picked up by other Universities?

2) How many are left (assuming signed commitments are honored - may NOT be a good assumption...)?
 
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I find it bizarre that people are comparing this situation to UCONN and Geno years back.

Person not people Eric. It is one poster who has used Quinton’s behavior to try to smear Geno. It is a weird take.
 
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I posted when the 11 player exodus happened I would definitely investigate were I the AD or President to see what's going on. I won't convict the man based on the article but if things keep adding up it will be tough for him to keep his position. I don't really have an opinion of him one way or the other, just hate to see situations like this happen anywhere.
 
Clear Dividing Line in comparison’s between Q and Geno - Only can compare the “verbal word selection when addressing players” Old Geno vs Current Q…

28 years following this team…
Old Geno went into many cringe worthy diatribes on that sideline directed at his players…

Current Geno much less so…

List the best (funniest) and worst (cringe worthy) you heard would be a good thread…

Worst was Bridgeport 2003-4 Final 8 vs Auburn directed at Ann Strother…

Her parents sat there stoically taking it as part and parcel of being on the best WBB programs on the planet…

I was not happy or impressed with him in that moment…His frustration just boiled over, that is part of coaching, hopefully the smallest part for professionals…
 
Apples and oranges. Yes, Geno can swear like a sailor but he never told people he doesn’t care about them. In fact, most players say that Geno wants the best for them. And I’ve never heard a player mention any kind of inappropriate physician contact
You are so right. So many (here) are confusing the expression "tough love" with what for them were the good old days when with the slightest authority you could say and do whatever you wanted. Certain words and behavours were always abusive and unacceptable except when the powerless were involved.
 
How often has a head coach (in any sport) been exonerated after these type of accusations and actual investigations? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

While some believe there is no such thing as bad publicity, this is not a good example of that slogan as this is damaging, IMO.
I can, Detroit Mercy. This year......but. Not sexual accusations, but abuse of players. Baffling to me, after reading the letters the parents wrote to the AD, that she is still coaching.

UPDATE: She resigned two weeks ago. AnnMarie Gilbert.
 
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Clear Dividing Line in comparison’s between Q and Geno - Only can compare the “verbal word selection when addressing players” Old Geno vs Current Q…

28 years following this team…
Old Geno went into many cringe worthy diatribes on that sideline directed at his players…

Current Geno much less so…

List the best (funniest) and worst (cringe worthy) you heard would be a good thread…

Worst was Bridgeport 2003-4 Final 8 vs Auburn directed at Ann Strother…

Her parents sat there stoically taking it as part and parcel of being on the best WBB programs on the planet…

I was not happy or impressed with him in that moment…His frustration just boiled over, that is part of coaching, hopefully the smallest part for professionals…
I was at Gampel years ago. Very frustrated with Svet Geno called a time out. After the time out Svet headed back to the court. Geno grabbed her by the elbow and pulled Svet back to the bench. I felt the crowd surge forward. There was a real danger of a couple thousand babushkas rushng the court and tearing Geno limb from limb. Svet was a big favorite with the babushkas...
 
How often has a head coach (in any sport) been exonerated after these type of accusations and actual investigations? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

While some believe there is no such thing as bad publicity, this is not a good example of that slogan as this is damaging, IMO.
Just in Women's basketball alone.
Holy Cross Bill Gibbons was sued, investigated and exonerated in 2013.
Hillsman himself was investigated and exonerated in 2011.
Illinois Coach Matt Bollant was investigated in 2014 and exonerated.
Sylvia Hatchell was investigated for racist remarks in 2019 and was allowed to step down vs being fired.
Joanne P. McCaulie Duke was investigated by HR and exonerated (slight slap on the hand) in 2016
SMU Coach Travis Mays was investigated in 2018 and presumably exonerated because he stayed on the job until 2021.
Connie Yori of Nebraska was investigated in 2016 and allowed to resign.
 
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Yeah if you read the Tennessee boards at the height of the rivalry there were many unsubstantiated allegations. That wasn't one of them.
The punch/poke thing was substantiated. From Auriemma's book -

I look over at Kris Lamb and she is sitting with her elbows on her knees, and she has her head down. She’s playing awful, just like everyone else, but it just totally ticks me off that her head is down like that. I go over to her, and I whack her arm off her knees and I tell her, “You look me in the eye when I’m talking to you. Do you understand?” She’s a little startled, but mostly she’s ticked off, so she stares at me with complete disdain, and I rant a little more, and then we go out and win the game by 23 points. That’s in December. By February, our team is really splintered. We manage to win games, but there are two distinct groups: the kids CD and I have brought in, which includes Kris, Kerry, Laura, and Heidi Robbins, and the other nine kids we inherit. Those nine kids, for the most part, aren’t playing as much as they think they should, feel like they are second-class citizens, and want things, I guess, to go back to the way they used to be. It is a very difficult year for everyone.

My point in all this is that Auriemma of 30 years ago would not survive in today's climate where molehills become mountains in the media. Fortunately, he was smart enough to change with the times.
 
I find it bizarre that people are comparing this situation to UCONN and Geno years back. The allegations against Geno did NOT come from any of his players. It came from a 39 page report submitted to the NCAA by the SEC and Pat Summitt/Tennessee.

The report did not allege abuse against his players, but rather recruiting violations, all of which were investigated and dismissed. The ONLY violation during Geno's entire tenure, never mind that time frame, (that I can recall), is that a staff member called ESPN on behalf of Maya Moore's family to set up a visit to the ESPN campus. Other than that, squadoosh. So the 2 coaches/programs are not related in any way, shape, or form.

As for Syracuse, I don't believe I'm going out on much of a limb when I say that no program in the history of WCBB has had 11 players enter the transfer portal in a single academic year. I'm not convicting Hillsman, but when you lose 11 players to transfer, something is going on. I agree with the people who say it does not look good for him, in spite of the 2 players who have come out in support of him on Twitter (Mangakahia and Alexis Peterson).

Regardless of the truth, there is some ugly $#it going on at Syracuse. Tiana called out her teammates for how they treated her after she was diagnosed with cancer. Peterson said the players had lost their minds. Then on the other hand the article alleges all kinds of abuses and issues with the coach. UGLY.

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Eric - I am not comparing this Hillsman situation, whatever it is, with Auriemma and my point has nothing to do with the Tennessee bullshit. It has to do with how Auriemma of 30 years ago would fare given the current climate in WCBB.
 
Person not people Eric. It is one poster who has used Quinton’s behavior to try to smear Geno. It is a weird take.
That person is me and I am not smearing anyone. Apparently you haven't been a fan long enough to recognize the difference between 1990 Geno and 2021 Geno. All I'm saying is that Auriemma would not survive in today's climate. Read his friggen' book.
 
IMHO, it will be difficult for the parents to NOT look into reopening the recruiting for their daughters who have committed verbally.

Should Q not resign under pressure from the 'Cuse Administration, even those with signed letters of intent that have not enrolled in Summer school may have options as well.

Questions:
1) Have all 11 Syracuse womens basketball players who entered the transfer portal been picked up by other Universities?

2) How many are left (assuming signed commitments are honored - may NOT be a good assumption...)?
The number is actually 12 not 11.
(1)Emily Engstler (2)Kiara Lewis, (3) Digna Strautmane, (4)Maeva Djaldi-Tabdi, (5)Amaya Finklea-Guity, (6) Taleah Washington, (7)Lauren Fitzmaurice, (8) Kiara Fisher, (9) Faith Blackstone, (10). Khamya McNeal (11) Maud Huijbens (12) Kamilla Cardoso. At least five of the Orange's latest transfers will stay within the conference. Kiara Lewis to Clemson Tigers. Digna Strautmane will head to Georgia Tech. Emily Engstler, Amaya Finklea-Guity, and Maeva Djaldi-Tabdi are taking their talents to Louisville, Duke, and Miami, respectively. Cardoso of course landed at South Carolina. Taleah Washington is transferring to Old Dominion. Kiara Fisher transfed to Marist College.
As of June 4th Lauren Fitzmaurice is the only former Syracuse player remaining in the transfer portal who hasn’t announced a decision.

You also bring up an interesting point regarding the remaining players decision-That decision must be made today because all transfer decision for all sports must be made by July 1st .
 
I'll reserve judgement until after an independent investigation.
Why do you feel this was not an independent investigation? This is a highly credible news source.
 
I suspect when the investigation report (there will be a report right?) issues Q Ball keeps his job and is made to take sensitivity training.
 
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That person is me and I am not smearing anyone. Apparently you haven't been a fan long enough to recognize the difference between 1990 Geno and 2021 Geno. All I'm saying is that Auriemma would not survive in today's climate. Read his friggen' book.
Lol, I doubt you've been aware of Geno longer than I have. No, what you said is Geno has had equivalent behavior (e.g. inappropriate kissing, grabbing players' "pelvic areas") at UConn that Quinton is accused of Syracuse. I will say now that you are a willfully being inaccurate (or in the vernacular... are a liar) as that has not happened. If you believe to the contrary, post the supposed events.
 
Why do you feel this was not an independent investigation? This is a highly credible news source.
They are reporting the allegations, not investigating them. I'm sure that they've verified the allegations, not the actual occurrence.
 
The punch/poke thing was substantiated. From Auriemma's book -

I look over at Kris Lamb and she is sitting with her elbows on her knees, and she has her head down. She’s playing awful, just like everyone else, but it just totally ticks me off that her head is down like that. I go over to her, and I whack her arm off her knees and I tell her, “You look me in the eye when I’m talking to you. Do you understand?” She’s a little startled, but mostly she’s ticked off, so she stares at me with complete disdain, and I rant a little more, and then we go out and win the game by 23 points. That’s in December. By February, our team is really splintered. We manage to win games, but there are two distinct groups: the kids CD and I have brought in, which includes Kris, Kerry, Laura, and Heidi Robbins, and the other nine kids we inherit. Those nine kids, for the most part, aren’t playing as much as they think they should, feel like they are second-class citizens, and want things, I guess, to go back to the way they used to be. It is a very difficult year for everyone.

My point in all this is that Auriemma of 30 years ago would not survive in today's climate where molehills become mountains in the media. Fortunately, he was smart enough to change with the times.
So that, in your mind is equivalent to kissing players and placing hands on their "pelvic areas"? Because it sure it isn't to me.

We know that Geno can "survive" in today's world because he does everyday. We don't have to imagine what 37 year old Geno would do, and frankly that imagination is entirely irrelevant to discussion of what Quinton is accused of doing in 2021.
 
Yeah if you read the Tennessee boards at the height of the rivalry there were many unsubstantiated allegations. That wasn't one of them.
I’m curious. Do you have transcripts of every post on the Tenn boards for the last 26 years? How could you possibly make this categorical statement? Not saying you are right or wrong, just puzzled as to how you could possibly be so definite?
 
Why do you feel this was not an independent investigation? This is a highly credible news source.
Because in my opinion independence doesn't necessarily mean credible. What they reported may be factual, but two things jump out to me. There's no rebuttal nor context so I reserve the right to call it credible. They could have reported I killed someone, but if they don't report that they broke into my home, then while factual...it would be wrong to tag me as some cold blooded murderer, no? I don't know what happened and under what circumstances and I don't feel as if I ever will until I hear the whole story.
 
The number is actually 12 not 11.
(1)Emily Engstler (2)Kiara Lewis, (3) Digna Strautmane, (4)Maeva Djaldi-Tabdi, (5)Amaya Finklea-Guity, (6) Taleah Washington, (7)Lauren Fitzmaurice, (8) Kiara Fisher, (9) Faith Blackstone, (10). Khamya McNeal (11) Maud Huijbens (12) Kamilla Cardoso. At least five of the Orange's latest transfers will stay within the conference. Kiara Lewis to Clemson Tigers. Digna Strautmane will head to Georgia Tech. Emily Engstler, Amaya Finklea-Guity, and Maeva Djaldi-Tabdi are taking their talents to Louisville, Duke, and Miami, respectively. Cardoso of course landed at South Carolina. Taleah Washington is transferring to Old Dominion. Kiara Fisher transfed to Marist College.
As of June 4th Lauren Fitzmaurice is the only former Syracuse player remaining in the transfer portal who hasn’t announced a decision.

You also bring up an interesting point regarding the remaining players decision-That decision must be made today because all transfer decision for all sports must be made by July 1st .

I maybe wrong, but I thought they had until July 1 to transfer without sitting out a year.
 
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I’m curious. Do you have transcripts of every post on the Tenn boards for the last 26 years? How could you possibly make this categorical statement? Not saying you are right or wrong, just puzzled as to how you could possibly be so definite?
Yep, post your email address and I’ll send them to you
 
They could have reported I killed someone, but if they don't report that they broke into my home, then while factual...it would be wrong to tag me as some cold blooded murderer, no?
That's a huge stretch. But to make your rebuttal more apples to apples, I'm thinking after you killed your 12th person it wouldn't be wrong to tag you as a some cold blooded murderer.
 
That's a huge stretch. But to make your rebuttal more apples to apples, I'm thinking after you killed your 12th person it wouldn't be wrong to tag you as a some cold blooded murderer.
Numbers mean nothing without context and facts, absolutely nothing.
 
Another excerpt from "In Pursuit of Perfection". Again as a point of clarification for the posters that have comprehension issues - I'm simply pointing out that Auriemma would probably not survive given the current climate if he behaved as he did 30 years ago.

"CD, who makes a living out of being able to communicate with players, is so bothered by this group. She just can’t reach them. She sits in the bleachers with tears in her eyes. She says more than once that season, “If this is how it’s going to be, I’m getting out of coaching.” What she doesn’t realize is that’s what these kids want. They want to get us fired. At the end of the season, a group of them go to our athletic director, Todd Turner, and complain about how we run the program. They tell Turner we are physically abusive with our players, and bring up the incident with Kris Lamb back in December in Hartford. I am stunned."

Fortunately, the allegations from the players were dismissed by Turner. I'm not so sure that they would be dismissed so readily today. I think 7 or 8 players left the team that year. Only 2 by graduating.
 
Another excerpt from "In Pursuit of Perfection". Again as a point of clarification for the posters that have comprehension issues - I'm simply pointing out that Auriemma would probably not survive given the current climate if he behaved as he did 30 years ago.

"CD, who makes a living out of being able to communicate with players, is so bothered by this group. She just can’t reach them. She sits in the bleachers with tears in her eyes. She says more than once that season, “If this is how it’s going to be, I’m getting out of coaching.” What she doesn’t realize is that’s what these kids want. They want to get us fired. At the end of the season, a group of them go to our athletic director, Todd Turner, and complain about how we run the program. They tell Turner we are physically abusive with our players, and bring up the incident with Kris Lamb back in December in Hartford. I am stunned."

Fortunately, the allegations from the players were dismissed by Turner. I'm not so sure that they would be dismissed so readily today. I think 7 or 8 players left the team that year. Only 2 by graduating.
Why even spend so much time going down that path?? Good grief. It was 30 years ago. I would say probably 99% of the population who is over 55 or 60 probably wouldn't "survive" today if did the same things as they did 30 years ago. Frankly, I had no idea. And could have easily gone the rest of my life with out that info.

Bringing it up and continuously discussing Geno in light of what happened 30 years ago to try to prove you are right is just pointless. It's the type of thing I'd expect out of the Tin Foil Orange Brigade, not out of a UCONN fan. Head bang
 
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