Anyone see the fantastic discussion taking place on the Syracuse board?

[alfonse]

honestly, the banter and rantings aside, a regular season OOC game does not fit the scheduling M.O. of Syracuse. Syracuse schedules patsies and cupcakes, and they do not leave Syracuse.

Which ironically enough leads to a highly ranked soft team mid-season. Did anyone else just have a deja vu?

 

[Scot-e]

Interesting enough it is Quse that " needs" to play us more then we need to play them. Yes- Uconn is in a hot steamy pile of a conference and Quse is in one of the two best conferences- however nobody gives a rats ass about Quse in the ACC.

If they wanted to stay relevant themselves they should have locked in a series when we cared more. Duke has long standing rivals- same with UNC and all the other top programs in the ACC.

Name a team in the ACC that Quse fans would talk about so passionately in a thread on their board? There is none- and that is the reason it would have been a great game to secdule plan and simple.

We hate them they hate us- perfect - let's play them every year- win or lose I would love at least a chance to spank them ( sorry bad choice of words when referring to Quse).

 

[CallMeBruce]

Is this thread about our message board? Because if it isn't, they're winning.

 

[Inyatkin]

Is this thread about our message board? Because if it isn't, they're winning.

Why, because we're talking about them? It's two months into the offseason and there's a growing thread about whether we should all be stockpiling gold. I'll take the Syracuse talk, thank you.

 

[amory]

Name a team in the ACC that Quse fans would talk about so passionately in a thread on their board? There is none- and that is the reason it would have been a great game to secdule plan and simple.

We hate them they hate us- perfect - let's play them every year- win or lose I would love at least a chance to spank them ( sorry bad choice of words when referring to Quse).

I know a bunch of Cuse fans and they're all pretty cool people. We enjoy the rivalry, but only in a "man I hope we beat your ass" kind of way. That's the point of being a sports fan.

But on that board, you'd swear the sport being played was Conference Realignment, and now that they've "won" they want to take their ball and go home. They're such narcissists that they actually believe scheduling a game with us might get us out of purgatory. We've won 4 championships in 16 years, but they think playing a regular season game against them would help elevate us to P5 status.

News Flash: CR isn't about basketball. It never has been and it never will be. Whether Syracuse agrees to play us every single year or never agrees to play us again, it'll have zero effect on whether we get into the ACC or any other conference. So let's just play the damn games because they'd be fun to watch.

 

[Inyatkin]

on that board, you'd swear the sport being played was Conference Realignment, and now that they've "won" they want to take their ball and go home.

That's it exactly. You heard that kind of thing, well, you won a championship, but we're in a good conference, so there.

The point of being in a good conference is to get better players and have a better shot at wining championships. It's not an end in itself. Or so I thought.

 

[Scot-e]

I think we are the ones that really have nothing to gain since we can schedule other teams that have bigger fan bases OOC. I just love playing them because the Ws are so highly regarded by both teams- they are right at the top of my list for " teams I like the least" and I would not have it any other way.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

Playing Syracuse at MSG would be a win-win for everyone involved.

 

[EricSD]

Haha so true, I love when they argue "Championships aren't everything", or better yet, "college basketball wasn't invented in 1999", meanwhile their first championship came in 2003, and when you compare accomplishments other than NC's you get:

UConn vs Syracuse
NC's = UConn
Final Fours = Tie
Elite Eights = (11 vs 9) UConn
Sweet Sixteens = (17 vs 21) Syracuse
BE Regular Season Championships = UConn
BE Tounament Championships = UConn
Success in the NBA = UConn by a landslide

Where is this lack of history or success outside of the NCAA tournament that I keep hearing about? We should be the ones hoping to never play their underperforming program ever again, for all the syracusefan posters who are surely reading this right now.

This is actually very interesting. People obviously look first to the NC's, and of course that's the Holy Grail and it's all UCONN by a landslide, but for the rest of the NCAA tourney stats, it's fairly even, with Syracuse making it to more Sweet 16's than UCONN. Now I'm not saying that puts them on even footing at all, but it does speak to the overall success of that program, albeit one that can't win the big one with any regularity...

 

[WestCoastHusky]

I would rather see us play UCLA than the fruits. We recruit CA extensively and we should be playing CA schools like UCLA and Stanford.

 

[caw]

This is actually very interesting. People obviously look first to the NC's, and of course that's the Holy Grail and it's all UCONN by a landslide, but for the rest of the NCAA tourney stats, it's fairly even, with Syracuse making it to more Sweet 16's than UCONN. Now I'm not saying that puts them on even footing at all, but it does speak to the overall success of that program, albeit one that can't win the big one with any regularity...

They are a top 10-15 program. That's undeniable, the only ones better are:

(No order)
UCLA
UK
UConn
UL
IU
UNC
Duke
Kansas
IMO MSU

Then you have:
Arizona, Florida, Cuse in some order.

 

[CTGoonie]

I love how they say Uconn's only been relevant for 25 years as if that's a small amount of time. I remember reading something similar 10 years ago where they said the same thing except it was "only" for 15 years.

 

[Scot-e]

That is funny since they have yet to be relevant ever -in any meaningful way -except to crush the NBA dreams of players who go there and consistently underachieve year after year.

 

[Onions]

There was a time when I would have wanted to continue to play Syracuse but that has faded. Now that it has been a few years since we played and them the rivalry has lost much of its intensity. The question of which program is better may have been over for awhile but our 4th championship really sealed it. We know it and they know it. It is pretty funny when their fans refer to Helms championships. Plus, they have no desire to play good teams out of conference but that may change when JB retires.
The only way this game would happen now is if one of the networks brokered it at MSG. I'd like to see it happen but not nearly as much as a year ago.

It hasn't been"a few years" since we played them, it's been one year.

 

[TheChamps990411]

I know a bunch of Cuse fans and they're all pretty cool people. We enjoy the rivalry, but only in a "man I hope we beat your ass" kind of way.

Thats because they are in your face not anonimously typing on an internet forum. some of those same "cool people" are the same ones talking bs on forums.

 

[Palatine]

That's it exactly. You heard that kind of thing, well, you won a championship, but we're in a good conference, so there.

The point of being in a good conference is to get better players and have a better shot at wining championships. It's not an end in itself. Or so I thought.

Rutgers could make the exact same statements, something that seems to be lost on the Orange fans.

 

[Husky1964]

Do they play ZONE in theNBA????????????

 

[Dooley]

I think too much is made about the AAC affiliation and "rotting on a vine" over there. UCONN just won a friggin' NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP playing in a mid-major conference. Conference affiliation will not have the same destructive effect on our hoops programs as it will with the development of our football program. UCONN has a national appeal. We can recruit anywhere (so can Cuse and other good programs). If Syracuse doesn't want to put UCONN on the schedule, other programs will because there is an undeniable reward in playing a top 5 program. So while their fanbase hems and haws at whether it would be worth replacing Colgate or Canisius on their schedule with UCONN, one of their conference mates would surely jump at the chance because whenever you have an opportunity to play a marquee game that would generate buzz, you do it.

Personally, I would love to see games against the Fruit on a regular basis. Neither program needs to schedule game(s) because of recruiting. Storrs doesn't give them recruiting exposure and upstate NY doesn't give us recruiting exposure. Both programs recruit nationally and both programs can hold open mic nights in NYC to land talent with very little effort. We certainly aren't "rotting" in the AAC as evidenced by last year's run and the level of top-rated recruits interested in coming to UCONN. As long as we are in the AAC (which I truly don't believe will be for more than 5 years), if programs like Memphis, SMU, UCF, Temple, etc can remain competitive, UCONN will always be able to get top OOC games. Scheduling the Orange would be fun for both fan bases and create buzz. I do agree that Syracuse is scheduling from an advantage because they do play a fair amount of marquee games from their ACC affiliation. They could simply decide that their scheduling practice of fattening up on cupcakes in Nov-Dec then go into conference play is who they are and they will still get to play games against Duke, UNC, UVA, Louisville, Pitt, ND, etc. That's a good schedule. We have more work to do going OOC but we have enough credential to get OOC scheduling done. But like I said, if Syracuse won't schedule UCONN because they would rather see UCONN "rot", other top programs would love the opportunity to play UCONN. I'm not worried about OOC scheduling whatsoever.

UCONN vs Syracuse would be fun for the fans of both schools and for college hoops fans across the country (especially in the TV ratings rich northeast). The schools are rivals (who cares who is each other's "top" rivals??) and there is an equal amount of dislike that goes both ways. That's what sports are all about, I thought. But if their fanbase would rather keep scheduling status quo and play Niagara, Conisius, and Buffalo types at the Carrier Dome, so be it. Their paper tiger reputation would only be cemented as they inflate their early season rankings with easy Ws then lose to tougher competition later in seasons because they never challenged themselves. I guess some of their fans over there truly do value 25-0 t-shirts over ones that say "National Champions".

 

[Pudge]

Syracuse is tied to City College of New York (Beavers) and Wyoming and Loyola of Chicago ... with ONE National Championship. Also, Maryland and a bunch of others.

Nice pool.

But in the deep end, UConn has elevated itself to something really special. Our peers don't include Syracuse.

And ... you have to remember what a Central New York Yahoo is like (which is what most of their board is about): they live in Syracuse. They shop in Shoppingtown Plaza. Snow up to their eyebrows. Flat. It's an awful existence (and I do know what I am talking about.)

 

[Kitaman]

Actually I wouldn't mind playing them, GT or any other original BE team. At least one team per season. Maybe I'm nostalgic, but we lost some rivalries, and I don't see any new ones in our future at the AAC.

 

[Buzzyboy]

This is actually very interesting. People obviously look first to the NC's, and of course that's the Holy Grail and it's all UCONN by a landslide, but for the rest of the NCAA tourney stats, it's fairly even, with Syracuse making it to more Sweet 16's than UCONN. Now I'm not saying that puts them on even footing at all, but it does speak to the overall success of that program, albeit one that can't win the big one with any regularity...

Syracuse has had many, many early round losses in the NCAA tournament and this is despite usually having a pretty decent seeding. The facts are that Cuse has embarrassed themselves and the Big East conference (back when) on multiple occasions by their early dismissals, usually against much lower rated teams. How many people can say that about UConn who has actually had phenomenal overall success in the NCAA tournament, at least since JC arrived on campus in 1985. The irony is that the Cuse fans continue to overlook all these humiliating losses, pretending they didn't happen. It seems they're locked into their own little world where the NCAA tournament doesn't mean anything at all. Look at this year and check their record. They started 25-0 and then LOST HOW MANY GAMES to end their season. Totally awful and yet their board is still inundated by clueless punks who must somehow delude themselves into acting like THEY won the National Championship, despite their historic underachieving ways. Weird stuff, indeed.

 

[GemParty]

Has Boeheim's style of basketball ever made him a candidate for an NBA job, over the years? Was he looked at after the Melo title? I doubt Hopkins ever becomes their coach. Maybe Gerry Mac one day. Are future coaches, obligated to run a zone there? It's only worked once.

 

[sledog]

Must be that crappy NY upstate wine.

 

[huskiesnyc]

They are above playing 4-time National Champions UConn. Why? Because they have 1 fluke title in their entire pathetic history. Boeheim leaving would help if they didn't have a coach in waiting that has been rejected by every joke program including Oregon State. But hey! They are in the same conference as Wake Forest so their results have to improve!

 

[aburks41]

Cuse fans are more pathetic than Donald Sterling's ability to get it up with V. Stiviano

 

[arnie3]

There's only one team from the old conference that we need to play year in and out and that is Louisville. The "Cuse game is no better or worse than the "U"-game. It doesn't help us at all to play them. As I mentioned before they are a team at a crossroads- a legendary coach is in his waning years and the future for the program is neither on an upswing or downswing. No one knows. The media waited on us after JC left, and I think that it is fair to wait on the Orange.What I've read here has more to do with either the past or some emotional tie that neither program ever had with the other. If JC were here than yes there would be some reason, but with KO there is really none.

 

[zyron]

This is my favorite from one of them:

"I grew up with the original Big East, that's when I fell in love with Syracuse. I would rather keep those rivalries alive than with any team from the 'expanded' Big East. I'm old school, I guess. UCONN doesn't do it for me. They never have. They have had a tremendous amount of success and we've had some good games, but playing UCONN just doesn't excite me for some reason, there just doesn't seem to be any true rivalry between the teams - the true rivalry with UCONN seems to be among the fan bases if you ask me."

Guess this old school genius wasn't paying to much attention since UConn is an original member.

 

[John]

Guess this old school genius wasn't paying to much attention since UConn is an original member.

There was a recent documentary about the early Big East saying that there were only three schools, Syracuse, Georgetown and St. Johns. The gentleman probably missed the Part 2 of the documentary where this other school came out of nowhere and dominated for a couple of decades

 

[Javi525]

Some wealthy TV exec should sponsor a preseason tournament with a rotating field of some combination of 4 teams from the original big east (including BC, no Rutgers). Have it in NY and it would be a mini BET every year and must see TV to start the season. Call it the Dave Gavitt Classic. I kind of miss playing Providence, St Johns and Seton Hall every now and then

 

[Mattydog7]

There is currently a heated discussion on the Syracuse board ( http://syracusefan.com/threads/annual-su-uconn-in-msg.77071/ ) regarding whether Cuse should schedule a series with UConn, much like the one they just established with Georgetown.

Just like you would expect, the entire thread is consumed with obnoxious and cocky Cuse fans who sincerely believe they are above playing UConn ever again. My jaw was quite literally on the floor as I skimmed through this thread, i have never seen a more pretentious and downright delusional fan base on a message board. If an outside observer who doesnt follow college basketball took a quick look at this thread, you would think Duke fans were discussing if it was worthwhile to start a home-and-home series with Northern Illinois University.

Their belief that every OOC game Syracuse plays must somehow "benefit" the program goes to show how delusional they are. As if playing UConn would be outlandish for them because it would do nothing for their program, how does that make any logical sense, this holier than thou attitude they possess is comical. They truly think the world sees them standing shoulder to shoulder with the like of UCLA, UK, Duke, UNC, KU, and UConn.

Conference realignment has truly been the single greatest thing to happen to that pathetic program, allowing themselves to space themselves from the single most successful program of the last two decades, in a way forcing the national viewers to forget their massive ineptitude at accomplishing anything nationally relevant. Having to play UConn each year reminds the viewers how far Syracuse has to left to go before it has any chance of even sitting in the same room as the current National Powerhouse programs. The day UConn gets out of the AAC, will be a sad day for the Syracuse fan base, and that simply shows how pathetic and miserable they are as fans, seeing as their own team never wins anything significant, they sit around praying for the demise of those above them, hoping to rise in the ranks simply by default. To be fair, I'd be just as bitter and jealous as them if my "lord and savior", Jim Beoheim, had his career accomplishment of a single NC was matched in the second year of a highly doubted rookie coach's career at a rival university. In fact, this picture posted on the /r/collegebasketball today really sums this situation of delusion nicely:

**There is a reason they were ranked in the Top 10 for most "Delusional Fan Bases in Sports", well deserved**

There is currently a heated discussion on the Syracuse board ( http://syracusefan.com/threads/annual-su-uconn-in-msg.77071/ ) regarding whether Cuse should schedule a series with UConn, much like the one they just established with Georgetown.

Just like you would expect, the entire thread is consumed with obnoxious and cocky Cuse fans who sincerely believe they are above playing UConn ever again. My jaw was quite literally on the floor as I skimmed through this thread, i have never seen a more pretentious and downright delusional fan base on a message board. If an outside observer who doesnt follow college basketball took a quick look at this thread, you would think Duke fans were discussing if it was worthwhile to start a home-and-home series with Northern Illinois University.

Their belief that every OOC game Syracuse plays must somehow "benefit" the program goes to show how delusional they are. As if playing UConn would be outlandish for them because it would do nothing for their program, how does that make any logical sense, this holier than thou attitude they possess is comical. They truly think the world sees them standing shoulder to shoulder with the like of UCLA, UK, Duke, UNC, KU, and UConn.

Conference realignment has truly been the single greatest thing to happen to that pathetic program, allowing themselves to space themselves from the single most successful program of the last two decades, in a way forcing the national viewers to forget their massive ineptitude at accomplishing anything nationally relevant. Having to play UConn each year reminds the viewers how far Syracuse has to left to go before it has any chance of even sitting in the same room as the current National Powerhouse programs. The day UConn gets out of the AAC, will be a sad day for the Syracuse fan base, and that simply shows how pathetic and miserable they are as fans, seeing as their own team never wins anything significant, they sit around praying for the demise of those above them, hoping to rise in the ranks simply by default. To be fair, I'd be just as bitter and jealous as them if my "lord and savior", Jim Beoheim, had his career accomplishment of a single NC was matched in the second year of a highly doubted rookie coach's career at a rival university. In fact, this picture posted on the /r/collegebasketball today really sums this situation of delusion nicely:

**There is a reason they were ranked in the Top 10 for most "Delusional Fan Bases in Sports", well deserved**