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AP preseason first team

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HooperScooper said:
Big East Media Day is tomorrow. Who will be on the first team? Solo?
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I’d put Tarris as likeliest to be voted preseason all conference first team (although Ejiofor may take those votes directly from Tarris so maybe not). Possible Solo and Alex appearances at second team or better since they were already there. Mullins obvious preseason freshman of the year if that’s something they put out.
 
HW611 said:
Just look at the All American lists from the last 5 or so years and compare them to the ones of the 2010s and 2000s.
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So you're saying the quality of basketball is going downhill? Players aren't as good as they used to be?

I don't think so - you can go hand pick some years that were better, but there are plenty of preseason AA teams that would be of lesser caliber than this one. Anything popping in 2019? I'd throw Haggerty or Dent in there instead of Condon. I think you just have to pull yourself out of the past being the golden years and catch up with today.

www.sports-reference.com

Men's AP Preseason All-American Players | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Men's AP Preseason All-American Players
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Yeah the random wildcard Condon inclusion just makes it seem worse. If that said Darryn Peterson instead, it would look a lot better in retrospect.
 
RuffRuff said:
So you're saying the quality of basketball is going downhill? Players aren't as good as they used to be?

I don't think so - you can go hand pick some years that were better, but there are plenty of preseason AA teams that would be of lesser caliber than this one. Anything popping in 2019? I'd throw Haggerty or Dent in there instead of Condon. I think you just have to pull yourself out of the past being the golden years and catch up with today.

www.sports-reference.com

Men's AP Preseason All-American Players | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Men's AP Preseason All-American Players
www.sports-reference.com www.sports-reference.com
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Last year’s AP POY award was between Cooper Flagg and a 6th year who averaged 18 and 10.

RJ Barrett averaged 22 PPG that year and Carsen Edward’s averaged 24. Neither won POY. Carsen wasn’t even a first team AA.

The talent sucks these days man.
 
HW611 said:
Last year’s AP POY award was between Cooper Flagg and a 6th year who averaged 18 and 10.

RJ Barrett averaged 22 PPG that year and Carsen Edward’s averaged 24. Neither won POY.

The talent sucks these days man.
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Cooper Flagg had one of the best two-way college basketball seasons of all time last season. He was better than anyone from that year.

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auror said:
Cooper Flagg had one of the best two-way college basketball seasons of all time last season. He was better than anyone from that year.

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Cooper Flagg was Duke’s best defensive freshman ever. Not sure if he’s top 5 offensive freshman that played at Duke.

Timeout am I looking at a stat that has Jon Scheyer at 11????

Deion Wright is the 3rd best player of all time?

What are you showing us man lol
 
HW611 said:
Cooper Flagg was Duke’s best defensive freshman ever. Not sure if he’s top 5 offensive freshman that played at Duke.

Timeout am I looking at a stat that has Jon Scheyer at 11????
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Scheyer that season was kind of insane when you go back and look. He had a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio while making 110 threes for a title winning team.
 
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auror said:
Scheyer that season was kind of insane when you go back and look. He had a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio while making 110 threes for a title winning team.
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And that made him a better player than Kemba Walker. Cool
 
Feel like any time we see an advanced stat that says Delon Wright was better than Anthony Davis and Jon Scheyer is better than Kemba we should probably throw it away.

Jalen Brunson isn’t even in the top 30 man omg lmaoooo

Im going to get on my podium here. But this is the part of the analytics community I do not like. Analytics are a great tool to get valuable information that can be used to help a basketball team.

But when random stats like this get pulled to talk about how good a player is or is not is when it’s like, what are we doing? There’s clearly so many cases on that list that doesn’t make sense, so why are we quoting this stat to mean much?

Some of the best players from that time period isn’t on this list.

Who is Thomas Walkup and why is this stat telling me he was better than Kemba Walker!!
 
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HW611 said:
And that made him a better player than Kemba Walker. Cool
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Out of around 75,000 players in the timespan, they're within 8 spots. Kemba had a slump in conference play if you recall, shot 39.5% from the field. Wore down a bit. The Ben Hansbrough of it all. He's in the 99.98th percentile in the model.
 
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Alex Condon averaged 12/8 in SEC play, 7/6 on 43% in March, 11/7.5 on the season. Needs a hell of a leap to sniff AP AA 1st team. Feels like the BE had two centers better than him. Trey Kaufman Renn?

I’m sure this is mostly just my ignorance not knowing anything about UAB but I’ve been seeing a LOT of Yaxel Lendeborg hype. I’m fine with this pick but feels like he is being set up to fail with all these expectations

Braden Smith for regular season 1st team is fine. I’ll laugh about it when he gets shut down by a more athletic guard for the 4th March in a row. Why isn’t PJ Haggerty getting more love here? Discouraging bag chasing? Maybe Ben Stirtz sleeper pick?

I like the JT Toppin pick. He’s primed for (another) breakout year

If you have to pick one freshman, they picked a good one. But Darryn Peterson and Cam Boozer should use this as bulletin board material
 
auror said:
Out of around 75,000 players in the timespan, they're within 8 spots. Kemba had a slump in conference play if you recall, shot 39.5% from the field. Wore down a bit. The Ben Hansbrough of it all. He's in the 99.98th percentile in the model.
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Don’t you think because there’s things like that to cause flaws in the list, wouldn’t that make it one not to use when saying who is better than who?

Because if you want to use it to say Cooper was better than anyone. Then you’ll probably also say Jon Scheyer is better than Kemba. Or Delon Wright is better than Anthony Davis.
 
I have never seen someone so locked in on the old days more than HW611. First it's Uconn should be locking into developing 4 stars first and foremost, committing to rebuilding years to watch puppies grow (in the portal era). Now it's old preseason AA teams were better and today's stink. We need to find this guy a time capsule so he can go back and re-experience 2004 over and over. There is a refusal to adapt and appreciate today. The reality is that information, technology, analytics, nutrition, physical fitness has made today's athlete/game titanically better across all sports.
 
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