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I’m looking forward to seeing Brady play in college, watching the WNBA draft highlights last night , had me wondering if she has a similar skill set to Jasmine Walker from Alabama.
IMO, Walker is a smooth, finesse type perimeter player who’s an outstanding shooter and can rebound a little. Brady is a big, physical kid with excellent post up skills and is a very comparable shooter to Walker. Brady can bang and score inside plus drag a big outside and bury it from 17 and 3s. The position ONO has been playing on the high post is custom made for Brady.
 
You listed a lot of stats but failed to give us how many minutes they each averaged. Faris averaged 33+ while Griffin averaged 17, roughly twice the minutes for Faris. That makes most of your comparison stats look differently. Faris averaged a point and a half more/game in twice the minutes.
I'd say that Griffin actually looks better than Faris statistically if you were to convert those numbers into per 40 stats.

UConn was also very short-handed in 2011. Of the 10 player roster three ( Heather Buck, Lauren Engeln & Michala Johnson) didn't play. And Doty was limited in minutes due to her damaged knee. So UConn was a 6.5 player rotation.

In the real universe I think Griffin compares very favorably to Faris.
Per Nan's solid assessment, there is no real reason to ever compare Griffin to Kelly (or most UConn players). Kelly was the glue for her team - she needed to play as many minutes as possible. Griffin is a specialist - in most games we don't need her defensive and hustle skills. With so much talent the upcoming 3+ years, just sit back and enjoy!
 
You can break it down all sorts of ways, but the fact is Geno trusted Faris from the first day she arrived on campus, and he has yet to trust Griffin. During her freshman year Geno said of Faris 'I doubt she will ever play a bad game at Uconn.' As Nan pointed out, the offense crashes when Griffin is on the court. She creates mostly good chaos when she plays defense and mostly bad chaos on offense. (FYI - I notice more blown assignments when she plays defense, where two people end up guarding one player and another is left wide open.)

Kelly was playing against starters and was mostly off the floor in garbage time. Griffin played a much large portion of her minutes after the game was decided.
I like that good and bad chaos. On defense I have seen the blown defense assignments especially on weakside help rotation.
 
I'm not sure how this became a Griffin vs Faris thread, but I'll put my word in. I think people are making this comparison because both players are known for making plays on the defensive end. From what I remember, Faris wasnt an offensive juggernaut but she was serviceable. She was definitely a glue player, and she made the right decisions in UConn's offense. Stats are what they are, but Griffin is not the same player Faris was. Faris had a high basketball IQ on the offensive end. Like many posters have said, Uconn's offense isn't as good when Griffin is in the game. I'm not sure if she will ever "get" Uconn's offense. And even if she does at some point, there's a good chance one of the underclassmen have gotten first. She may not get the chance to show it.
 
So to play Devils Advocate about recruiting in general and in the future. It seems like with the transfer portal evolving as it has recruiting high school players may not be more important to some teams than getting more polished players from the portal. Why spend all the time and money to recruit a player who may never come when you have hundreds of players looking to transfer every season. Just thinking how building a team may change in the next decades..
Apparently 'Cuse with Coach Q has already jumped on this train..... in both directions simultaneously. Each year should be extremely different with them.
 
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The ball never got stuck with Kiah. She knew where and when to pass the ball. Aubrey gets stuck out of position a lot; when she gets the ball she usually makes a mad dash to the basket, making 52% of her shots. In Kiah’s sophomore year, she didn’t take many shots, true, but she made 66% of them when she did. Kiah’s greatest contribution was holding down opponents’ scoring in the paint, reducing them to jump shooters but Aubrey doesn’t really scare anyone. I used to laugh watching opponents do a U turn when they saw Kiah in front of them. She was on the conference All-Freshman team for her dominance in the paint.

I can’t think of any universe where a comparison of Kelly Faris to Aubrey Griffin is applicable. Comparing sophomore seasons:

Points. Aubrey 6.2, Kelly 7.8
FG% . AG 52%, Kelis Fisher 42.5%
3 pt FG%. AG 15%, Kelis Fisher 31%
Rebounds. AG 4.8, Kelis Fisher 6.7
Assists. AG 1.1, Kelis Fisher 3.7
Steals. AG .8, Kelis Fisher 1.8
Blocks. AG .8, Kelis Fisher .6

Most importantly, Kelly was a facilitator in the offense. She never hesitated, never stood with the ball trying to figure out what to do next. The offense flowed with her on the court.

I love Aubrey’s effort and some of the incredible defensive plays she’s had but the offense comes to a screeching halt with her on the court. Unless she can score on a fast break, I dont’ have a lot of confidence in her ability to get the ball in the basket. That HAS to change or teams will double Paige.
You also forgot to throw in the minutes played per game
 
With Dolson, Maya, Hayes, Faris and Hartley there is no way Griffin starts for that team.
Griffin would have been a sophomore, Dolson, Faris, or Hartley would have been coming off the bench.
 
Faris a Sophmore and Dolson and Hartley know how to play basketball. I don't think so.
UCONN actually had a pair of freshman forwards on that team that flashed great talent at UCONN before deciding to transfer. My guess is that Aubrey would have behind both Samarie Walker and Michala Johnson in that rotation. Walker in particular was a starter by game 5 of the season.
 
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UCONN actually had a pair of freshman forwards on that team that flashed great talent at UCONN before deciding to transfer. My guess is that Aubrey would have behind both Samarie Walker and Michala Johnson in that rotation. Walker in particular was a starter by game 5 of the season.
Samarie was doing alright as a frosh. She even did alright against Griner that year if I remember correctly.
 
The ball never got stuck with Kiah. She knew where and when to pass the ball. Aubrey gets stuck out of position a lot; when she gets the ball she usually makes a mad dash to the basket, making 52% of her shots. In Kiah’s sophomore year, she didn’t take many shots, true, but she made 66% of them when she did. Kiah’s greatest contribution was holding down opponents’ scoring in the paint, reducing them to jump shooters but Aubrey doesn’t really scare anyone. I used to laugh watching opponents do a U turn when they saw Kiah in front of them. She was on the conference All-Freshman team for her dominance in the paint.

I can’t think of any universe where a comparison of Kelly Faris to Aubrey Griffin is applicable. Comparing sophomore seasons:

Points. Aubrey 6.2, Kelly 7.8
FG% . AG 52%, Kelis Fisher 42.5%
3 pt FG%. AG 15%, Kelis Fisher 31%
Rebounds. AG 4.8, Kelis Fisher 6.7
Assists. AG 1.1, Kelis Fisher 3.7
Steals. AG .8, Kelis Fisher 1.8
Blocks. AG .8, Kelis Fisher .6

Most importantly, Kelly was a facilitator in the offense. She never hesitated, never stood with the ball trying to figure out what to do next. The offense flowed with her on the court.

I love Aubrey’s effort and some of the incredible defensive plays she’s had but the offense comes to a screeching halt with her on the court. Unless she can score on a fast break, I dont’ have a lot of confidence in her ability to get the ball in the basket. That HAS to change or teams will double Paige.
Earlier this year I did an analysis of point production with AG in the game and when she was out of the game. There was no discernible difference. The offense does not come to a screeching halt. It looks different and maybe not as pretty, but the overall output is the same. In fact, more often than not, the Uconn expands the lead when AG is in the game and many times the production actually increases.

Of course there are other factors involved but this is little difference in overall point production when AG is in the game.
 
I love Aubrey’s effort and some of the incredible defensive plays she’s had but the offense comes to a screeching halt with her on the court. Unless she can score on a fast break, I dont’ have a lot of confidence in her ability to get the ball in the basket. That HAS to change or teams will double Paige.
I want to stress Nan's last point. I think we all agree Aubrey is fun exciting player to watch, a great teammate and a wonderful young woman. Yes, we have had players who weren't offensive threats that have played a lot. The difference is that our past defense oriented players facilitated other players offense while Aubrey's deficiencies choke the offense and hinder 4 other players..
 
With the U16 trials beginning next month I've nailed down 19 of the 20 invitees. There will be only 30 total players trying out due to Covid restrictions.

Known UConn POI bolded:

Delaney Thomas
Madison Booker
Zoe Brooks
Riley Stack
Olivia Anderson
Aubrey Shaw
Mary Ashley Groot
Chloe Spreen
KK Arnold?
Jada Williams
Judea Watkins
Jayden Donovan
Tatum Greene
Milaysia Fulwiley
Corey Allen
Kendall Dudley
Breya Cunningham
Kennedy Ume
Taliyah Parker


UConn POI Jordyn Griggs ('23) also a U16 trial invitee.
 
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I want to stress Nan's last point. I think we all agree Aubrey is fun exciting player to watch, a great teammate and a wonderful young woman. Yes, we have had players who weren't offensive threats that have played a lot. The difference is that our past defense oriented players facilitated other players offense while Aubrey's deficiencies choke the offense and hinder 4 other players..

And her work on the boards affords her team mates (and herself) more possessions. That is a different type of facilitation.
She has limitations but I don't think she is anywhere near her ceiling and she has ben repeatedly described as a hard worker. Learning to hit spot up 3's, like learning to shoot fts, is matter of putting in the work.
 
And her work on the boards affords her team mates (and herself) more possessions. That is a different type of facilitation.
She has limitations but I don't think she is anywhere near her ceiling and she has ben repeatedly described as a hard worker. Learning to hit spot up 3's, like learning to shoot fts, is matter of putting in the work.
Agree on the extra possessions. Offensive rebounding is offense, and an easy put back from an offensive rebound is an efficient shot. Having watched the championship Bulls for many years, the most valuable offensive player on the floor, once a shot was released, was not Jordan or Pippin, but Dennis Rodman. He was the one player most likely to create an extra possession for the team if the shot missed. Granted he was one of the worst offensive players before a shot is taken, but afterwards one of the best.
 
And her work on the boards affords her team mates (and herself) more possessions. That is a different type of facilitation.
She has limitations but I don't think she is anywhere near her ceiling and she has ben repeatedly described as a hard worker. Learning to hit spot up 3's, like learning to shoot fts, is matter of putting in the work.
You are correct. Your statement stands alone on offensive rebounding and it becomes all the more important when someone screws up the offensive set resulting in a bad shot. The issue is not what she is able to do, but what she has been doing. Yes she works hard and still doesn't know the offense or when to switch on defense. Believe Geno when he says in five minutes you wonder why she isn't playing 40 minutes and in the next five minutes you wonder why she is playing at all. It is that inconsistency that frustrates me.
 
NSCA All-American Strength and Conditioning Athletes of the Year

PARKVIEW SPORTS MEDICINE PERFORMANCE

Ayanna Patterson
Junior


Ayanna exemplifies every quality a coach dreams about she has a work ethic second to none, a positive attitude, and an unrelenting desire to get better every day. In the last year Ayanna's hardwork, consistency, and discipline on and off the court has allowed her to collect division 1 offers from every major school in the country including UCONN, Louisville, South Carolina, and Notre Dame just to name a few. Ayanna used her strength and physicality to become one of the most dominant post players in the country. She is currently ranked in the top three of players for her class in the country. The highlight of the summer had to be her throwing down her first career dunk. ~Tyler Palmer


 
NSCA All-American Strength and Conditioning Athletes of the Year

PARKVIEW SPORTS MEDICINE PERFORMANCE

Ayanna Patterson
Junior


Ayanna exemplifies every quality a coach dreams about she has a work ethic second to none, a positive attitude, and an unrelenting desire to get better every day. In the last year Ayanna's hardwork, consistency, and discipline on and off the court has allowed her to collect division 1 offers from every major school in the country including UCONN, Louisville, South Carolina, and Notre Dame just to name a few. Ayanna used her strength and physicality to become one of the most dominant post players in the country. She is currently ranked in the top three of players for her class in the country. The highlight of the summer had to be her throwing down her first career dunk. ~Tyler Palmer


Ayanna’s strength and athleticism in only her jr year of HS is off the charts.
 
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I want to stress Nan's last point. I think we all agree Aubrey is fun exciting player to watch, a great teammate and a wonderful young woman. Yes, we have had players who weren't offensive threats that have played a lot. The difference is that our past defense oriented players facilitated other players offense while Aubrey's deficiencies choke the offense and hinder 4 other players..
This is just not true.

The overall offensive output on an analysis I did and showed in several games this year was no (or little) different when AG was in or out of the game. Total offensive production was approximately the same and many times, UConn stretched the lead when she was in the game. Saying she 'chocks the offense and hinders 4 other player is just not true.
 
This is just not true.

The overall offensive output on an analysis I did and showed in several games this year was no (or little) different when AG was in or out of the game. Total offensive production was approximately the same and many times, UConn stretched the lead when she was in the game. Saying she 'chocks the offense and hinders 4 other player is just not true.
Comparison is one thing and analysis is another. I would hope in your analysis there would some factors such as overall defensive strength of the opponent and offensive strengths of the teammates on the court with Aubrey. Whether the points were scored during a crucial part of the game or in garbage time. You might remember that the head coach looking to shake up the team first started Aubrey this year and when that didn't work as well as he wanted he tried Nika. Evidently Nika was his preferred choice.
 
Comparison is one thing and analysis is another. I would hope in your analysis there would some factors such as overall defensive strength of the opponent and offensive strengths of the teammates on the court with Aubrey. Whether the points were scored during a crucial part of the game or in garbage time. You might remember that the head coach looking to shake up the team first started Aubrey this year and when that didn't work as well as he wanted he tried Nika. Evidently Nika was his preferred choice.
I dont remember AG ever getting a start. what games were these? You are thinking of AE not AG. So NM was the preferred choice over AE. I am a huge NM fan but thought the head coach gave up a little too soon on AE in the starting lineup. She had a 4 minute audition and then back to the bench.

Yes there are different variables to take into account. For instance, in the Baylor game, we lost a few points on the lead when AG was in but yet we played a very small line-up for long stretches since Liv was on the bench. Hard to expect us to play so long with a small line-up and then blame that on AG. You have to also think of that too. AG often plays when Liv gets into foul trouble, which in general, especially against a big team, will make things more difficult, but yet we still kept it close. I actually thought AG helped us tremendously in that game. Then there is CW who gave up 15 points in the first half by herself, including a throw away pass a the end of the half leading to another 2 easy points for Baylor. Alongside AG's offense, which I know isn't proficient, she creates opportunities for teammates with her defense and also slows down the opposing team as well. She did a pretty nice job on the kid from Ark, holding her to 7 points when she was guarding her.
 
You are correct. Your statement stands alone on offensive rebounding and it becomes all the more important when someone screws up the offensive set resulting in a bad shot. The issue is not what she is able to do, but what she has been doing. Yes she works hard and still doesn't know the offense or when to switch on defense. Believe Geno when he says in five minutes you wonder why she isn't playing 40 minutes and in the next five minutes you wonder why she is playing at all. It is that inconsistency that frustrates me.

I think the issue is her potential, not her history. If she was not a hard worker I'd discount potential but she is so I give her (and others) the benefit of the doubt. There have been very few 4 year stars at UConn. UConn has so many players with so much potential who seem to be dedicated to improving their games. I'll wager that at least a few will succeed. It's going to be interesting finding out who they are.
 
I dont remember AG ever getting a start. what games were these? You are thinking of AE not AG. So NM was the preferred choice over AE. I am a huge NM fan but thought the head coach gave up a little too soon on AE in the starting lineup. She had a 4 minute audition and then back to the bench.
Good lord! Aubrey actually started 5 consecutive games for UCONN this season beginning with Butler and ending with DePaul. Those 5 starts also included TN and Arkansas. How could your thorough analysis have missed this? Peep this, Aubrey is actually a slightly better player as as starter than she is coming off the bench. Again I'm not sure how your analysis could have possibly missed that. As several people have pointed out to you her overall impact on the offensive end is why Aubrey's play does not justify more minutes. You actual have to watch the game to notice this because the box score can be very deceiving. Did you watch the clip of Aubrey whiffing on several screens that I previously pointed out or do I need to repost it.
 
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It's sort of like we've gone from famine to feast in terms of size in the next few years. The young lady from Ohio State will serve as sort of a buffer between the class's we now have and the ones coming in for the next two years. I can honestly say that I feel the coming seasons will be happy ones for the Boneyarders and unhappy ones for our opponents.
 
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