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AP preseason first team

Alex Condon averaged 12/8 in SEC play, 7/6 on 43% in March, 11/7.5 on the season. Needs a hell of a leap to sniff AP AA 1st team. Feels like the BE had two centers better than him. Trey Kaufman Renn?

I’m sure this is mostly just my ignorance not knowing anything about UAB but I’ve been seeing a LOT of Yaxel Lendeborg hype. I’m fine with this pick but feels like he is being set up to fail with all these expectations

Braden Smith for regular season 1st team is fine. I’ll laugh about it when he gets shut down by a more athletic guard for the 4th March in a row. Why isn’t PJ Haggerty getting more love here? Discouraging bag chasing? Maybe Ben Stirtz sleeper pick?

I like the JT Toppin pick. He’s primed for (another) breakout year

If you have to pick one freshman, they picked a good one. But Darryn Peterson and Cam Boozer should use this as bulletin board material
 
auror said:
Out of around 75,000 players in the timespan, they're within 8 spots. Kemba had a slump in conference play if you recall, shot 39.5% from the field. Wore down a bit. The Ben Hansbrough of it all. He's in the 99.98th percentile in the model.
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Don’t you think because there’s things like that to cause flaws in the list, wouldn’t that make it one not to use when saying who is better than who?

Because if you want to use it to say Cooper was better than anyone. Then you’ll probably also say Jon Scheyer is better than Kemba. Or Delon Wright is better than Anthony Davis.
 
I have never seen someone so locked in on the old days more than HW611. First it's Uconn should be locking into developing 4 stars first and foremost, committing to rebuilding years to watch puppies grow (in the portal era). Now it's old preseason AA teams were better and today's stink. We need to find this guy a time capsule so he can go back and re-experience 2004 over and over. There is a refusal to adapt and appreciate today. The reality is that information, technology, analytics, nutrition, physical fitness has made today's athlete/game titanically better across all sports.
 
REB1094 said:
Alex Condon averaged 12/8 in SEC play, 7/6 on 43% in March, 11/7.5 on the season. Needs a hell of a leap to sniff AP AA 1st team. Feels like the BE had two centers better than him. Trey Kaufman Renn?

I’m sure this is mostly just my ignorance not knowing anything about UAB but I’ve been seeing a LOT of Yaxel Lendeborg hype. I’m fine with this pick but feels like he is being set up to fail with all these expectations

Braden Smith for regular season 1st team is fine. I’ll laugh about it when he gets shut down by a more athletic guard for the 4th March in a row. Why isn’t PJ Haggerty getting more love here? Discouraging bag chasing? Maybe Ben Stirtz sleeper pick?

I like the JT Toppin pick. He’s primed for (another) breakout year

If you have to pick one freshman, they picked a good one. But Darryn Peterson and Cam Boozer should use this as bulletin board material
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Yaxel is very, very good and excellent all around. He's got a bit of Cooper Flagg to his game that way. He finds ways to fill the box score and is a big athlete. I actually think he'll make a leap under Dusty, who finds ways to maximize his talent. JT is absolutely deserving and likely second best lock next to Smith.

I'm with you that I'm taking a lot of players in front of Condon. I don't get that pick at all. Perhaps the love for AJ over the other two frosh is simply on how their coach will use him.
 
RuffRuff said:
I have never seen someone so locked in on the old days more than HW611. First it's Uconn should be locking into developing 4 stars first and foremost, committing to rebuilding years to watch puppies grow (in the portal era). Now it's old preseason AA teams were better and today's stink. We need to find this guy a time capsule so he can go back and re-experience 2004 over and over. There is a refusal to adapt and appreciate today. The reality is that information, technology, analytics, nutrition, physical fitness has made today's athlete/game titanically better across all sports.
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This is a narrative that has been ran with without much thought behind it. Because it’s untrue, for basketball at least.

If you want to say role players are better today I’m with you and I agree. I remember watching Chuck Hayes have a multi year NBA career. Wouldn’t sniff a roster today.

But the stars are not better today. All this stuff has been good at developing role players.

I would go into examples, but you’ll ignore them like you just ignored the ones from 2019.
 
HW611 said:
This is a narrative that has been ran with without much thought behind it. Because it’s untrue, for basketball at least.

If you want to say role players are better today I’m with you and I agree. I remember watching Chuck Hayes have a multi year NBA career. Wouldn’t sniff a roster today.

But the stars are not better today. All this stuff has been good at developing role players.

I would go into examples, but you’ll ignore them like you just ignored the ones from 2019.
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I guess I just don't understand why you're constantly comparing today against the old days, with a heavy bias towards the old days. The sport has evolved.
 
HW611 said:
Feel like any time we see an advanced stat that says Delon Wright was better than Anthony Davis and Jon Scheyer is better than Kemba we should probably throw it away.

Jalen Brunson isn’t even in the top 30 man omg lmaoooo

Im going to get on my podium here. But this is the part of the analytics community I do not like. Analytics are a great tool to get valuable information that can be used to help a basketball team.

But when random stats like this get pulled to talk about how good a player is or is not is when it’s like, what are we doing? There’s clearly so many cases on that list that doesn’t make sense, so why are we quoting this stat to mean much?

Some of the best players from that time period isn’t on this list.

Who is Thomas Walkup and why is this stat telling me he was better than Kemba Walker!!
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The preseason All American list loses all credibility without Jayden Ross on it
 
RuffRuff said:
I guess I just don't understand why you're constantly comparing today against the old days, with a heavy bias towards the old days. The sport has evolved.
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I didn’t know saying stats from 2019 was having heavy bias towards the old days.

Yes, the sport has evolved so much to 6th year guys who jump an inch off the ground being able to win POY awards. Our game has came a long way.

What do you get out of holding onto this outlook that the game is better today? Do you think it helps UConn to say that this era is better than ever?
 
HW611 said:
I didn’t know saying stats from 2019 was having heavy bias towards the old days.

Yes, the sport has evolved so much to 6th year guys who jump an inch off the ground being able to win POY awards. Our game has came a long way.

What do you get out of holding onto this outlook that the game is better today? Do you think it helps UConn to say that this era is better than ever?
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It doesn't help or hurt UConn. It's just so objectively obvious to anyone with functioning eyesight.

When your takeaway to every single statistic is that it's biased and wrong, maybe it's time to look inward
 
navery12 said:
It doesn't help or hurt UConn. It's just so objectively obvious to anyone with functioning eyesight.

When your takeaway to every single statistic is that it's biased and wrong, maybe it's time to look inward
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So you, too, think Jon Scheyer is a better player than Kemba Walker.
 
RuffRuff said:
Yaxel is very, very good and excellent all around. He's got a bit of Cooper Flagg to his game that way. He finds ways to fill the box score and is a big athlete. I actually think he'll make a leap under Dusty, who finds ways to maximize his talent. JT is absolutely deserving and likely second best lock next to Smith.

I'm with you that I'm taking a lot of players in front of Condon. I don't get that pick at all. Perhaps the love for AJ over the other two frosh is simply on how their coach will use him.
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Yaxel is not very good & is not even close to the talent Flagg is- lol. Reason why he came back to college- his defense is limited at best- I do agree he should get better with his new coach- I don’t expect a huge season from him- time will tell.
 
HW611 said:
So you, too, think Jon Scheyer is a better player than Kemba Walker.
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Your argument seems to constantly revert to some singular obsolete comparison that you want the other person to address, as though it supports your whole argument. Super micro dude.
 
millertime7774 said:
Maybe it's just me, but is that the worst preseason All American team ever?
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It's a crappy group of players. We used to live in a proper society where college basketball players would have a full spread in Playboy magazine.

And count me in the group that Braden Smith is overrated.
 
EBonz30 said:
Yaxel is not very good & is not even close to the talent Flagg is- lol. Reason why he came back to college- his defense is limited at best- I do agree he should get better with his new coach- I don’t expect a huge season from him- time will tell.
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No one is saying he’s Flagg, but he averaged 17pts, 11 rebounds and 4 assists a game, two blocks. This as a 6’9” athletic big. He’s pretty much ranked top 3 player across the board analytically this year. Not Flagg level, the point is that he’s of similar size and fills the stat sheet across everything and is athletic.

Also helps UM unloaded the cash truck for him.
 
imagine only watching UConn, entirely lacking any context whatsoever and yet being the loudest guy on the board. Mr Dunning Kruger.
 
runner11 said:
imagine only watching UConn, entirely lacking any context whatsoever and yet being the loudest guy on the board. Mr Dunning Kruger.
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Remember yall tried to tell me how good Dalton Knecht was going to be because I didn’t watch him enough.
 
RuffRuff said:
Your argument seems to constantly revert to some singular obsolete comparison that you want the other person to address, as though it supports your whole argument. Super micro dude.
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I just thought the Scheyer Kemba thing would be most relevant to UConn fans.

Should we talk about if Bridges was better than Brunson and Hart at NOVA?

Players like Buddy Hield, Jahlil Okafor, and Jimmer left off the list completely?

Frank Kamisky being better than AD and Chet being considered a better defender?

There so much wrong with that list.
 
runner11 said:
imagine only watching UConn, entirely lacking any context whatsoever and yet being the loudest guy on the board. Mr Dunning Kruger.
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I always appreciate when a poster gets me googling something.

His view completely fails to recognize that the sport has changed drastically in the last 3 years with something called NIL & the portal. So this desire to replicate how it was done 20 years ago because it was a better sport would inevitably disadvantage any program in todays rules. That light bulb just doesn't go off.
 
RuffRuff said:
I always appreciate when a poster gets me googling something.

His view completely fails to recognize that the sport has changed drastically in the last 3 years with something called NIL & the portal. So this desire to replicate how it was done 20 years ago because it was a better sport would inevitably disadvantage any program in todays rules. That light bulb just doesn't go off.
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Love the thought that doing things to help make better players would somehow disadvantage a program.

That train of thought falls off the tracks
 

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