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ADDING UCONN TO THE BIG TEN WOULD BE ACTUALLY GOOD. HERE'S WHY.

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CallMeBruce said:
This is how you argue on the Internet, man.
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Haha.

The definition of "Blue Blood" is a class of people who have acquired privilege and prominence over other classes in society. This is acquired over the course of history due to their success in one capacity or another.

By that definition Indiana and UCLA are absolutely blue bloods of college basketball.

What you are stuck on is whether or not they are title contenders at the moment, which I would say they are certainly not. That doesn't make them chump programs or diminish them as blue bloods, it just means that's where they are at the moment.

UConn had a down year last year. Does that diminish our standing or are people willing to give us the benefit of the doubt since we've won 4 titles in 16 year?
 
Ldandy said:
First off anyone who has not read the article I recommend doing so. Its highly entertaining. That said it in no way compares to the comments section. It is literally comedy gold. Props to Dooley. This dude does yeoman's work spreading the UCONN to P5 Message. Just for fun I have to post a few of the comments on that article from The Rutgers Faithful and the replies from IU Fans.

From RU Fan-

There is so much wrong with this That my blood is boiling right now. IU fans/CQ people won’t listen to logic, but just for the hell of it I will reiterate some points other posters made:
NYC doesn’t care about UConn. They may not care about RU, but it is certainly more than UConn ...

Rutgers absutely fills up its football stadium. The picture you posted, I was there ...
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If his grammar and spelling were better, it might be easier to believe in the greatness of Rutgers.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Do you think they're considered to be elite programs right now? Do you think they're considered to be on-par with Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC?
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As I've said before I’m an Indiana first B1G fan but I would agree that we are not "on-par" with those programs or UConn over the last 20-25 years. But then name another school not on that list that is. I'll also say that I come here for the reasons I posted last week...this is a good source for CR info from nice people that happen to support a school I would like to see added to the B1G. I do not come here to argue or defend IU or the B1G.

Having said that here I go doing it anyway. I think most would disagree with your understanding of the title "blue-blood". UNLV as an example was never...never...even in the early 90s a blue-blood, but for the time they were at the top of the CBB world. It takes time, a lot of it, to become a blue-blood program and it takes time, a lot of it, to be taken off of that list as well. IU, thanks to Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson, dropped to near death by 2008. There was more to it of course but they are responsible for taking a wounded program and utterly destroying it. In his first year Tom Crean had two returning players, both walk-ons who had scored a combined 36 points in their Indiana careers. By 2012 IU was ranked 1st in the pre-season AP poll. ONLY a blue blood makes that kind of a turnaround.

IU has 21 B1G titles, 38 NCAA bids, 64 NCAA wins, 21 sweet 16’s, 11 final 8’s, 8 final 4’s, 6 title games and 5 NC’s. We have beaten the AP #1 ranked team 7 times, have 1756 wins (10th), 60 All-America, 29 McDonalds All-America, 9 national coach of the year, 18 B1G player of the year and on and on and on. Indiana is still a blue-blood college basketball program.
 
TruthNnumbers said:
I must have missed something, I thought the article was about wanting UConn in the conference and they were talking down to Rutgers fans...I'll have to re-read some of this I guess. I thought the arrogant about UConn stuff was from Rutgers fans not IU.
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I was looking at ldandy's post a few up where he quotes an IU post from the comments. There are plenty of other IU comments that are annoying. But it is mostly the Rutgers gatekeepers of the B10 that post such ridiculous comments.
 
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FourRings said:
I was looking at ldandy's post a few up where he quotes an IU post from the comments. There are plenty of other IU comments that are annoying. But it is mostly the Rutgers gatekeepers of the B10 that post such ridiculous comments.
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Did you mean this:

IU Fan-Oh.
You’re trying? You just need some more time? Well, why didn’t you say so! I forgot that the Big Ten was in the business of offering remediation-level classes in college athletics.

I believe that was directed at the Rutgers fan not UConn. Anyway no big deal either way, every school has fans that say stupid stuff and IU is no different.
 
Ldandy said:
UConn fans are terrible. Connecticut is a terrible state. You don’t even understand what trash you’d be inviting to the conference. You think it can’t get worse? Oooohh would they prove you wrong.
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Sorry but this guy knows Rutgers is in New Jersey right? I was born and raised in NJ and moved to CT for college and stayed. I know Connecticut has it's problems but I have to laugh when a fan of someone from a college in New Jersey bashes another state, let alone CT. It was even better that he called us trash. That's usually the word I hear people tell me my home state is when I tell them I'm originally from Jersey.
 
The fact that Purdue still trails U. Chicago in B1G Championships is even more amazing when you consider the fact that the B1G has sponsored a full slate of women's sports at least since the early 1980s. Back when U. Chicago won their B1G Championships, it was only from men's sports. So now there are twice as many chances for a B1G Championship with a full slate of women's sports, which means its even more shocking Purdue still hasn't caught up with Chicago yet!

TruthNnumbers said:
Is this what you mean?

National titles/B1G titles by school:

PSU 47/75

Michigan 36/376

Wisconsin 28/193

OSU 28/207

Maryland 27/6

Iowa 25/106

Indiana 24/171

UConn 20

MSU 20/95

Nebraska 19/8

Illinois 18/237

Minnesota 18/163

Johns Hopkins 9/1

Northwestern 8/73

Purdue 3/71

Rutgers 1/0


Note that the U of Chicago who left in 1946 had 73 B1G conference championships. As an IU fan I like to keep this handy for those times when Purdue fans get out of hand. It’s bad enough they only have 71 B1G titles but to still be behind U of Chicago is ridiculous. Then there’s MSU who didn’t join until 1950 with 95, PSU who joined in 1990 with 75 and even Northwestern beats them with 73, lol Purdue. Maryland and Nebraska will both likely pass them in less than 50 years. Heck Johns Hopkins may pass them at some point with just 2 teams in the conference. I say we keep Rutgers and keep cashing those checks add UConn and beg the MAC to take Purdue…sound good?

Sorry I thought you were talking about national championships.
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TruthNnumbers said:
As I've said before I’m an Indiana first B1G fan but I would agree that we are not "on-par" with those programs or UConn over the last 20-25 years. But then name another school not on that list that is. I'll also say that I come here for the reasons I posted last week...this is a good source for CR info from nice people that happen to support a school I would like to see added to the B1G. I do not come here to argue or defend IU or the B1G.

Having said that here I go doing it anyway. I think most would disagree with your understanding of the title "blue-blood". UNLV as an example was never...never...even in the early 90s a blue-blood, but for the time they were at the top of the CBB world. It takes time, a lot of it, to become a blue-blood program and it takes time, a lot of it, to be taken off of that list as well. IU, thanks to Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson, dropped to near death by 2008. There was more to it of course but they are responsible for taking a wounded program and utterly destroying it. In his first year Tom Crean had two returning players, both walk-ons who had scored a combined 36 points in their Indiana careers. By 2012 IU was ranked 1st in the pre-season AP poll. ONLY a blue blood makes that kind of a turnaround.

IU has 21 B1G titles, 38 NCAA bids, 64 NCAA wins, 21 sweet 16’s, 11 final 8’s, 8 final 4’s, 6 title games and 5 NC’s. We have beaten the AP #1 ranked team 7 times, have 1756 wins (10th), 60 All-America, 29 McDonalds All-America, 9 national coach of the year, 18 B1G player of the year and on and on and on. Indiana is still a blue-blood college basketball program.
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Let's talk this century. Kent Benson doesn't mean squat anymore.

BTW, what is the head to head record for Indiana football versus UConn?
 
Palatine said:
Let's talk this century. Kent Benson doesn't mean squat anymore.

BTW, what is the head to head record for Indiana football versus UConn?
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Got it...
Palatine said:
Let's talk this century. Kent Benson doesn't mean squat anymore.

BTW, what is the head to head record for Indiana football versus UConn?
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note that I'm not saying anything negative about UCONN but you are just getting more insulting. Thx for your time.
 
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UCFBfan said:
Sorry but this guy knows Rutgers is in New Jersey right? I was born and raised in NJ and moved to CT for college and stayed. I know Connecticut has it's problems but I have to laugh when a fan of someone from a college in New Jersey bashes another state, let alone CT. It was even better that he called us trash. That's usually the word I hear people tell me my home state is when I tell them I'm originally from Jersey.
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Born in NJ, have family in NJ... Thankful EVERY day that I don't live there!!
 
TruthNnumbers said:
As I've said before I’m an Indiana first B1G fan but I would agree that we are not "on-par" with those programs or UConn over the last 20-25 years. But then name another school not on that list that is. I'll also say that I come here for the reasons I posted last week...this is a good source for CR info from nice people that happen to support a school I would like to see added to the B1G. I do not come here to argue or defend IU or the B1G.

Having said that here I go doing it anyway. I think most would disagree with your understanding of the title "blue-blood". UNLV as an example was never...never...even in the early 90s a blue-blood, but for the time they were at the top of the CBB world. It takes time, a lot of it, to become a blue-blood program and it takes time, a lot of it, to be taken off of that list as well. IU, thanks to Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson, dropped to near death by 2008. There was more to it of course but they are responsible for taking a wounded program and utterly destroying it. In his first year Tom Crean had two returning players, both walk-ons who had scored a combined 36 points in their Indiana careers. By 2012 IU was ranked 1st in the pre-season AP poll. ONLY a blue blood makes that kind of a turnaround.

IU has 21 B1G titles, 38 NCAA bids, 64 NCAA wins, 21 sweet 16’s, 11 final 8’s, 8 final 4’s, 6 title games and 5 NC’s. We have beaten the AP #1 ranked team 7 times, have 1756 wins (10th), 60 All-America, 29 McDonalds All-America, 9 national coach of the year, 18 B1G player of the year and on and on and on. Indiana is still a blue-blood college basketball program.
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No need for the disclaimer (IMO). You've been cool here so far, and you should be proud of your school.
 
CTMike said:
Born in NJ, have family in NJ... Thankful EVERY day that I don't live there!!
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Born in CT, have family in CT and live in NJ... As much as I like to mock our Rutgers guests who come to the board with CV in hand, touting RU's accomplishments, North Jersey is a pretty nice place to live. Expensive, but worth it.
 
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Ldandy said:
IU's fans were mostly complimentary of UCONN or at least neutral. There were a few who opposed inclusion based on losing traditional rivalries and geography. Most of the UCONN bashing was coming from RU Fans and an OSU Fan with a peculiar interest in Rutgers.
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I can see Ohio St's issue. They want Rutgers to be weak so that they can recruit in Jersey. UConn's football practice facilities are better that Rutgers by a long shot and comparable to Ohio St's (their game stadium of course is at a different level that the Rent) and UConn, unlike Rutgers, has proven that with a level playing field and decent coaching, the school can compete - see the BCS game. That could entice some recruits in Jersey who may not want to be that far away from home, go to that big of a school, be buried on the bench in Colombus, etc, to look at UConn instead of Ohio St.
 
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CL82 said:
Born in CT, have family in CT and live in NJ... As much at I like mock our Rutgers guests who come to the board with CV in hand, touting RU's accomplishments, North Jersey is a pretty nice place to live. Expensive, but worth it.
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I'll second that...I have some friends and family that live in Bergen County. The towns they live in are very nice.
 
FDNY99 said:
I'll second that...I have some friends and family that live in Bergen County. The towns they live in are very nice.
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Every place has good places and bad. I also live in Bergen County and the town, i.e. Borough, I live is is OK with very good schools moderate housing costs for the area and very high taxes; but, the community itself is great and I feel fortunate that my family lives here. That said, take a 20 minute drive down Rte 208 and after one drive through Patterson's 4th Ward, one probably would never want to go to New Jersey again.
 
Matrim55 said:
They're still a blueblood program - they've just fallen on hard times. Once they upgrade from Crean next summer they'll be a consistent top 15 team and capable of making Final 4 runs most years, like Kansas or UNC.
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It seems to me like this has been said every January since Knight was forced out. I'm not saying they couldn't get back to consistently making deep runs in the NCAA tournament... it's just that I get more skeptical every year.
 
IMind said:
It seems to me like this has been said every January since Knight was forced out. I'm not saying they couldn't get back to consistently making deep runs in the NCAA tournament... it's just that I get more skeptical every year.
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I understand your position but I still have hope. IU basketball was a slow and painful trainwreck starting with BK being pushed out and ending with CS being fired (should never have been hired). The cleanup took TC a few months and left him with 2 players. The rebuilding really didn’t start until a year later. That first year was just used to plan the rebuild and we played that year with 9 freshmen and 8 walk-ons. TC may not be the man to get Indiana basketball back to where it was but he did a solid job rebuilding it from next to nothing. For that I will always be thankful to him, his staff, the players that gave everything they had and of course the fans that stuck with the team through it all. I still have hope because basketball means to much to the people in Indiana to just give up.
 
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The fine folks of Indiana should be doing everything possible to get UCONN into your conference ASAP. To help solidify B1G hoops and IU basketball. :)
 
TruthNnumbers said:
As I've said before I’m an Indiana first B1G fan but I would agree that we are not "on-par" with those programs or UConn over the last 20-25 years. But then name another school not on that list that is. I'll also say that I come here for the reasons I posted last week...this is a good source for CR info from nice people that happen to support a school I would like to see added to the B1G. I do not come here to argue or defend IU or the B1G.

Having said that here I go doing it anyway. I think most would disagree with your understanding of the title "blue-blood". UNLV as an example was never...never...even in the early 90s a blue-blood, but for the time they were at the top of the CBB world. It takes time, a lot of it, to become a blue-blood program and it takes time, a lot of it, to be taken off of that list as well. IU, thanks to Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson, dropped to near death by 2008. There was more to it of course but they are responsible for taking a wounded program and utterly destroying it. In his first year Tom Crean had two returning players, both walk-ons who had scored a combined 36 points in their Indiana careers. By 2012 IU was ranked 1st in the pre-season AP poll. ONLY a blue blood makes that kind of a turnaround.

IU has 21 B1G titles, 38 NCAA bids, 64 NCAA wins, 21 sweet 16’s, 11 final 8’s, 8 final 4’s, 6 title games and 5 NC’s. We have beaten the AP #1 ranked team 7 times, have 1756 wins (10th), 60 All-America, 29 McDonalds All-America, 9 national coach of the year, 18 B1G player of the year and on and on and on. Indiana is still a blue-blood college basketball program.
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Indiana basketball is as much a mess as pre-Saban Alabama football or pre Pete Carroll USC football or post Boeheim Syracuse BB

They wil be back.
 
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CL82 said:
Born in CT, have family in CT and live in NJ... As much as I like to mock our Rutgers guests who come to the board with CV in hand, touting RU's accomplishments, North Jersey is a pretty nice place to live. Expensive, but worth it.
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It is true. My mom always told folks that if they could hold their nose for the first 20 minutes they were in Jersey on the Parkway they'd see it was a really nice state. We live in Morris County (well I did and my family all still live there) and it's great. Lots of nice towns. Great schools. It's a lot like it is up here in CT to be honest.
 
There are some seriously bitter Rutgers fans commenting on that article. I fail to understand why Rutgers fans hate UConn so much, and if not hate, they seem to have little respect.
 
I think you need to look at the source. To be honest I feel bad for Rutger's fan. I read a lot of boards and the only constant across all the fan lines is a willingness to universally taunt Rutgers athletics.

Rutgers athletics are either a punching bag or a punch line and are often both at the same time. It is predictable Rutger's fans lash out at better programs who have been less P5 fortunate like Uconn. I don't take it as an attack on Uconn, more just misguided frustration...Rutger's fans have a lot of deserved pent up frustration and it has to come out somewhere.

For the Rutger's fans I really do hope Rutgers gets its program together. Rutgers has a lot of potential but it needs to change the culture and literally rebuild from the ground up.

Respect needs to be earned on the field/court and cannot be granted by a B10 invite. Rutgers athletic performance has not earned this respect yet...Uconn has earned its respect and maybe we will get a P5 invite some day. But "P5" or "not P5" does not change what Uconn athletics have accomplished....clothes don't make the man.

Rutger's fans, best of luck in the future.
 
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