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Another angry voice: UConn is Leaning Hard Into Not Caring About Football

weyuo said:
The new AAC deal was too ESPN+ heavy for UConn's liking. The women's basketball program is of more value than the AAC would/could negotiate for so the powers that be in Storrs said we can make better money on SNY and big time event games on ESPN(UConn vs ND, UC vs Tenn, ect) so that sport at the very least pays for itself and then some. UConn men's basketball should save a couple bucks on logistics but how much, playing as many uninteresting league opponents as when they were in the AAC, is still a question. Who's going to Nebraska from CT to watch a men's or women's basketball game and.... who is going to televise it and for what kind of profit if any? And... the powers that be in Storrs have pretty much left UConn football to twist in the wind. If they can get their footing and carve out scheduling and results to at least pay for themselves then they can continue but it's clear they do this on their own. The state, the CT residents, the school are done with them. The football program has to sell itself now to survive. I think they can. This mountain I believe they can climb. And man will it be sweet when a top 10 UConn squad plays on New Years Day.
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What's with the Times New Roman?
 
kemba said:
It has a little impact imo. Not a huge impact, but I do think schools would favor playing us than UMass partially because of our brand name as a school
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We can't quantify the impact. It's all supposition. We do know that we use basketball to get football games. To what extent to ADs prefer playing us because we're a brand name in basketball? I don't know. I don't think anyone making the "national name" argument really knows either. It's just a convenient argument to make.

The brand is basketball. We are a basketball school. And I'm someone who has had football season tickets far more than basketball season tickets. You can't say we have a national name without recognizing the reason for that is basketball. Not academics. Not field hockey. Not baseball or soccer or football. Calhoun and Auriemma are why we have a national brand in basketball.

The men were coming off a final four appearance in 2009, the women won it all in 2009 and 2010. And here's UConn in the Fiesta Bowl at 8-4 in January of 2011, and how do the powers that be react? Dismantling the system that allowed us access to the most prestigious bowls, and leaving us behind in conference realignment.
So maybe the national name brand doesn't carry as much weight as people here would like to think?
 
WingU-Conn said:
The men were coming off a final four appearance in 2009, the women won it all in 2009 and 2010. And here's UConn in the Fiesta Bowl at 8-4 in January of 2011, and how do the powers that be react? Dismantling the system that allowed us access to the most prestigious bowls, and leaving us behind in conference realignment.
So maybe the national name brand doesn't carry as much weight as people here would like to think?
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Yes and no. The UConn brand doesn't carry nearly as much weight as most on this board would like to think, and while that's true, it's also true we were runner-ups in the ACC twice for realignment with schools whose value were perceived as relatively equal to ours (Pitt and Louisville). While being a runner-up doesn't count for anything, it's not like we were never considered or not thought to bring much to the table.

UConn is a case study in poor management, bad timing, and circumstances out of our control and that's why we are where we are. It's more that than we bring such little value that we were left behind and everyone taken ahead of us doubled us up.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Yes and no. The UConn brand doesn't carry nearly as much weight as most on this board would like to think, and while that's true, it's also true we were runner-ups in the ACC twice for realignment with schools whose value were perceived as relatively equal to ours (Pitt and Louisville). While being a runner-up doesn't count for anything, it's not like we were never considered or not thought to bring much to the table.

UConn is a case study in poor management, bad timing, and circumstances out of our control and that's why we are where we are. It's more that than we bring such little value that we were left behind and everyone taken ahead of us doubled us up.
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Giving you a like, but I never said we weren't big/good/known enough to "not" be considered, or that we don't bring much to the table. I think we bring a lot to the table, but for the one item that matters most, we don't bring much at all, unless we throw in some basketball games.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
Giving you a like, but I never said we weren't big/good/known enough to "not" be considered, or that we don't bring much to the table. I think we bring a lot to the table, but for the one item that matters most, we don't bring much at all, unless we throw in some basketball games.
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Sure, nowadays I agree with that. It's been a whole of a lot of losing since the Fiesta Bowl.

I think I'm optimistic that things will be ok. It won't be the Big East and it won't be the ACC, but it will be FBS football that hopefully has some winning/regional flavor.

I understand setting the goal of a league title/bowl game are lost, but ultimately I've always felt college football is more about enjoying playing rivals as the sport is basically set up for maybe 8 schools to actually contend for titles.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Why do you worry about how I spend my time? Where did I say my job was to educate people like you? I'd never accept that job. The pay is crap, the hours are long, and at the end of the day, you end up with people like you thinking that fans are the problem. Rather than the fact that UConn football has not had a winning season since the iPad was invented.

You know you lost this disagreement right? Because you're focusing on me, rather than trying to back up the ridiculous post you made.
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I didn't lose anything, maybe except some respect for WingU-Conn.
 
whaler11 said:
yep uconn football’s problem is the fans who can recognize garbage football when they see it.

not the fact they play garbage football.

makes sense.
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This guy is touting UConn's Fiesta bowl appearance as evidence of our national pull.

Ignoring the fact of course that UConn's Fiesta bowl appearance killed the BCS and led to the even more exclusive playoff format.

But some guys who have succeeded at other schools once coached at UConn!!!!! Look out Clemson, we're on the come up!
 
WingU-Conn said:
1) Yes UCF was a laughingstock at 0-10. Never seen a winless team NOT be a laughingstock. And they have nothing to do with us. Literally nothing. We're discussing UConn football's national appeal, and you bring up another school. Do you need more evidence that when it comes to over-inflating UConn football's national appeal you are exhibit A? Okay..
2) nobody thinks about UConn when they think about Ambrose, Orlando or Morehead. They haven't elevated UConn football's brand. Unless you're argument is.."UConn, great stepping stone for coaches!"
3) Yes. UConn was still pretty much a laughingstock both times we won a share of the "Big Least". Our winning it, was used as evidence that the conference was trash, rather than merely a success story.
4) UConn's Fiesta Bowl appearance was the death of the BCS system. Sending an 8 win team at a basketball school from what (fairly or not) was widely considered the weakest of the BCS conferences literally was the nail in the coffin. We changed the system with that appearance, and it's done nothing but harm to us since.
5) The fact you have to bring up coaches who have made their name AT OTHER SCHOOLS shows how out of touch you are with UConn's perception on a national level.

Please don't bother responding, you're out of touch with reality here.
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I hated to like your post. LOL But spot on.
 
Guapo said:
Yes it does happen.

For instance, UMass did a football buy game at UGA in exchange for a home and home basketball series.
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So how exactly did the basketball games contribute to the football game? UMass basketball stinks. UGA basketball stinks. UGA paid UMass to be their football punching bag. Did UMass take less money for the football game to entice a lousy UGA to play home & home basketball games? Makes no sense.
 
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AndOne said:
So how exactly did the basketball games contribute to the football game? UMass basketball stinks. UGA basketball stinks. UGA paid UMass to be their football punching bag. Did UMass take less money for the football game to entice a lousy UGA to play home & home basketball games? Makes no sense.
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This isn’t a theory!! This actually happened.

And guess what I learned from reading this article (one of many you can find on the topic with simply google search)? They did the same thing with South Carolina.

I accept your apology.

 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Yes and no. The UConn brand doesn't carry nearly as much weight as most on this board would like to think, and while that's true, it's also true we were runner-ups in the ACC twice for realignment with schools whose value were perceived as relatively equal to ours (Pitt and Louisville). While being a runner-up doesn't count for anything, it's not like we were never considered or not thought to bring much to the table.

UConn is a case study in poor management, bad timing, and circumstances out of our control and that's why we are where we are. It's more that than we bring such little value that we were left behind and everyone taken ahead of us doubled us up.
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I don't disagree there's been mismanagement but I'd say we're more of a case study of what it takes to succeed in modern FBS level D1 athletics, as a new money school.

The football independence does give us a chance to dictate and express our school's culture.
 
WingU-Conn said:
We can't quantify the impact. It's all supposition. We do know that we use basketball to get football games. To what extent to ADs prefer playing us because we're a brand name in basketball? I don't know. I don't think anyone making the "national name" argument really knows either. It's just a convenient argument to make.
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I agree, we can't quantify it. It's just an opinion. I guess we'll find out once we see what types of schedules we can put together.

The brand is basketball. We are a basketball school. And I'm someone who has had football season tickets far more than basketball season tickets. You can't say we have a national name without recognizing the reason for that is basketball. Not academics. Not field hockey. Not baseball or soccer or football. Calhoun and Auriemma are why we have a national brand in basketball.
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Of course

So maybe the national name brand doesn't carry as much weight as people here would like to think?
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Well saying that we should be able to have more success than UMass putting schedules together as an independent isn't exactly claiming it carries a ton of weight
 
junglehusky said:
What's with the Times New Roman?
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Last time I looked it was Georgia but your concerned on what font type people use? Man you need to crawl out of the cellar and come into the light once in a while. Get a day job. You'd be surprised on how much better you'll feel about yourself and.... as a bonus your mom could probably use the rent money.
 
Guapo said:
This isn’t a theory!! This actually happened.

And guess what I learned from reading this article (one of many you can find on the topic with simply google search)? They did the same thing with South Carolina.

I accept your apology.

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No one questioned whether it happened. You inferred that the basketball games were leveraged for football games. E.g. UMass/UConn is able to entice a football power to play a football game by scheduling a H/H in basketball with them as well. However, UMass was paid $1.5mm to play UGA in football. Rutgers is paying UMass $1.3mm for their game. Auburn is paying UMass $1.9mm for their game. And neither Rutgers or Auburn has basketball games scheduled with UMass. It appears UMass will play anyone in football for $1.3mm to $1.9mm. Any basketball games added appear to be made due to scheduling conveniences and had no impact to football.
 
weyuo said:
Last time I looked it was Georgia but your concerned on what font type people use? Man you need to crawl out of the cellar and come into the light once in a while. Get a day job. You'd be surprised on how much better you'll feel about yourself and.... as a bonus your mom could probably use the rent money.
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You're*.
 
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AndOne said:
No one questioned whether it happened. You inferred that the basketball games were leveraged for football games. E.g. UMass/UConn is able to entice a football power to play a football game by scheduling a H/H in basketball with them as well. However, UMass was paid $1.5mm to play UGA in football. Rutgers is paying UMass $1.3mm for their game. Auburn is paying UMass $1.9mm for their game. And neither Rutgers or Auburn has basketball games scheduled with UMass. It appears UMass will play anyone in football for $1.3mm to $1.9mm. Any basketball games added appear to be made due to scheduling conveniences and had no impact to football.
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Sometimes college administrators aren’t playing a zero sum Game of Thrones-style game. Sometimes they just like when they can kill two birds with one stone when making football and basketball schedules.

Nonetheless, this is a real, factual, well documented event. Saying “it doesn’t make sense” is like saying 2+2=4 doesn’t make sense.
 
There should be no doubt UCONN - University of Connecticut - is a Brand in College Sports. A attraction supported by Nike & IMG - Top industry influencers (can’t believe I’m using that term).

You leverage whatever you can.

UConn > UMass. It just is. > Liberty & NM State.

We can use Basketball Brand ... both MBB & WBB. That gets us in the door. A game at P5 doesn’t need hoop as a good incentive; it might come with the transactional nature of how we do things.
 
IMG has a lot of programs...an influencer.... but not very exclusive...from Abilene Christian, Dallas Baptist, and Elon to Alabama, UNC and UConn.

Nike is everywhere...from the Alabama Crimson Tide to the Albany Great Danes.

How to tell if you are a Nike "biggee"....go to the Nike Apparel and Gear page.... filter for your team and see if your fan base can order school specific shoes...
 
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billybud said:
IMG has a lot of programs...an influencer.... but not very exclusive...from Abilene Christian, Dallas Baptist, and Elon to Alabama, UNC and UConn.

Nike is everywhere...from the Alabama Crimson Tide to the Albany Great Danes.

How to tell if you are a Nike "biggee"....go to the Nike Apparel and Gear page.... filter for your team and see if your fan base can order school specific shoes...
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How about walk into a mall or Nike store in NYC or glance at ways IMG Markets

Abilene frigging Christian? Enjoy your dosage of Taggart.
 
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Pudge said:
How about walk into a mall or Nike store in NYC or glance at ways IMG Markets

Abilene frigging Christian? Enjoy your dosage of Taggart.
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Why the anger...IMG is just no measure at all...they have everybody.

Nike apparel...that's a bettr measure of a fan base...how much apparel is available.

Nike doesn't put out much apparel for fan bases who do not purchase.
 
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