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The connection of Davis, Brown and Gray (Muvunga -TBD) to Tennessee is via Diamond DeShields. Come on, even Stevie Wonder could connect those dots.

I can see your point Coco. There haven't been a slew of transfers like this in 20 + years either. These kids are bailing on their teams and coaches out left and right. Who's next? It would not surprise me if she ended up in Knoxville.
 
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Much is being made by some UNC apologists of the fact that about as many non-athletes as athletes availed themselves of the "ghost" classes, etc. What I have never seen is a time frame for athletes vs non-athletes in the classes. I remember reading something early on to the effect that the classes were originally designed for athletes but then some folks in the Greek system got wind of what was going on and sort of demanded to be let in or else, but I have never seen anything specific. Does anyone have any info on this? Seems to me to be very important in terms of athletic department guilt or innocence.
Zorro not sure I follow the logic with the importance of athletic department's guilt . Athletic department cheat, in UNC Greek system joined in-Both are equally guilty no?
 
Yep.... the Day twins at Syracuse committed to UNC when they were sophomores in high school. Local products from Raleigh I think. Probably grew up dreaming of playing in those putrid blue uniforms. Im sure they were heartbroken when they decommitted. UNC's loss was Syracuse's gain. One of the twins averaged a double-double and close to 3 blocks a game. The other twin is a serviceable backup.
Triad just an opposing point of view. The Day commitments as sophomore was verbal no real commitment on either side. If the Day twins blew up as Juniors and decided to go to higher level program that was possible. On the UNC side if better players become available UNC is obligated to revaluate. Of course feelings are going to be hurt in the process but especially lately we have heard of more kids de-committing than schools asking them to de-commit. I not going to fault UNC in this instance.
 
Will this be the "kiss of death" for North Carolina athletics in general???
Yes. The NCAA can fire both a pre-emptive strike and a death nail to UNC with a very simple posting on the website " The NCAA will approve/support the application of any UNC scholarship athlete to be immediate eligible in the event of a transfer. "
 
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Tennessee is looking at 2016 & beyond. Not looking at transfers. Only taken one in the past twenty years, but lately Tennessee is being connected to almost every transfer out there (Davis, Brown, and now Gray). Not sure why.

Very unlikely she ends up in Knoxville.

Wouldn't be shocked to hear about Mavunga transferring this week either.

True, but this is an unprecedented year for transfers. I can't imagine Holly not wanting to take a look at a great talent like Gray. I can understand why she would pass on Davis, with all the family drama and stuff, but if it came out that Holly didn't try to pursue Gray and their was interest on Gray's part to come to Tennessee, I'd be really upset Lady Vol fan. Also, we aren't exactly burning it up as far as 2016 recruiting is going. What happens if Holly strikes out on the 2016 class? Remember, she didn't have much luck with Brown, Mompremier, or Akhator. Better to be safe than sorry. And Tennessee is being connected to these transfers because they, at some point in the recruitment process, had Tennessee on their final lists. Just my .02 cents..
 
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Tennessee wanted Gray in the beginning, and if she wanted to come to Tennessee, Holly would take a look I'm sure. Gray had Tennessee in her final three if I'm not mistaken, and Tennessee had a really good relationship with her.

I trust Holly, unlike a lot of people. If Gray wanted to come to Tennessee, and Holly was open to it, I'd say welcome aboard and welcome to the family. She would help our guard rotation tremendously for sure.

Obviously, Mavunga hasn't mentioned anything about transferring, and all the talk about her is speculation at this point.
 
Regarding 2016, Cox & McCoy are likely to visit Knoxville on official visits, and both hold unconditional offers from Tennessee, as does Krystaline McCune. However, Tennessee does not lead for Cox or McCoy, but are not in last place either. McCune is a different story.

Once Cox commits, the others dominos will begin to fall. Very much doubt we strike out in 2016.
 
Zorro not sure I follow the logic with the importance of athletic department's guilt . Athletic department cheat, in UNC Greek system joined in-Both are equally guilty no?
It really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference, but if in the initial years of this operation it consisted almost entirely of athletes (which I would bet it did) and only later started taking on other students who got hip to what was going on, that would pretty much destroy the argument that it was not specially designed for athletes and that the athletic authorities were in the dark. I am just surprised that, as far as I know, nothing has been disclosed on this question.
 
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True, but this is an unprecedented year for transfers. I can't imagine Holly not wanting to take a look at a great talent like Gray. I can understand why she would pass on Davis, with all the family drama and stuff, but if it came out that Holly didn't try to pursue Gray and their was interest on Gray's part to come to Tennessee, I'd be really upset Lady Vol fan. Also, we aren't exactly burning it up as far as 2016 recruiting is going. What happens if Holly strikes out on the 2016 class? Remember, she didn't have much luck with Brown, Mompremier, or Akhator. Better to be safe than sorry. And Tennessee is being connected to these transfers because they, at some point in the recruitment process, had Tennessee on their final lists. Just my .02 cents..
Tennessee will be a full go for Gray's recruitment. Strong past connection, strong coach/father relationship and strong Georgia connection. She is too good of player not to pursue.
 
Forget Gray, we need Mavunga at Tenn if she decides to transfer, which at this point, you have to suspect she'll be following suit soon.
I agree...and it is very likely that Steph and Allisha will end up at the same school. Actually, I'm willing to say that they'll most definitely end up at the same school. I remember reading a couple of articles (interviews of both girls) expressing how anti-social Gray was until Mavunga was able to get her out of her shell; they're attached at the hip now. I'm excited to see how this all plays out though...
 
Forget Gray, we need Mavunga at Tenn if she decides to transfer, which at this point, you have to suspect she'll be following suit soon.

Why would Mavunga want to be Russell's backup for her last 2 years? To say nothing about why Tenn needs Gray. I was under the impression that Tenn had great depth at guard for the 3 years? :rolleyes:
 
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However, Tennessee does not lead for Cox or McCoy, but are not in last place either.


Unless you have private access to the Cox or McCoy families, assuming they've even come to any set conclusions, I don't know how you could possibly know this.
 
Much is being made by some UNC apologists of the fact that about as many non-athletes as athletes availed themselves of the "ghost" classes, etc. What I have never seen is a time frame for athletes vs non-athletes in the classes. I remember reading something early on to the effect that the classes were originally designed for athletes but then some folks in the Greek system got wind of what was going on and sort of demanded to be let in or else, but I have never seen anything specific. Does anyone have any info on this? Seems to me to be very important in terms of athletic department guilt or innocence.
I think the first 10 plus years of the scam/fraud was 100% athletes as they were not classes but independent studies, so each student was in a unique course - the problem was that this raised issues with the Dean and the administration for two reasons - single professors were teaching an unrealistic number of independent studies each semester, and individual students were enrolled in too many independent studies each semester, year, and during their aggregate years at UNC. When the issue was raised around 2000, the department administator then devised the expedient of creating actual 'lecture' courses that followed the same formula as the independent studies courses - no lectures, no meetings, and a single paper. The problem then was that the courses had to be made available to the whole student population and at that point the frat grapevine took over and non-athletes wanting a gut course signed up and could not be excluded.
 
This is a strange year indeed for front line players deciding to transfer and the 2013 recruiting class is decimated in terms of the top end deciding to change schools.

I have to believe that DD jumping ship a year earlier cannot have created a ton of warm fuzzy feelings from her remaining class at UNC who soldiered on last year - add DD back to that team and they should have made more noise. So I am not sure that TN with DD has a particular leg up with any other UNC transfers.

Most coaches are pretty leery of transfers for a few reasons - the fickleness that a transfer suggests being one, only having two years service from the typical transfer which reduces the ability to coach up their game being another. Probably the biggest is that it clogs up the roster spot that could potentially be filled by a player that will give four years to the program. Great talent (rare in a transfer) and specific roster fit, plus strong reasons for making the transfer mitigate the leeriness. Freshman transfers (rarer than sophomore ones I think) are a bonus in giving a coach three playing years plus one practice year as opposed to the two/three of the sophomores or the two/two of JC transfers.
 
Unless you have private access to the Cox or McCoy families, assuming they've even come to any set conclusions, I don't know how you could possibly know this.


My thoughts exactly.... They are keeping their favorites secret. I can't find anything online.
 
If Gray wanted to play at TN..... TN would have to be idiots not to take her. She'd be the second best player on the roster.
Is She a pg or 2 guard because Cooper is expected to be the pg of the next few years at TN. Does she want to be the go to player because she knows DD will be at TN. MD needs a scoring guard.
 
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Is She a pg or 2 guard because Cooper is expected to be the pg of the next few years at TN. Does she want to be the go to player because she knows DD will be at TN. MD needs a scoring guard.

She's a SG with enough size to play SF............ she's really really good
 
Does she want to be the go to player because she knows DD will be at TN. MD needs a scoring guard.
She was part of the class recruited to play with Diamond at UNC- there should be no issues there either.
 
I'm hearing speculation on Volnation that Gray may be headed to USC! Have you heard anything?

Speculation because she follows a former assistant and a current assistant... Besides that? No.. There is literally nothing connecting her to SC right now.

Just VolNation ranters being paranoid about everything SC again...
 
Why would Mavunga want to be Russell's backup for her last 2 years? To say nothing about why Tenn needs Gray. I was under the impression that Tenn had great depth at guard for the 3 years? :rolleyes:
Who says she has to be a backup? Id put Mavunga at the 4 and Cedes at the 5.
O and stay under that impression!!! ;)
 
Speculation because she follows a former assistant and a current assistant... Besides that? No.. There is literally nothing connecting her to SC right now.

Just VolNation ranters being paranoid about everything SC again...

Your last sentence is a stretch! Don't be that type of poster Gamecock!
 
She's been following Kyra for a long time. She doesn't follow any head coaches, only assistants. The only players I saw that she followed, other than UNC teammates, were Dunbar, Middleton, Cooper, Graves, and DeSheilds.

I guess we must be leading for her...:cool:
 
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Since the focus is on Gray, we sure would take her, she's not much of a need cause indeed UT is guard heavy right now, however we just lost Tucker who would have more than likely been our starting SG if her unfortunate events of the past had not taken a toll on her body. Gray IMO was a better scorer than DeShields their freshman year. Diamond is way more athletic of course but Gray was no slouch! If she wanted to come to UT, Holly and Co would be crazy not to go after her.

With that said, Im still crossing my fingers that Mavunga decides to transfer.
 
Your last sentence is a stretch! Don't be that type of poster Gamecock!

Eh. Stretch or not... Some of the stuff said about SC over there is just completely made up. I find it interesting how there's always a Vol fan with some kind of insider knowledge about SC.. Some of the stuff on VolNation about SC hasn't even made it over to CockyTalk yet haha..

What I like about VolNation is that the VAST majority of fans over there are very complimentary of SC, more so even than UCONN fans here on tBY... but then there's a group of about 4 or 5 posters that just hate our guts for whatever reasons lol
 
Eh. Stretch or not... Some of the stuff said about SC over there is just completely made up. I find it interesting how there's always a Vol fan with some kind of insider knowledge about SC.. Some of the stuff on VolNation about SC hasn't even made it over to CockyTalk yet haha..

What I like about VolNation is that the VAST majority of fans over there are very complimentary of SC, more so even than UCONN fans here on tBY... but then there's a group of about 4 or 5 posters that just hate our guts for whatever reasons lol

Lol well I for one support you all until you play us! :) But your team has become a threat not only in the SEC but on the National scene as well, you might as well get ready for the nasty comments from other fanbases especially on their home board! Lol
 
It really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference, but if in the initial years of this operation it consisted almost entirely of athletes (which I would bet it did) and only later started taking on other students who got hip to what was going on, that would pretty much destroy the argument that it was not specially designed for athletes and that the athletic authorities were in the dark. I am just surprised that, as far as I know, nothing has been disclosed on this question.
I read Mary Willingham's book (Cheated), and she discloses a lot about the origins of the "paper classes", as well as the alarming complicity at all levels in the academic, athletic and administrative parts of the university. It's very, very compelling, but you just have to believe her though, since the book isn't a legal document.
 
Not to beat a dead horse. For those who are still wondering what the excitement is all about concerning Allisha Gray. A reasonable person could look at the statistic complied by Diamond Deshields and Allisha Gray as Freshmen at UNC and concluded that Gray was the better player. Gray shot the ball significantly better than DeShields form both two and 3 point range 2Pt FG (48%to 43%) and 3PtFG(42% to 28%). Gray also out rebounded Diamond slightly (199 vs 194). Gray had a better assists to Turnover ratio than Diamond ( .84 to .75).
On the plus side of the ledger Diamond had 10 more steals (61 vs. 51). So how did Diamond become the National Freshmen of the Year and many of you never heard of Allisha Gray until now? Diamond put up 220 more shots over the course of 36 games resulting in Diamond averaging 4 more points than Gray. If the names and reputation were not attached to these stats it would be an easy pick. Every coach that has a roster spot should be beating thier way to the Gray's door.
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