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UConn07 said:
Add in the BC game on rivalary weekend and that's another game right there.
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If we're afraid to go indy because it will be harder to find opponents, well i'll tell you what - we currently don't have any OOC opponents for 2014 as it stands and we also have no idea who will be in our conf besides cincy/usf/temple. So add temple to that indy sched. this isn't that hard to do.
 
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
 
UConn07 said:
this isn't that hard to do.
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I agree, you're doing a bang-up job of being wrong.

Would I rather UConn go independent? Absolutley! Can they? NO!
 
UConn07 said:
The answer is yes.
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You cannot find 12 teams that will play UConn.

UConn isn't BYU. BYU has a national championship, a large national following, and a giant ESPN contract as well as their own network.

You're comparing apples to wheelbarrows.
 
zls44 said:
You cannot find 12 teams that will play UConn.

UConn isn't BYU. BYU has a national championship, a large national following, and a giant ESPN contract as well as their own network.

You're comparing apples to wheelbarrows.
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UConn can keep SNY - they practically run it as is when the Mets take to the offseason with men's and women's basketball. Do you think SNY is going to back out of the deal if UConn goes independent? They will be happy to broadcast UConn/Georgetown basketball games as well as whatever football we get.
 
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UConn07 said:
UConn can keep SNY - they practically run it as is when the Mets take to the offseason with men's and women's basketball. Do you think SNY is going to back out of the deal if UConn goes independent? They will be happy to broadcast UConn/Georgetown basketball games as well as whatever football we get.
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It's not about them backing out of the deal. It's about them being able to sublicence Big 12 or ACC or SEC games and get better ratings.

Let me break down your other schedule, BYU:

@ Virginia (ACC)
Texas (Big XII)
Utah (Pac XII)
@ Utah State (regional rivalry)
Georgia Tech (ACC)
@ Houston
Boise State
@ Wisconsin (BIG)
Middle Tennessee State
@ Notre Dame
@ Hawaii
It isn't BYU TV (which is available around the WORLD btw) vs SNY...it's ESPN vs SNY!!!!

Of the major conference teams, maybe you get a deal with one of them. Texas does a deal with BYU as both have independent TV deals with ESPN (LHN/BYU deal). Utah and Boise State are a reigonal rivals. The ACC has no interest in playing UConn, so I doubt you can get an ACC team.

Notre Dame's schedule is set a decade in advance. No dice there.

That leaves games against Houston, MTSU and Hawaii. Insert a random BCS opponent. That's four total games. Add a FCS and you're up to five.

Five. Total. I didn't even GET to home/away games.

BYU had five home games last year and played outside a lot of traditional timeslots. They're 10 times the football school UConn is.

It doesn't work.
It can't work.
It won't work.
It's why BYU is considering abandoning it.
 
zls44 said:
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
BC will not play UConn.
Pitt will not play UConn.
Syracuse will not play UConn.
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Ah so this is how ESPN gets its "partners" to do its evil bidding. Mind control.

 
The reason BC/Syracuse/Pitt would play UConn is ____________________
 
zls44 said:
The reason BC/Syracuse/Pitt would play UConn is ____________________
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ESPN let's them off the leash to run free every once in a while?
 
zls44 said:
The reason BC/Syracuse/Pitt would play UConn is ____________________
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The reason Michigan and Tennessee would play UConn at the Rent is ________________.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Again, explain to me why Louisville beat out UConn if academics matters? Explain to me why WVU beat out Louisville for the Big12? The answer is simple, but you keep harping on about it like it's true. It isn't true. MONEY is true.

Now if you want to talk about monetary arguments as to why Tulane might work and NIU might not, fine. I'm assuming that some version of numbers is what Aresco based the Tulane move on (even if I don't agree with it). But everyone please stop with the academics. Outside of the B1G, nobody gives a . The reason Boise hasn't been added to the Pac12 is because the Pac12 doesn't believe that Idaho adds anything to their bottom line. Period.
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Because it matters but isn't the only factor. There are always lots of factors. First, it matters little to the B12, which doesn't have a strong academic rep as part of their image. So WVU was not much different than the average school in the Big 12. But remember that the ACC rejected WVU based on academics.

As for Louisville, in reading the details, the ACC thought that Louisville had rapidly improving academics, a strong endowment (more than twice UConn's) a high achieving athletics program in football, basketball and soccer, that brought in a lot of money and had a national brand. Then FSU reportedly threatened to leave if they didn't add UL. So they held thier noses and added a school that was worse than NCST, but which may not be worse for very long.

If university presidents are anything, they are snobs. Nobody in the Pac would even let anyone from Boise St. dirty their foyer. There is just no way.
 
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zls44 said:
It's not about them backing out of the deal. It's about them being able to sublicence Big 12 or ACC or SEC games and get better ratings.

Let me break down your other schedule, BYU:

@ Virginia (ACC)
Texas (Big XII)
Utah (Pac XII)
@ Utah State (regional rivalry)
Georgia Tech (ACC)
@ Houston
Boise State
@ Wisconsin (BIG)
Middle Tennessee State
@ Notre Dame
@ Hawaii
It isn't BYU TV (which is available around the WORLD btw) vs SNY...it's ESPN vs SNY!!!!

Of the major conference teams, maybe you get a deal with one of them. Texas does a deal with BYU as both have independent TV deals with ESPN (LHN/BYU deal). Utah and Boise State are a reigonal rivals. The ACC has no interest in playing UConn, so I doubt you can get an ACC team.

Notre Dame's schedule is set a decade in advance. No dice there.

That leaves games against Houston, MTSU and Hawaii. Insert a random BCS opponent. That's four total games. Add a FCS and you're up to five.

Five. Total. I didn't even GET to home/away games.

BYU had five home games last year and played outside a lot of traditional timeslots. They're 10 times the football school UConn is.

It doesn't work.
It can't work.
It won't work.
It's why BYU is considering abandoning it.
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This. This is the reality. People on this board are downright delusional when it comes to being an independent. And you're absolutely right that BYU is really looking hard at abandoning independence. The new "BCS-type" bowl alignment and other bowl tie-ins are practically forcing them to, along with the fact that they will continue to struggle in long-term scheduling of opponents and tv revenues.

If people don't like what our conference schedule will look like in 2014, I'd love for them to take a gander at what it would look like if we were independent...
 
HuskyHawk said:
Because it matters but isn't the only factor. There are always lots of factors. First, it matters little to the B12, which doesn't have a strong academic rep as part of their image. So WVU was not much different than the average school in the Big 12. But remember that the ACC rejected WVU based on academics.

As for Louisville, in reading the details, the ACC thought that Louisville had rapidly improving academics, a strong endowment (more than twice UConn's) a high achieving athletics program in football, basketball and soccer, that brought in a lot of money and had a national brand. Then FSU reportedly threatened to leave if they didn't add UL. So they held thier noses and added a school that was worse than NCST, but which may not be worse for very long.

If university presidents are anything, they are snobs. Nobody in the Pac would even let anyone from Boise St. dirty their foyer. There is just no way.
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The ACC accepted Louisville because Florida State and Clemson said they needed a "football school." Don't tell me about "rapidly improving academics" at Louisville, because you are embarrassing yourself. The perception was that they were a much better football school than us. Period. End of story. That's why they are going to the ACC and we aren't.

And university presidents are less snobs than they are mindful of where the money is going to come from...
 
HuskyHawk said:
Nobody in the Pac would even let anyone from Boise St. dirty their foyer. There is just no way.
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Not to keep harping on the issue, since this is the last post I'll make today in the "academics doesn't matter" department, but here is the ranking of one of the most recent additions to the PAC12 (you know, those snobs who wouldn't let anyone "dirty their foyer"):

Utah - ranked #125

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-utah-3675

How does that Nelly song go? Oh yeah, "Hey....must be the money!"
 
UConnDan97 said:
The ACC accepted Louisville because Florida State and Clemson said they needed a "football school." Don't tell me about "rapidly improving academics" at Louisville, because you are embarrassing yourself. The perception was that they were a much better football school than us. Period. End of story. That's why they are going to the ACC and we aren't.

And university presidents are less snobs than they are mindful of where the money is going to come from...
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And to close the deal, Louisville evidently did a ton of sales work on how they have improved research grants, academic facilities, endowment and so on. Is it all a bill of goods? Probably. But they needed to upsell academics the same way UConn needed to upsell football, and they did. I don't think UL was a slam dunk. Are the folks at Duke and UNC holding their noses? I have no doubt. Just like Susan Herbst is doing with respect to Memphis, Houston and maybe ECU. By the way...I think the Tulane add has her fingerprints all over it. A straight academic add if ever there was one.
 
HuskyHawk said:
And to close the deal, Louisville evidently did a ton of sales work on how they have improved research grants, academic facilities, endowment and so on. Is it all a bill of goods? Probably. But they needed to upsell academics the same way UConn needed to upsell football, and they did. I don't think UL was a slam dunk. Are the folks at Duke and UNC holding their noses? I have no doubt. Just like Susan Herbst is doing with respect to Memphis, Houston and maybe ECU. By the way...I think the Tulane add has her fingerprints all over it. A straight academic add if ever there was one.
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Now you've got it!
 
UConnDan97 said:
Not to keep harping on the issue, since this is the last post I'll make today in the "academics doesn't matter" department, but here is the ranking of one of the most recent additions to the PAC12 (you know, those snobs who wouldn't let anyone "dirty their foyer"):

Utah - ranked #125

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-utah-3675

How does that Nelly song go? Oh yeah, "Hey....must be the money!"
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And on a academic map, with Stanford as earth and Utah at #125 as the moon, Boise is Pluto.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
And on a academic map, with Stanford as earth and Utah at #125 as the moon, Boise is Pluto.
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Just so long as you admit that the Pac12 had to leave Earth's orbit in their last round of additions. Now you can drop the academic pretense...
 
uconNYC said:
The reason Michigan and Tennessee would play UConn at the Rent is ________________.
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Michigan didn't want to. They were desperate for a last-minute opponent for their stadium re-dedication and UConn held out to get that game. Tennessee negotiated it as part of a MBB series.

BC/SU/Pitt dont'/won't play UConn in basketball.

Next.
 
zls44 said:
BC/SU/Pitt dont'/won't play UConn in basketball.

Next.
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Is that what the ESPN meetings with its minions sound like? Or do you make them repeat it back before moving on to the next topic?
 
UConnDan97 said:
Just so long as you admit that the Pac12 had to leave Earth's orbit in their last round of additions. Now you can drop the academic pretense...
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They had similar schools in Arizona State, Oregon State, Wash State. Pac is clearly less about academics than B1G or ACC. SEC and Big 12 aren't at all. I still think Boise would never even merit consideration. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
CL82 said:
Is that what the ESPN meetings with its minions sound like? Or do you make them repeat it back before moving on to the next topic?
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Have you heard anything indicating SU or Pitt want to play UConn? From anyone? On either side, to be fair?
 
UConnDan97 said:
Just so long as you admit that the Pac12 had to leave Earth's orbit in their last round of additions. Now you can drop the academic pretense...
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Academics matters at some level. There are places the major conferences just won't go, places they will as long as there is enough cover. I mean Louisville is 160 but made all sorts of noise that they were investing to move up. On the other hand, no matter how much noise you make, Boise State is never going to gain admission to some conferences. From the Big East perspective, historically, academics have really never been much of an identifier. The league always had a pretty wide range from Georgetown to what are really regional schools of varying quality like Providence, Villanova and Seton Hall. Some, UConn and BC are good examples, really changed their relative status over the years. In the early years of the Big East BC was something like 90% Catholic, 75% from New England and much of that from Greater Boston. Syracuse was probably somewhere in the middle. After the 2003 ACC raid, the Big East went after the best athletic programs available, not the best academic entities. The big East in that sense was always more like the SEC or th eB-12 than the B-10 or the ACC.
 
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zls44 said:
Have you heard anything indicating SU or Pitt want to play UConn? From anyone? On either side, to be fair?
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No but then again I haven't heard much about anyone else they might schedule either.

I really don't feel strongly one way or the other, but the drama of your post prompted me to reply in kind.;)
 
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