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They look to be out of the rotation. Either Hurley is listening to us or he’s ACTUALLY a good and observant coach. Who woulda thunk it.
 
RayRay said:
They look to be out of the rotation. Either Hurley is listening to us or he’s ACTUALLY a good and observant coach. Who woulda thunk it.
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The problem is that it took him 13 games and weeks of extra practices to realize Adams shouldn't be playing 30 minutes a game. If you think he didn't blow it playing Adams so much earlier in the season, you aren't looking. He's way too slow to adjust. That's going to be more and more important for him to fix as we continue to recruit higher level players.

You can't wait until February to decide to play a guy like Hawkins big minutes next year over an inefficient senior.
 
husky429 said:
The problem is that it took him 13 games and weeks of extra practices to realize Adams shouldn't be playing 30 minutes a game. If you think he didn't blow it playing Adams so much earlier in the season, you aren't looking. He's way too slow to adjust. That's going to be more and more important for him to fix as we continue to recruit higher level players.

You can't wait until February to decide to play a guy like Hawkins big minutes next year over an inefficient senior.
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Totally agreed
 
husky429 said:
The problem is that it took him 13 games and weeks of extra practices to realize Adams shouldn't be playing 30 minutes a game. If you think he didn't blow it playing Adams so much earlier in the season, you aren't looking. He's way too slow to adjust. That's going to be more and more important for him to fix as we continue to recruit higher level players.

You can't wait until February to decide to play a guy like Hawkins big minutes next year over an inefficient senior.
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To be fair, Hurley didn’t have Akok & Jackson to plug into the rotation like he does now.
 
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JustbrewitMan said:
To be fair, Hurley didn’t have Akok & Jackson to plug into the rotation like he does now.
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There was no reason--ever--for Adams to average the most minutes on the team after Bouk early in the season. It was loyalty to a fault from our coach. Coaching at UConn is different than URI. Our freshman have the potential to be unbelievably talented. Sanogo fits that bill. Jackson potentially, and I'd guess Hawkins too.

With Bouk and Jackson out, I would have understood 10-15 minutes out of necessity. 30 minutes, including crunch time, was unacceptable. Adams is a great kid, hard worker, and has some talent... but he isn't good enough to play NBE starter minutes. Anyone watching these games saw he could succeed as a 5-15 minutes bennch guy depending on the matchup. When you ask him to be a starter-level shooting guard, the COACH is setting him up to fail.

Coach blew it. Just like he did with Adama in the SJU game. I'm sure he knows it. If he's learned from his mistakes, and it seems he has, then we're fine. Year 3 of a rebuild.
 
husky429 said:
There was no reason--ever--for Adams to average the most minutes on the team after Bouk early in the season. It was loyalty to a fault from our coach. Coaching at UConn is different than URI. Our freshman have the potential to be unbelievably talented. Sanogo fits that bill. Jackson potentially, and I'd guess Hawkins too.

With Bouk and Jackson out, I would have understood 10-15 minutes out of necessity. 30 minutes, including crunch time, was unacceptable. Adams is a great kid, hard worker, and has some talent... but he isn't good enough to play NBE starter minutes. Anyone watching these games saw he could succeed as a 5-15 minutes bennch guy depending on the matchup. When you ask him to be a starter-level shooting guard, the COACH is setting him up to fail.

Coach blew it. Just like he did with Adama in the SJU game. I'm sure he knows it. If he's learned from his mistakes, and it seems he has, then we're fine. Year 3 of a rebuild.
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Maybe it did take him too long, but I still like how Hurley is capable of adapting. It's a great sign.
 
RayRay said:
Maybe it did take him too long, but I still like how Hurley is capable of adapting. It's a great sign.
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Sure, it's great he adapted at all, but are you seriously not irked that it took him so long to recognize what he needed to do? I'm not saying Hurley needs to be fired... he's clearly a great coach. But criticism and some accountability from the fans/media is part of the gig when you get paid 3 million a year to coach a game and then mess up.

Notice I never said anything bad about Adams. He isn't being paid for this. He's a kid. Deserves the benefit of the doubt. He just has physical/mental limitations.
 
husky429 said:
Sure, it's great he adapted at all, but are you seriously not irked that it took him so long to recognize what he needed to do? I'm not saying Hurley needs to be fired... he's clearly a great coach. But criticism and some accountability from the fans/media is part of the gig when you get paid 3 million a year to coach a game and then mess up.

Notice I never said anything bad about Adams. He isn't being paid for this. He's a kid. Deserves the benefit of the doubt. He just has physical/mental limitations.
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It did yes, but we have been plagued by injuries.
 
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Gonna be honest. I realized Josh hadn't played and that Akok was ahead of him in rotation.

Didn't even realize Adams hadn't played yet. And that's a good thing.
 
husky429 said:
The problem is that it took him 13 games and weeks of extra practices to realize Adams shouldn't be playing 30 minutes a game. If you think he didn't blow it playing Adams so much earlier in the season, you aren't looking. He's way too slow to adjust. That's going to be more and more important for him to fix as we continue to recruit higher level players.

You can't wait until February to decide to play a guy like Hawkins big minutes next year over an inefficient senior.
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I’ve been preaching this for weeks. His in game adjustments need to be quicker too. He’s turned at least 2-3 Ws into LS by not reacting quickly enough.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
If Sanogo keeps dropping every pass and rebound and being completely lost on D Josh will get burn
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We will see Josh again especially when we play against really big teams or get into foul trouble with out bigs. I don't see Adams getting anymore play especially when Bouk comes back.
 
husky429 said:
Sure, it's great he adapted at all, but are you seriously not irked that it took him so long to recognize what he needed to do? I'm not saying Hurley needs to be fired... he's clearly a great coach. But criticism and some accountability from the fans/media is part of the gig when you get paid 3 million a year to coach a game and then mess up.

Notice I never said anything bad about Adams. He isn't being paid for this. He's a kid. Deserves the benefit of the doubt. He just has physical/mental limitations.
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Both your posts about Adams and more so Hurley were spot on. There was no vitriol towards Adams or Hurley. Yes, it's on Hurley for playing Adams as if he can be a NBE starter-it's a disservice to Adams and really not fair.
All the calls for Hurley to be fired next year if they miss the tourney are ridiculous beyond comprehension. And Hurley is a great hire and will get UConn back to the promise land, but he isn't beyond reproach.
 
RayRay said:
They look to be out of the rotation. Either Hurley is listening to us or he’s ACTUALLY a good and observant coach. Who woulda thunk it.
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The drama around Adams pt has never been an issue. He wasn't playing because he's Hurley's guy. He was only playing out of necessity. All that was required was for a few others to get healthy. I assumed Bouk would have to return for Adams minutes to drop to zero. Apparently not.

We will only see him again in emergency situations or if a couple other players are just playing absolutely horrible.

Considering how low on the depth chart Adams is when everyone is healthy. I was very happy with how he played.
 
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husky429 said:
The problem is that it took him 13 games and weeks of extra practices to realize Adams shouldn't be playing 30 minutes a game. If you think he didn't blow it playing Adams so much earlier in the season, you aren't looking. He's way too slow to adjust. That's going to be more and more important for him to fix as we continue to recruit higher level players.

You can't wait until February to decide to play a guy like Hawkins big minutes next year over an inefficient senior.
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He was too slow on Bouknight, too slow on Sanogo, looked like he was going to be too slow on Jackson before the injury. i get that we were undermanned but there is just no excuse for the amount of minutes Adams was getting just like there was no excuse for playing so slowly. He has to have learned his lesson by now I think, just don't know why these things take so long. We even saw a zone look for a couple of possessions today. Baby steps I guess.
 
3rdbass said:
We will see Josh again especially when we play against really big teams or get into foul trouble with out bigs. I don't see Adams getting anymore play especially when Bouk comes back.
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Bouk coming back? You are probably right he will return, but my default assumption is he isn't returning this year. Until I see him on the court I am sticking to that.
 
Applaud Hurley for his recruiting effort. Needs to go to coach camp this summer on how to coach 101. This kind of stuff cannot happen in the future.
 
husky429 said:
The problem is that it took him 13 games and weeks of extra practices to realize Adams shouldn't be playing 30 minutes a game. If you think he didn't blow it playing Adams so much earlier in the season, you aren't looking. He's way too slow to adjust. That's going to be more and more important for him to fix as we continue to recruit higher level players.

You can't wait until February to decide to play a guy like Hawkins big minutes next year over an inefficient senior.
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Wooh, preach Brosef! I mean Coach Brosef!
 
My hope is he does so much reading and introspection that he is a little like some of us: a deep thinker that is a little bit of a slow processor.

The $1 mill question is will he quit recruiting an overabundance of hard-working, can't get a shot off themselves players (because they're gritty or tough or whatever) and instead have a group where more than 1-2 players on the entire roster can create a shot? The two don't have to be mutually exclusive!

No excuse to come into this season with basically one player on the roster who can create a shot and a freshman who can but will be eased into rotation like Jackson was. No excuse.

I think Hurley is just that deep thinker/slow processor but once it clicks, he's got it. This is not an attack, loyalty and deep thinking is good - just needs to be sped up or assistants need to be less timid & point it out. Not sure how anyone could look at this roster in the offseason, which is really good admittedly- and not think we need a playmaking 1 or 2 to go with our group!!
 
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husky429 said:
Sure, it's great he adapted at all, but are you seriously not irked that it took him so long to recognize what he needed to do? I'm not saying Hurley needs to be fired... he's clearly a great coach. But criticism and some accountability from the fans/media is part of the gig when you get paid 3 million a year to coach a game and then mess up.

Notice I never said anything bad about Adams. He isn't being paid for this. He's a kid. Deserves the benefit of the doubt. He just has physical/mental limitations.
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I am and was irked by it. But the action of doing what he had to do is much easier said than done. You have to remember that Adams is his guy. The first guy he brought over here and they have a special bond .

It’s not easy to bench a really good dude whom you have a special connection with.

I get as a head coach of an elite program you have to make tough decisions. But it’s not as easy as we make it seem from afar.

These are relationships and people we are talking about. Not just stats and numbers.

I think it has less to do with his ability to recognize what he had to do and more to do with the difficulty and emotional repercussions of actually having to do it.
 
gsmooth said:
Bouk coming back?
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The reason I think he's coming back is because if you watch the replay of AJax's breakaway dunk(18:38 of the 2nd half) you can see Bouk in the background jumping along with him(kind of blocked by the backboard). Bouk wants to play and will be back.
 
husky429 said:
The problem is that it took him 13 games and weeks of extra practices to realize Adams shouldn't be playing 30 minutes a game. If you think he didn't blow it playing Adams so much earlier in the season, you aren't looking. He's way too slow to adjust. That's going to be more and more important for him to fix as we continue to recruit higher level players.

You can't wait until February to decide to play a guy like Hawkins big minutes next year over an inefficient senior.
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To be fair, he didn’t have Jackson. Adams minutes went way up with both Bouk and Jax out.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
If Sanogo keeps dropping every pass and rebound and being completely lost on D Josh will get burn
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AJ and Sanogo were playing against upperclassmen. AJ never played against someone like Scruggs, who didn't score much but kept him occupied and busy all game. Simply experience vs inexperience.

Just saying freshman guarding seniors ain't easy.
 
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