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Are we underestimating the Big East?

First night we get into foul trouble and miss our free throws and trip in a conference game the sky will be falling..

We are not “ bulletproof “
 
I think this is accurate. However, Im starting to care less about the #1 seed in terms of 1st/2nd rd games. We shouldn't be scared of a 15 and usually, the 8/9 games are filled with P4 teams or teams like us last year. We talk about being screwed with landing in the Florida region but they didnt get a gift by facing us game 2, clearly.
Here is the thing - there is a fairly definitive top 5-6 teams this year based on what we've seen so far. Getting a 1 generally means we have a good chance of avoiding them until the F4 if we get a 1 seed. I would rather avoid playing a Michigan in the Elite 8 if at all possible.
 
Here is the thing - there is a fairly definitive top 5-6 teams this year based on what we've seen so far. Getting a 1 generally means we have a good chance of avoiding them until the F4 if we get a 1 seed. I would rather avoid playing a Michigan in the Elite 8 if at all possible.
Why, is Michigan good this year?
 
Here is the thing - there is a fairly definitive top 5-6 teams this year based on what we've seen so far. Getting a 1 generally means we have a good chance of avoiding them until the F4 if we get a 1 seed. I would rather avoid playing a Michigan in the Elite 8 if at all possible.
Well if Michigan is as good as you say they are then we're going to beat them at some point to win a championship, so I don't particularly care if it's in the Elite 8 or championship game
 
Well if Michigan is as good as you say they are then we're going to beat them at some point to win a championship, so I don't particularly care if it's in the Elite 8 or championship game
I'd like to see us play the best team in the NC on the big stage, and to get to a F4. The longer they're out there, the better chance someone else knocks them off.
 
It's not just that conference games are "tough". MCBB has a ton of parity. We beat New Haven (first year in Div 1 hoops) by 24 - about the same MOV as Seton Hall. Penn State beat them by over 40. We struggled against BCU in an exhibition game. I know that was early in the season, but it's indicative of this team.

We continue to foul way too much. And it's not just fouls, it's shooting fouls. I'm not sure why, but most of the teams we faced seem to have athletic guys with clever moves to the basket that get our guys to foul them. Apparently we have no one like that. Additionally, as Hurley says, the team lacks killer instinct. I suppose you could say that is true based on final MOV and the fact that we often get up by 30, then teams come back. Is that because they find an extra gear, or because we get complacent and lack killer instinct?

Who's going to end up at the bottom of the BE? Currently it's PC, Depaul, Marquette and Creighton. I could see a 35-40 point win against a few of them, but the rest of the BE games will mostly be in the 15-25 point range IMHO. Then I bet we lose a few - which will obviously be an unpleasant surprise...

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When you're up by 30 and let a team come back to "only" lose by 15, that's not a lack of a killer instinct. The "kill" already happened when the game was put out of reach. That's unfortunately relevant for "performance" computer rankings, and I acknowledge those are used in seeding, but I'm not ready to criticize a team for focusing on winning only and not winning margins. It's why if I was on the Committee I would only want to see resume rankings.
 
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When you're up by 30 and let a team come back to "only" lose by 15, that's not a lack of a killer instinct. The "kill" already happened when the game was put out of reach. That's unfortunately relevant for "performance" computer rankings, and I acknowledge those are used in seeding, but I'm not ready to criticize a team for focusing on winning only and not winning margins. It's why if I was on the Committee I would only want to see resume rankings.
We were never up 30
 
We were never up 30
It was a general point. But weren't we up 25 with about 12 minutes left? At that point "the kill" had been made. Did we keep playing to maximize winning margin? Heck no. Over the last four years there have been tons of games where we don't play to maximize final margin, so I would assume Hurley doesn't think it's important. But my point remains -- I don't view that as lack of a killer instinct. It's fine if you do.
 
I think this is accurate. However, Im starting to care less about the #1 seed in terms of 1st/2nd rd games. We shouldn't be scared of a 15 and usually, the 8/9 games are filled with P4 teams or teams like us last year. We talk about being screwed with landing in the Florida region but they didnt get a gift by facing us game 2, clearly.
I have no way to prove it, but I can assure you Florida was rooting for Oklahoma against UConn in the first round.
 
Nelson strikes again! Good one Nelson! Not at all like it’s a thread about the Big East being weak or not.

Why don’t you start a thread on the CR board along the lines of “The Big East is the worst conference in any sport in the history of sports” and take the rest of the haters with you? That way the rest of us who want to post about UConn sports don’t have to deal with every single freaking thread getting hijacked by this topic.

And I put the chance that you are an actual UConn fan and not a BCU or Syracuse or something like it troll at about 25%.
 
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Why don’t you start a thread on the CR board along the lines of “The Big East is the worst conference in any sport in the history of sports” and take the rest of the haters with you? That way the rest of us who want to post about UConn sports don’t have to deal with every single freaking thread getting hijacked by this topic.

And I put the chance that you are an actual UConn fan and not a BCU or Syracuse or something like it troll at about 25%.
I don't think anyone hates the BE - likely a little frustrated over the fact it's in a descending pattern that is unlikely to stop (I know some will argue this). Too many factors pointing in the direction that it won't. We're a state school with a FB program in a league of FB-less Catholics, with the best mens/womens hoop program. We're now kinda carrying the league.

I spoke to my niece this week about where her top student friends are applying to college. They're targeting schools like Clemson, Georgia & Tennessee. This is the trend folks. Social Media is driving it. Kids these days are gravitating to big brand state schools in warmer locations, as they see all the culture there as attractive. The football games, the social events, the culture.
 
Why don’t you start a thread on the CR board along the lines of “The Big East is the worst conference in any sport in the history of sports” and take the rest of the haters with you? That way the rest of us who want to post about UConn sports don’t have to deal with every single freaking thread getting hijacked by this topic.

And I put the chance that you are an actual UConn fan and not a BCU or Syracuse or something like it troll at about 25%.
This is literally a thread about the quality of the big east Nelson. No one is engaging with your asinine straw-men anymore.
 
I don't think anyone hates the BE - likely a little frustrated over the fact it's in a descending pattern that is unlikely to stop (I know some will argue this). Too many factors pointing in the direction that it won't. We're a state school with a FB program in a league of FB-less Catholics, with the best mens/womens hoop program. We're now kinda carrying the league.

I spoke to my niece this week about where her top student friends are applying to college. They're targeting schools like Clemson, Georgia & Tennessee. This is the trend folks. Social Media is driving it. Kids these days are gravitating to big brand state schools in warmer locations, as they see all the culture there as attractive. The football games, the social events, the culture.
Does it need to be said that speaking to your niece is not enough to draw broad conclusions from? Apparently it does.

Also apparently SEC football is a recent phenomenon
 
Does it need to be said that speaking to your niece is not enough to draw broad conclusions from? Apparently it does.

Also apparently SEC football is a recent phenomenon
Way more northeast kids are going to SEC schools in the last decade or so than they used to, it's well documented. I don't really see how it relates to Big East basketball though.
 
Way more northeast kids are going to SEC schools in the last decade or so than they used to, it's well documented. I don't really see how it relates to Big East basketball though.
The Northeast and Midwest have been losing the population battle in all kinds of ways to warmer parts of the country for decades. Somehow UConn basketball survives. And since the university itself is unlikely to move to, say, Georgia, I can't imagine why we're talking about this
 
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The Northeast and Midwest have been losing the population battle in all kinds of ways to warmer parts of the country for decades. Somehow UConn basketball survives. And since the university itself is unlikely to move to, say, Georgia, I can't imagine why we're talking about this
UConn basketball will survive, the idea is that it continues to flourish- it's the BE that draws the concern.

How the general pop relates to basketball is that it's a trend across age demo driven much by Social Media.
 
UConn basketball will survive, the idea is that it continues to flourish- it's the BE that draws the concern.

How the general pop relates to basketball is that it's a trend across age demo driven much by Social Media.
It's driven by costs, social media, college culture, politics, ease of getting in, weather, lockdowns etc.

I still don't know how it relates to Big East basketball. Players are going to pick schools based on getting them to the league, money, winning tradition, coaching etc.
 
It is really hard to go 20-0 in any conference. Crazy upsets happen. Guys get hurt and it takes a couple of games to adjust (happened to us when Clingon got hurt at Seton Hall). You just have an awful shooting night or guys just aren’t into it for some reason. It happens. And it isn’t uncommon to see a crazy upset even of really good teams. On the other hand if Butler is the #3 team in the league, any loss will be pretty much an upset.
 
It is really hard to go 20-0 in any conference. Crazy upsets happen. Guys get hurt and it takes a couple of games to adjust (happened to us when Clingon got hurt at Seton Hall). You just have an awful shooting night or guys just aren’t into it for some reason. It happens. And it isn’t uncommon to see a crazy upset even of really good teams. On the other hand if Butler is the #3 team in the league, any loss will be pretty much an upset.
True but I do think the disparity between the haves and have nots grows wider every year due to the portal and economics.
 
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True but I do think the disparity between the haves and have nots grows wider every year due to the portal and economics.
I would argue that is not the case. Portal and nil has caused a broader dispersion of talent. Prior to this new era, Alabama football had so many 5 star studs riding the pine. The 5th rb may have been the best or little or no drop off. Now the guys leave and when injuries come no depth. Consequently, Alabama is marginal. The sec is no longer dominant and the big ten has won the last 2 titles and rhis year will be 3. Nobody can afford to pay for the depth of the prior era and players want to play and money. Good coaches is the key. Big east will be fine, this is just a down year. Creighton lost a key piece early, shaka needs to wake up, pc coach needs to go. Georgetown will get there under cooley. Depaul is massively improved and seton hall is for real. This year is an air pocket
 

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