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Fishy said:
If you don't think the conference is a detriment, holy cow, I don't know what you're thinking.

Can we recruit with the likes of Arizona, Syracuse, NC State, Florida State, etc., right now? No.

Are they better programs? No.

Sooooo...where do you think the problem is?
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Yes, the conference is definitely a factor, but I don't think it's the only problem.

Winning a NC and opening a practice facility should've mitigated the conference factor in the short term. It's looking more and more like this staff can't recruit.
 
UConn990411 said:
Yes, the conference is definitely a factor, but I don't think it's the only problem.

Winning a NC and opening a practice facility should've mitigated the conference factor in the short term. It's looking more and more like this staff can't recruit.
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How is Jalen Adams, Enoch, Daniel Hamilton, different than the Calhoun years?

That first championship team was stocked with Voskuhl, Ricky Moore, Khalid El-Amin, Rip Hamilton, Kevin Freeman. When you look at those names and compare them to the kids that this staff has brought in, there's not a great deal if difference. Moore, Voskuhl and Freeman were not top blue chips, while Rip and Khalid are not above the level of Jalen Adams and Daniel Hamilton as far as recruiting goes.

More than anything, the team lacks another guard for ball handling. You might say strategic recruiting is a problem for them.

But then again, I'm one of the few with threads posted here that the team absolutely needs ballhandlers, and I note that several of the people bitching and moaning the most right now told me I was crazy for writing that we need more guards.

Here's a thought: Boatright is gone next year!
 
Not sure what Daniel Hamilton has to do with anything.

And I'm a HUGE Jalen Adams fan - I think he's gonna be a top 10 player in his class. But people on here seem to want to ignore that the only big-time recruit the staff landed is a local kid who was a UConn fan growing up. Even with the NC/facility, they whiffed on every other big-time recruit they went after...and lost out to some middle-tier schools in the process. Is it the end of the world? No, but it's not something that should be ignored, either.

And let's not lump Enoch in with Hamilton/Adams. He's an excellent pickup and a heck of a talent, but he's also a complete unknown at this point.
 
I'm not blaming anyone, but the role players in 99 and 04 were far better than any role player we have now and better than a couple of our starters. I always knew our front court was weak, I didn't realize that our back court would look so bad even with Boat (minus the Yale game) being so good
I hope Purvis becomes a good starter and I hope Omar becomes a force off the bench. But right now a Kromah or even an Evans would be a big relief.
 
David 76 said:
I'm not blaming anyone, but the role players in 99 and 04 were far better than any role player we have now and better than a couple of our starters. I always knew our front court was weak, I didn't realize that our back court would look so bad even with Boat (minus the Yale game) being so good
I hope Purvis becomes a good starter and I hope Omar becomes a force off the bench. But right now a Kromah or even an Evans would be a big relief.
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The role players in 99 were also a lot older and experienced than the role players this year. Big difference.
 
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UConn990411 said:
Not sure what Daniel Hamilton has to do with anything.

And I'm a HUGE Jalen Adams fan - I think he's gonna be a top 10 player in his class. But people on here seem to want to ignore that the only big-time recruit the staff landed is a local kid who was a UConn fan growing up. Even with the NC/facility, they whiffed on every other big-time recruit they went after...and lost out to some middle-tier schools in the process. Is it the end of the world? No, but it's not something that should be ignored, either.

And let's not lump Enoch in with Hamilton/Adams. He's an excellent pickup and a heck of a talent, but he's also a complete unknown at this point.
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I didn't add Enoch with Hamilton and Adams. I added him as the type of athletic raw young man with potential that we've had in the past with the likes of Josh Boone. In other words, a cut above Hilton Armstrong and Gavin Edwards, etc.

As for not being sure why Hamilton is relevant, I'm not getting you. UConn usually brings in one top 20 player. He's that player. Prior to him it was Deandre Daniels.

For the record, I do think the talent level is much lower this year. But I don't think that speaks to recruiting as much as it speaks to cycles in the program. Now, if you we do nothing else this year in recruiting, I do think that's a problem, because the cycle will be broken once Hamilton leaves early. Last year's team survived the departure of Jeremy Lamb but you can't count on that going forward.
 
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intlzncster said:
The role players in 99 were also a lot older and experienced than the role players this year. Big difference.
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Cassel, Nolan, Calhoun and Purvis are not young. You mean Lubin? T Sam? (same grade as Saunders and Mooring)
 
David 76 said:
Cassel, Nolan, Calhoun and Purvis are not young. You mean Lubin? T Sam? (same grade as Saunders and Mooring)
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Where was Rickety when he was Soph? Rashamel? I don't remember Rash being a lot better than Samuel. Voskhul developed into his position as a junior and senior. Nolan is the type of backup we've had for awhile here. Sometimes they've been better, like Souley Wane, and other times about the same, like Okwandu. Calhoun looked like he was going to be excellent as a freshman. I loved the kid's intermediate game, he never missed. It is crazy that this has happened to his career, but there we are.

As for Purvis, it's my take that the real Purvis we saw is the one who scored 20 points a few games ago, not the guy with the high ankle sprain.

Purvis can't make the offense work himself, but if they start moving the ball quickly and spacing the floor, he is going to be what we thought he was, a Jerome Dyson type.
 
David 76 said:
Cassel, Nolan, Calhoun and Purvis are not young. You mean Lubin? T Sam? (same grade as Saunders and Mooring)
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They've got a collective 4 years (approx) of D1 college basketball between them. It's experience (not DOB) that I was getting at here.
 
upstater said:
Where was Rickety when he was Soph? Rashamel? I don't remember Rash being a lot better than Samuel. Voskhul developed into his position as a junior and senior. Nolan is the type of backup we've had for awhile here. Sometimes they've been better, like Souley Wane, and other times about the same, like Okwandu. Calhoun looked like he was going to be excellent as a freshman. I loved the kid's intermediate game, he never missed. It is crazy that this has happened to his career, but there we are.

As for Purvis, it's my take that the real Purvis we saw is the one who scored 20 points a few games ago, not the guy with the high ankle sprain.

Purvis can't make the offense work himself, but if they start moving the ball quickly and spacing the floor, he is going to be what we thought he was, a Jerome Dyson type.
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Wasn't rash our leading scorer as a soph? And Ricky was playing great until the incident with Kirk King?

I agree on Rodney and hope you are correct!
 
mauconnfan said:
Wasn't rash our leading scorer as a soph? And Ricky was playing great until the incident with Kirk King?

I agree on Rodney and hope you are correct!
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Rash was a big recruit actually who did well when he was young, but then he lost his shot and became a really good defender. Which Samuel can also become. I don't remember Rash giving them anything other than glue minutes as an upperclassman.

As for Ricky he was a whipping buy for awhile. Just like Taliek, Shabazz and Boatright.
 
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Upstater, we were comparing role players in 99 vs 14. That team had depth I would long for on this team. Ricky won a championship game for us. Okwandu is way better than Nolan (so far). Rash could shoot and T Sam can't Would you switch young Ed Saunders for Lubin? Albie for Jr.? I would. With Purvis not 100% we don't have a second ball handler.
I guess I don't get the point. You think the bench is better this year than in 99?
 
upstater said:
As for not being sure why Hamilton is relevant, I'm not getting you. UConn usually brings in one top 20 player. He's that player. Prior to him it was Deandre Daniels.
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I was criticizing the staff for whiffing on everyone after winning the NC and opening the practice facility.
 
upstater said:
They whiffed on Jalen Adams and Enoch?
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No they don't count because we were supposed to get them. And, anyway, I think we've already established that one of them sucks because some poster's brother said so. And the other one will surely suck once he gets here.

Please pay better attention.
 
David 76 said:
Upstater, we were comparing role players in 99 vs 14. That team had depth I would long for on this team. Ricky won a championship game for us. Okwandu is way better than Nolan (so far). Rash could shoot and T Sam can't Would you switch young Ed Saunders for Lubin? Albie for Jr.? I would. With Purvis not 100% we don't have a second ball handler.
I guess I don't get the point. You think the bench is better this year than in 99?
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Ricky won a championship game as a senior.

Okwandu is way better than Nolan? They're the same. People used to talk about Charles in the very same vein that we talk of Nolan today.

The point I was making is that the recruiting for that championship year is not different than what we have by this new staff. The team had two studs on it in Rip Hamilton and KEA with Freeman being the sort of middle of the road top recruit, but certainly not that top 20 level.

I guess I'm saying that UConn needs those two top 20s recruits with solid players all around after.

Jalen Adams, Daniel Hamilton, Rodney Purvis, Kentan Facey, Amidah Brimah, Steven Enoch, may win a championship at UConn. But only if Ollie grabs a pretty good point guard to help this crew. Is it so difficult to believe?
 
Don't disagree with that. And I posted earlier somewhere that we had 2-3 years of porer recruiting but the last 2 have been fine.
I just think those down years leave us a little thin for our bench. And yes I would prefer freshman Ricky. soph Rashad and Soph Saunders to T Sam, Lubin and Jr.Hope they prove me wrong. I think only having 10 players adds to the bench problem, but I understand why they did that.
 
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David 76 said:
Don't disagree with that. And I posted earlier somewhere that we had 2-3 years of porer recruiting but the last 2 have been fine.
I just think those down years leave us a little thin for our bench. And yes I would prefer freshman Ricky. soph Rashad and Soph Saunders to T Sam, Lubin and Jr.Hope they prove me wrong. I think only having 10 players adds to the bench problem, but I understand why they did that.
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I'm actually comparing Ricky and the others not to the 3 you've mentioned, but the likes of Brimah and Facey.

You're right about the Facey and Samuel class, and add to that Calhoun's class. Recruiting was down those years because of the transition and the probation troubles. Those two classes had nothing like a DHam or Jalen Adams in them.

Still need a point guard.
 
David 76 said:
Not Adams?
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As far as I can tell, UConn doesn't have a lead guard for next year. Adams has a good handle but he is a combo guard ala Kemba Walker. Hard to imagine him running offense immediately. It's gotta be Samuel.
 
upstater said:
As far as I can tell, UConn doesn't have a lead guard for next year. Adams has a good handle but he is a combo guard ala Kemba Walker. Hard to imagine him running offense immediately. It's gotta be Samuel.
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Samuel has shown very little in the way of point guard instincts. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Adams ends up starting.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Samuel has shown very little in the way of point guard instincts. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Adams ends up starting.
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Adams probably has to start from day one. Cassell or Samuel could be a stop gap here or there as a back up, but we need Adams to just take the ball and not worry about any sort of a pecking order. Next year, Hamilton can be in more of a playmaking role at the wing to ease the pressure on a freshman lead guard.
 
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UConn990411 said:
Lol. And this is why I never bother arguing with you.
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Thank god for that, because what I stated was a fact: Adams and Enoch came on AFTER the championship, not before.
 
If we go in to next year with Samuel as our starting point, god help us. To deny that outside of Hamilton our recent recruits aren't "UConn level" talent is absurd. We all know Nolan is bad and Samuel is at best a role player. But I think what concerns me the most is replacing our recent grads with players (excluding Hamilton) who's ceilings can't even come close to what we're used to. Next years class is good but doesn't solve our lack of offense on the post or shooting woes.
 
People forget that the 99 team had a bench of four star players. Rash, Mouring, Edmund, and Antric Klaiber were all top 50ish recruits. Mouring was #34 when he commited, Rash was top 20 (although he dropped a bit), Edmund was as high as #12 although he dropped into the 50s, and Klaiber was #41.
 
FartMan69 said:
If we go in to next year with Samuel as our starting point, god help us. To deny that outside of Hamilton our recent recruits aren't "UConn level" talent is absurd. We all know Nolan is bad and Samuel is at best a role player. But I think what concerns me the most is replacing our recent grads with players (excluding Hamilton) who's ceilings can't even come close to what we're used to. Next years class is good but doesn't solve our lack of offense on the post or shooting woes.
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The recruiting for next year is not over! Things will change and it will be positive, just wait.
 
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