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AP poll 2/4: How far will UConn drop?

PAHuskeyFan said:
Thank You and I get it.
But, You over simplified my comments.
Fortunately the "talking heads" and "voters" won't decide the NC.
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Yes, fortunately :)

I for one won't be bothered by a 2 seed because I'd rather have UConn be the hunter instead of the hunted, for a change.
 
Plebe said:
Yes, fortunately :)

I for one won't be bothered by a 2 seed because I'd rather have UConn be the hunter instead of the hunted, for a change.
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It's all part of a diabolical strategy... CW's wall, Lou's shooting issues, and dropping to a 2 seed...gets EVERYONE else OVER Confident.... and UCONN will cruise to the title game. ;);)
 
Indeed, no. 5. By a 12-point margin.

 
And just to rub it in, the article features Geno's "where'd I put my razor" look:

AP Women's Basketball Poll Week 14

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my thoughts...
What ever.

Still more season and more changes to come. Fortunately for ALL of us it will be decided on the floor and not here. Just another thing for people to debate while we wait for the tournaments.
 
Yup, makes absolute sense...we lost to the current #1 and #2 teams, on their courts and ND lost to us, on their court, and unrated UNC.
But on the other hand, if they are voting on how people think that we playing (and reading the BY), well...
 
Is it ODD that UNC is only "Receiving Votes" when they defeated ND and NC State (the only unbeaten left until they played)...both teams in the top 7 in last week's polls??
 
At this point in the season, I don't believe UConn is better than Mississippi State. UConn should be number six. All, or most of the top five teams have their offenses clicking while UConn has had trouble scoring. I never thought I see the day when UConn struggled to score seventy points against the weaker teams.
 
The top 6 are all capable of winning it all. As long as we get Albany I would be happy. I can't imagine anyone wants to be the #1 in Albany if we are #2.
 
In looking at the way the pollsters voted, I am particularly perplexed by Percy Allen of the Seattle Times. Last week, he did not even have SC ranked, and this week, his ranking of SC falls way outside that of each other pollster by a long shot. Then, upon further investigation, I have to seriously question his logic. He clearly is either not taking his responsibility seriously, or he hasn't watched any women's basketball games this year and only looks at final scores and ignores opponents, SOS, actual flow of games (some scores are definitely not true pictures of how close the game was played, i.e. ND/Louisville, SC/MSU, etc.). For example, he still has NCSU ranked #6 despite losing to unranked UNC and having an overall weak schedule thus far this season. He also has TAMU and Kentucky ranked in the top 15, and BYU is listed at #25 despite taking 2 losses this week to unranked teams. I understand rankings are more for the fans than anything, particularly at this point of the season; however, I believe if you are tasked with the responsibility of casting a ballot, you should at least put forth some effort.
 
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PAHuskeyFan said:
Is it ODD that UNC is only "Receiving Votes" when they defeated ND and NC State (the only unbeaten left until they played)...both teams in the top 7 in last week's polls??
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You mean the team that lost to Auburn, Maine, and Ohio St?
 
vowelguy said:
You mean the team that lost to Auburn, Maine, and Ohio St?
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Having watched them the last two Sundays, I find it hard to believe they are not one of the best 25 teams right now.

I also can't understand how they lost to the likes of Ohio State and Colorado earlier this year. They are truly a mystery.

I totally understand why they are not in the top 25, but if I had a ballot, they would be on it.
 
That ties our lowest ranking in 12 years. Once Maya Moore stepped foot on campus, we've been the best of the best.
 
vowelguy said:
You mean the team that lost to Auburn, Maine, and Ohio St?
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I have been "lectured" all morning that Quality Wins mean MORE than bad losses. But what you are saying "who someone lost too" IS important???? but it's not for ND who lost to a team that lost to Auburn, Maine Ohio State? Crazy mixed up world... beating my head against a wall is more fun that trying to figure out what's important and what's not.Head bang
 
Fightin Choke said:
The reason that @bbballfan23 suggested is NOT how the voters will determine their ballots. You seem to be very convinced that the quantity/quality of losses is the most important determinant, for poll voters, for Creme, and for the selection committee. But the committee values good wins more than bad losses. I know that @Plebe and @vowelguy have explained this many times on this board, probably in response to some of your posts. Notre Dame has more high quality wins, which is why they are presently a 1-seed and Creme has UConn as a 2-seed, despite the fact that UConn beat ND convincingly in South Bend.

As for what the voters contemplate, who knows? It's probably different factors for each voter and I'll bet sometimes biases get in the way. But we don't have to worry what voters say because the tournament decides the champ.
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Hey Choke - you explained this to me the other day b/c I had the same issue. I appreciated your explanation, understand it and now agree with it. It was hard for me to get beyond “we beat you easily on your court”. Good wins is a good way to explain it. Plus, we now know that Williams’s game against ND was her career game (so far). At the time of the game we thought we were seeing the next Husky all american. She may eventually be that, but not this year. So her game was the outlier... and I’m not convinced UConn beats ND without that performance.
 
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j66kicker said:
UNC got votes. TN did not. Antonelli voted UConn ahead of ND.
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I may have to eat my words now, from a previous post regarding Antonelli and something to do with Siberia. Tastes good, thank you...can I have another? :rolleyes:
 
PAHuskeyFan said:
I have been "lectured" all morning that Quality Wins mean MORE than bad losses.
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Please don't pretend you're trying to understand. It's clear you had your mind made up before you started responding to this thread.

And btw, yes, for the committee, Quality Wins _do_ matter more than bad losses.
This thread is about the AP sports writers poll. NC doesn't have 1 bad loss. It had many. It is slowly gaining voters' respect, but it's hard to know which is the real UNC team. If they keep doing well, they will be ranked.
 
Orangutan said:
I totally understand why they are not in the top 25, but if I had a ballot, they would be on it.
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Likely for me as well, but voters vote on inertia and UNC had so many negative points from earlier in the year, hard for them to climb out.

Not to mention that the team that moved in Miami is 7-2 in conf while UNC is just 5-4.
 
vowelguy said:
Please don't pretend you're trying to understand. It's clear you had your mind made up before you started responding to this thread.

And btw, yes, for the committee, Quality Wins _do_ matter more than bad losses.
This thread is about the AP sports writers poll. NC doesn't have 1 bad loss. It had many. It is slowly gaining voters' respect, but it's hard to know which is the real UNC team. If they keep doing well, they will be ranked.
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VG, I would add that the sheer number of losses, 9 of them, outweighs the 2 quality wins so that @PAHuskeyFan can “chew” on that. Massey has them at #30 and they are playing very well right now so it’s not like they are overlooked, they need to keep it up...much to my chagrin :oops:
 
DefenseBB said:
VG, I would add that the sheer number of losses, 9 of them, outweighs the 2 quality wins so that @PAHuskeyFan can “chew” on that. Massey has them at #30 and they are playing very well right now so it’s not like the are overlooked, they need to keep it up...much to my chagrin :oops:
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Because the AP voters and the committee follow very different processes and rationales, it's not unusual for a team's AP ranking to differ significantly from their seeding.

But in UNC's case, interestingly, the two are almost the same: The AP poll has them in 28th place while Charlie has them at 27th.
 
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vowelguy said:
Please don't pretend you're trying to understand. It's clear you had your mind made up before you started responding to this thread.

And btw, yes, for the committee, Quality Wins _do_ matter more than bad losses.
This thread is about the AP sports writers poll. NC doesn't have 1 bad loss. It had many. It is slowly gaining voters' respect, but it's hard to know which is the real UNC team. If they keep doing well, they will be ranked.
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That was a bit harsh.
 
This came up recently: when are the Top16 rankings coming out? Gotta be this week, Id think.
 
vowelguy said:
This came up recently: when are the Top16 rankings coming out? Gotta be this week, Id think.
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I saw where someone asked Charlie and he said Feb. 11. Presumably at halftime of the SC game.
 
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