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All Final 4 Teams from the West signaling the decline in NE?

I suspect that since he has, or seems to have , a "pipeline" on NJ players of probably equal talent to those in other parts of the country, that he has kept his focus regionally.

Of course, it there is a player in CA that has a relative in CT or some other connection to CT, and the player is a stud, then Dan Hurley should try. Maybe, he has put out feelers and has come up dry. I don't know that. Rudy Gay had a relative in CT.

Then again, maybe it is the budget.

Maybe, BY insiders can provide more definitive information.
 
BapeKidd88 said:
Northeast basketball is trending down in a big way.
It's no secret that the end of the Old Big East profoundly impacted the Northeast teams.
Syracuse is getting nowhere close to the talent that used to go there.
Georgetown is getting nowhere close to the talent that used to go there.
Go down the list.
When the NBE was formed, outside of Villanova, it was the teams from Indiana, Nebraska, and Ohio were carrying the league.
Like was said when Wisconsin (Marquette) and Illinois (DePaul) were added from CUSA, it became the BIG YEAST.
But those teams were needed to help with the talent drain.
UConn used to recruit nationally under Jim Calhoun. Danny doesn't have that ability. So, whenever he gets a guy, he's usually taking a guy away from Providence.
Jon Rothstein regularly writes that the NBE needs Georgetown and St Johns to return to their 1980s success for the league to really be good. I think that can be expanded to include the overall success of basketball in the NE.
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The Big East has three of the top ten recruiting class and five of the top 25....

So for that reason, and others, your theory is basically a pile of stupid.
 
jeff99 said:
Why does everyone always say “besides Villanova” or “excluding Villanova”? They’ve won 2 of the last 4 NCAA championships and have been consistently one of the best teams in the country. The Big East should not be penalized for having a great team.
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Because nobody else has done anything. Agreed that Villanova is a national power. So is Gonzaga. Nobody says the the WCC is a power league. Villanova is a national power. The rest of the league is made up of good programs with limited upsides and quite honestly, limited ambitions. I’d argue that the New Big East is better than the WCC. But here’s the thing. The zOld Big East had 4-5 Villanovas. Plus a couple of Creightons too. Most posters here remember try to convince themselves that the current league is comparable. When you point out things like 5 straight years with a team in the final four, 3 different teams winning national championships, D.C. 6 different teams making the Final Four over that stretch their response is well, MSG. So yeah, Villanova is a national power. The rest of the league is not. I would call it a major conference but not a Power conference. It has 1 top program at this point. UConn might make 2 though my guess is we are trending to Creighton rather than Villanova.
 
No ot means that Gonzaga has been good for a long time, UCLA has caught lightning in a bottle, Texas oil money can buy you a lot of talent and not just on the football field.
 
The SEC has hired some great coaches recently. Will see more teams from there have impact
 
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superjohn said:
I assure you BIg 12 fans don't say besides Kansas when they are talking about Big 12 basketball.
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Of course they don’t and here’s why. Other B12 teams have and have had for years, national relevance. You might not know this John, but Texas Tech played for the national title in 2019. Oklahoma made it in 2016. Ok State got to the Final Four in 2004. Yes Kansas is the Big Dog but not the only one. So Johnny they would be kind of silly to say “besides Kansas” when 2 others have gone that far in recent years, don’t you think? Here’s where you say but MSG MSG!
 
BapeKidd88 said:
Northeast basketball is trending down in a big way.
It's no secret that the end of the Old Big East profoundly impacted the Northeast teams.
Syracuse is getting nowhere close to the talent that used to go there.
Georgetown is getting nowhere close to the talent that used to go there.
Go down the list.
When the NBE was formed, outside of Villanova, it was the teams from Indiana, Nebraska, and Ohio were carrying the league.
Like was said when Wisconsin (Marquette) and Illinois (DePaul) were added from CUSA, it became the BIG YEAST.
But those teams were needed to help with the talent drain.
UConn used to recruit nationally under Jim Calhoun. Danny doesn't have that ability. So, whenever he gets a guy, he's usually taking a guy away from Providence.
Jon Rothstein regularly writes that the NBE needs Georgetown and St Johns to return to their 1980s success for the league to really be good. I think that can be expanded to include the overall success of basketball in the NE.
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Please stop the West hasn’t won anything in years. I don’t think we should care where our recruits come or who we beat out for a recruit as long as the recruit delivers. So far our results under Danny are trending in the right direction.
 
freescooter said:
Of course they don’t and here’s why. Other B12 teams have and have had for years, national relevance. You might not know this John, but Texas Tech played for the national title in 2019. Oklahoma made it in 2016. Ok State got to the Final Four in 2004. Yes Kansas is the Big Dog but not the only one. So Johnny they would be kind of silly to say “besides Kansas” when 2 others have gone that far in recent years, don’t you think? Here’s where you say but MSG MSG!
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In the past 30 years Kansas won 1 championship they are the only Big 12 team with a title. You can take it back 50 years and it's still only Kansas. You're so bad at this I almost feel badly for you.
 
BapeKidd88 said:
Northeast basketball is trending down in a big way.
It's no secret that the end of the Old Big East profoundly impacted the Northeast teams.
Syracuse is getting nowhere close to the talent that used to go there.
Georgetown is getting nowhere close to the talent that used to go there.
Go down the list.
When the NBE was formed, outside of Villanova, it was the teams from Indiana, Nebraska, and Ohio were carrying the league.
Like was said when Wisconsin (Marquette) and Illinois (DePaul) were added from CUSA, it became the BIG YEAST.
But those teams were needed to help with the talent drain.
UConn used to recruit nationally under Jim Calhoun. Danny doesn't have that ability. So, whenever he gets a guy, he's usually taking a guy away from Providence.
Jon Rothstein regularly writes that the NBE needs Georgetown and St Johns to return to their 1980s success for the league to really be good. I think that can be expanded to include the overall success of basketball in the NE.
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Fuggedaboutit
 
Who cares where the teams are from
Just because all 4 teams are from west of the Mississippi means squat in terms of starting of trends
Did anyone say basketball in the east was dead when UCLA and Wooden won/bought the10 NCs in 12 years? Was it true then?
Basketball was born in the East and there will always be strong basketball up and down the east coast
 
superjohn said:
In the past 30 years Kansas won 1 championship they are the only Big 12 team with a title. You can take it back 50 years and it's still only Kansas. You're so bad at this I almost feel badly for you.
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Titles yes, but the Big 12 has lots of final fours and strong teams aside from those. I think his argument about the Big East is crap though. Xavier has had very strong teams recently, Creighton has, Seton Hall has and Butler was a NC runner up twice in the last 10-11 years.

The bigger concern for me is the trend towards big football schools having more success and putting more focus on basketball.
 
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freescooter said:
Because nobody else has done anything. Agreed that Villanova is a national power. So is Gonzaga. Nobody says the the WCC is a power league. Villanova is a national power. The rest of the league is made up of good programs with limited upsides and quite honestly, limited ambitions. I’d argue that the New Big East is better than the WCC. But here’s the thing. The zOld Big East had 4-5 Villanovas. Plus a couple of Creightons too. Most posters here remember try to convince themselves that the current league is comparable. When you point out things like 5 straight years with a team in the final four, 3 different teams winning national championships, D.C. 6 different teams making the Final Four over that stretch their response is well, MSG. So yeah, Villanova is a national power. The rest of the league is not. I would call it a major conference but not a Power conference. It has 1 top program at this point. UConn might make 2 though my guess is we are trending to Creighton rather than Villanova.
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You act like having a single national power is easy. If you have a national power like Villanova then you are already doing something right. Gonzaga is not at Villanova's level so I don't get the comparison. Gonzaga is a great program, but Villanova is one of the few Elite programs of this era.

Most major leagues have one or two national powers, a few good programs, and then a few bottom dwellers. That's just how it is.


2002 - Maryland (Yes, Maryland and DC are culturally part of the Northeast megalopolis in modern times)
2003 - Syracuse
2004 - UConn
2011 - UConn
2014 - Uconn
2016 - Villanova
2018 - Villanova

Seven titles for the Northeast in 21 years. 5 from current Big East Members. That's pretty solid for me. That means every other region in this country is trying to play catchup and has been mostly shutout of the biggest prize in college basketball
 
Fishy said:
The Big East has three of the top ten recruiting class and five of the top 25....

So for that reason, and others, your theory is basically a pile of stupid.
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ecasadoSBU said:
You act like having a single national power is easy. If you have a national power like Villanova then you are already doing something right. Gonzaga is not at Villanova's level so I don't get the comparison. Gonzaga is a great program, but Villanova is one of the few Elite programs of this era.

Most major leagues have one or two national powers, a few good programs, and then a few bottom dwellers. That's just how it is.


2002 - Maryland (Yes, Maryland and DC are culturally part of the Northeast megalopolis in modern times)
2003 - Syracuse
2004 - UConn
2011 - UConn
2014 - Uconn
2016 - Villanova
2018 - Villanova

Seven titles for the Northeast in 21 years. 5 from current Big East Members. That's pretty solid for me. That means every other region in this country is trying to play catchup and has been mostly shutout of the biggest prize in college basketball
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Good grief Syracuse and the 2004 and 2011 UConn victories were a totally different league. It would be like crediting the ACC WITH Syracuse’s 1938 title. The 2014 UConn win they were in the AAC. And honestly the program is in a much different place now. But 3ven if we want to consider that, since the New Big East was created in 2014, which members have gotten to the Final Four? That has consistently been my measurement. Villanova. That’s it. And 2 others have gotten out of the first weekend. That’s it. The ”very good“ Xavier team that was a 1 seed lost in the 2nd round. Creighton made the sweet 16 exactly once. When you add that Villanova has won a share of the league regular season every year and mad3 the league tournament finals something like 5 of 7 times it s pretty hard to argue they aren’t the far superior to the rest.
it’s fine. The Big East is a solid league with one national caliber team. As I said earlier between 2000 and 2013 six different Big East members got to the Final Four. Since 2014 3 different Big 12 teams did it. From the New Big East one did it. It’s like the WCC. A one team league.
 
freescooter said:
Good grief Syracuse and the 2004 and 2011 UConn victories were a totally different league. It would be like crediting the ACC WITH Syracuse’s 1938 title. The 2014 UConn win they were in the AAC. And honestly the program is in a much different place now. But 3ven if we want to consider that, since the New Big East was created in 2014, which members have gotten to the Final Four? That has consistently been my measurement. Villanova. That’s it. And 2 others have gotten out of the first weekend. That’s it. The ”very good“ Xavier team that was a 1 seed lost in the 2nd round. Creighton made the sweet 16 exactly once. When you add that Villanova has won a share of the league regular season every year and mad3 the league tournament finals something like 5 of 7 times it s pretty hard to argue they aren’t the far superior to the rest.
it’s fine. The Big East is a solid league with one national caliber team. As I said earlier between 2000 and 2013 six different Big East members got to the Final Four. Since 2014 3 different Big 12 teams did it. From the New Big East one did it. It’s like the WCC. A one team league.
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Wait. Are we talking about the Northeast basketball trending down or are we talking about the Big East as a league?

I was pointing out that Northeast basketball is doing just fine with 7 championship in this millennium across three leagues

and my first point is that the latest iteration of the Big East (there have been like 10 different iterations since 1979) is doing just fine also. Has it developed multiple elite powers? not yet. But it surely is well on its way. That league will be fine and has won two national championships which is more than B1G, P12, B12, and SEC over the last 10 years.
 
freescooter said:
Good grief Syracuse and the 2004 and 2011 UConn victories were a totally different league. It would be like crediting the ACC WITH Syracuse’s 1938 title. The 2014 UConn
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freescooter said:
win they were in the AAC. And honestly the program is in a much different place now. But 3ven if we want to consider that, since the New Big East was created in 2014, which members have gotten to the Final Four? That has consistently been my measurement. Villanova. That’s it. And 2 others have gotten out of the first weekend. That’s it. The ”very good“ Xavier team that was a 1 seed lost in the 2nd round. Creighton made the sweet 16 exactly once. When you add that Villanova has won a share of the league regular season every year and mad3 the league tournament finals something like 5 of 7 times it s pretty hard to argue they aren’t the far superior to the rest.
it’s fine. The Big East is a solid league with one national caliber team. As I said earlier between 2000 and 2013 six different Big East members got to the Final Four. Since 2014 3 different Big 12 teams did it. From the New Big East one did it. It’s like the WCC. A one team league.
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They are still in the Northeast and you changing the parameters of your argument just shows you have no argument at all, just bloviating as usual
 
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Interesting enough. I started looking at nattys from 1980 -1999

Only three Northeast teams won National Championships in those 20 years. That's really crazy because people are so nostalgic for the past and tend to rewrite the past to a point that the youngin's like me (30 years old) would easily think the Northeast was killing the rest of the country.


1984 - Georgetown
1985 - Villanova
1999 - UConn

So... In reality - the Northeast has dominated the first 21 years of this new millennium in comparison to the twenty years prior.

Now going back to the Big East - That was one heck of drought that UConn broke in 1999. The league was really falling behind other major leagues. Thank you UCONN!!!
 
ecasadoSBU said:
Interesting enough. I started looking at nattys from 1980 -1999

Only three Northeast teams won National Championships in those 20 years. That's really crazy because people are so nostalgic for the past and tend to rewrite the past to a point that the youngin's like me (30 years old) would easily think the Northeast was killing the rest of the country.


1984 - Georgetown
1985 - Villanova
1999 - UConn

So... In reality - the Northeast has dominated the first 21 years of this new millennium in comparison to the twenty years prior.

Now going back to the Big East - That was one heck of drought that UConn broke in 1999. The league was really falling behind other major leagues. Thank you UCONN!!!
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Big East was incredible when it was formed but by the early to mid 90's it was UConn carrying the league. It's why it was so absurd when they did the Big East 30 for 30 and UConn was barely mentioned.
 
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BlueDogs said:
West of the Mississippi is west.
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superjohn said:
Big East was incredible when it was formed but by the early to mid 90's it was UConn carrying the league. It's why it was so absurd when they did the Big East 30 for 30 and UConn was barely mentioned.
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I'm still shocked they haven't done a 30 for 30 on UConn basketball - starting with Calhoun and Auriemma being hired within a year of each other at some school in the middle of nowhere.

It's one of the most amazing stories in the history of college sports.
 
The Viking said:
I'm still shocked they haven't done a 30 for 30 on UConn basketball - starting with Calhoun and Auriemma being hired within a year of each other at some school in the middle of nowhere.

It's one of the most amazing stories in the history of college sports.
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Who does the 30 for 30 series? That’ll answer your question.
 
One year is not a trend and signals nothing, especially in a a bizarre year.

The narrative should be "finally somebody new will win it all". It won't be someone from the East Coast.
 
superjohn said:
Lol, no it's not. Maybe to someone from CT. who has never been anywhere but it's most certainly not the West.
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It’s a joke. I think that definition went out with the covered wagons.
 
ecasadoSBU said:
Interesting enough. I started looking at nattys from 1980 -1999

Only three Northeast teams won National Championships in those 20 years. That's really crazy because people are so nostalgic for the past and tend to rewrite the past to a point that the youngin's like me (30 years old) would easily think the Northeast was killing the rest of the country.


1984 - Georgetown
1985 - Villanova
1999 - UConn

So... In reality - the Northeast has dominated the first 21 years of this new millennium in comparison to the twenty years prior.

Now going back to the Big East - That was one heck of drought that UConn broke in 1999. The league was really falling behind other major leagues. Thank you UCONN!!!
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I know we are UConn and are fortunate to have our four national titles. But using national titles as the barometer of success is simply not a good measure. Metric crap tons of luck are needed to win it all. That 85 Villanova team beat Georgetown (in a huge upset). St. Johns was also in the final four that year as a 1 seed. In 1987 both Syracuse and PC were in the final four. In 88 Temple lost as a 1 seed and Nova as a 6 seed in the elite 8. Seton Hall lost in the final in 89. UConn lost as a 1 seed in the elite 8 in 90. It goes on and on. Schools in the region were relatively stronger then than they are now.
 
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