ACC

[pj]

we're not going to the b1g.

Love these people who know no more than the rest of us, but state it confidently.

Conference realignment has years to play out and many wild cards. It's being driven more than ever by TV markets, and the northeast is the only major TV market up for grabs. No telling how it plays out, but outside of the top 5 conferences Notre Dame, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, and maybe Houston if it develops are the top remaining attractions. USF, UCF, SMU, and San Diego State have potential. Maybe even Temple if they become popular in Philly. If you were going for the northeast media, UConn and Rutgers would make sense as a 2-team grab.

The northeast is a potential TV viewer gold mine. NY/NJ/CT have 32 million people, same as IL/MI/OH which is the Big Ten's bread and butter. Just adding two teams could potential increase B1G TV audience by 20-30%. If UConn and Rutgers go to the ACC it secures that conference's hold on the northeast. Don't think the B1G doesn't see that it's only real opportunity to gain revenue by expansion is in the northeast.

 

[whaler11]

The ACC would love to play their BB championship in the Mecca of college basketball, instead of some backwater. The ACCs theoretical foot print extends to Boston, it
is only in reality that stops at Maryland.

Did Syracuse pick up and move South? I don't think MSG makes much sense for the ACC because their southern fans would be in revolt, but certainly Syracuse has a big fanbase and a foothold in NYC.

 

[UConnDan97]

Did Syracuse pick up and move South? I don't think MSG makes much sense for the ACC because their southern fans would be in revolt, but certainly Syracuse has a big fanbase and a foothold in NYC.

So does that really change CL82's point? Are you suggesting that since they now have Syracuse, that FSU, Clemson, Duke, UNC, NCState, UVA, Va Tech, Miami, WF, Ga Tech, and Maryland would all rather have their fanbases travel to NYC rather than North Carolina for their tourney? Or are you just trying your best to crap on CL82's post?

His point was, although the ACC would love to capitalize on NYC, their actual fanbases are pretty much southern in makeup. It's still true.

 

[mavblues]

Did Syracuse pick up and move South? I don't think MSG makes much sense for the ACC because their southern fans would be in revolt, but certainly Syracuse has a big fanbase and a foothold in NYC.

The ACC's southern fanbase is already revolting.

 

[Hoophound]

So does that really change CL82's point? Are you suggesting that since they now have Syracuse, that FSU, Clemson, Duke, UNC, NCState, UVA, Va Tech, Miami, WF, Ga Tech, and Maryland would all rather have their fanbases travel to NYC rather than North Carolina for their tourney? Or are you just trying your best to crap on CL82's post?

His point was, although the ACC would love to capitalize on NYC, their actual fanbases are pretty much southern in makeup. It's still true.

Of course, if you watch the ACC tournament, nobody is even there until the semis. It is no Big East tourney that's for sure. Say what you want about fickle Northeast sports fans but we love us some Big East tourney.

 

[whaler11]

So does that really change CL82's point? Are you suggesting that since they now have Syracuse, that FSU, Clemson, Duke, UNC, NCState, UVA, Va Tech, Miami, WF, Ga Tech, and Maryland would all rather have their fanbases travel to NYC rather than North Carolina for their tourney? Or are you just trying your best to crap on CL82's post?

His point was, although the ACC would love to capitalize on NYC, their actual fanbases are pretty much southern in makeup. It's still true.

Yeah his point is wrong. The ACC footprint does not end in Maryland because of Syracuse. That also ignores the fact that Pittsburgh also is north of Maryland, but it's just standard sabre rattling around here - post what you wish was true and not was is true no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

Also Duke has a huge alumni base and following in New Jersey, but acknowledging that fact is difficult for some.

 

[UConnDan97]

Yeah his point is wrong. The ACC footprint does not end in Maryland because of Syracuse. That also ignores the fact that Pittsburgh also is north of Maryland, but it's just standard sabre rattling around here - post what you wish was true and not was is true no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

Also Duke has a huge alumni base an following in New Jersey, but acknowledging that fact is difficult for some.

Right, right. It's everyone else's "sabre rattling around here" that is the main reason that the ACC is still primarily a southern conference, and that they don't have enough presence in the north to make MSG a viable option for the majority of their members. Right, right....some people just aren't being truthful. And there is so much "evidence to the contrary", right? Like less than one quarter of their 2013 membership being north of Maryland! So much evidence....

 

[whaler11]

Right, right. It's everyone else's "sabre rattling around here" that is the main reason that the ACC is still primarily a southern conference, and that they don't have enough presence in the north to make MSG a viable option for the majority of their members. Right, right....some people just aren't being truthful. And there is so much "evidence to the contrary", right? Like less than one quarter of their 2013 membership being north of Maryland! So much evidence....

Listen. He said the ACC's footprint ends in Maryland. That is 100% wrong. Clearly, obviously and demonstrably wrong.

Now if you'd like to continue to defend nonsense like that it's your business.

The subject of an ACC tournament is another matter. It doesn't make sense to alienate their fanbases by playing in NYC but they would sell the place out with ease - granted no one would show for anyone but Carolina, Duke or Syracuse but to say the ACC doesn't have any penetration into NYC is idiotic.

 

[06029]

Of course, if you watch the ACC tournament, nobody is even there until the semis. It is no Big East tourney that's for sure. Say what you want about fickle Northeast sports fans but we love us some Big East tourney.

MSG is realllly banged out on the first day (please note sarcasm). Have you ever been to the BET day one? Anyone there that day gets to sit mid court, lower level both afternoon and evening. Afternoon sessions on Day 2 is just about the same particularly since the double bye format was instituted. And if Cuse or Uconn are not in the final (St. Johns, too if they ever get there again), there are empty seats in the house. Cuse and Uconn fans fill MSG on a regular basis for the BET. Rutgers? Pitt? SHU, Providence, Gtown, Lville, not even close to the numbers Cuse and Uconn bring. Who steps up and fills the Cuse's role when they leave?

 

[pj]

Listen. He said the ACC's footprint ends in Maryland. That is 100% wrong. Clearly, obviously and demonstrably wrong.

He was speaking metaphorically. ACC fans don't think of anything above the Mason-Dixon line as being a real part of their conference, even if they are officially members. Their mental map of the conference still stops at Maryland.

Swofford wants the ACC to become a true Atlantic Coast conference, but the southern football schools don't want to be part of it.

 

[UConnDan97]

Listen. He said the ACC's footprint ends in Maryland. That is 100% wrong. Clearly, obviously and demonstrably wrong.

Now if you'd like to continue to defend nonsense like that it's your business.

The subject of an ACC tournament is another matter. It doesn't make sense to alienate their fanbases by playing in NYC but they would sell the place out with ease - granted no one would show for anyone but Carolina, Duke or Syracuse but to say the ACC doesn't have any penetration into NYC is idiotic.

The only one posting nonsense here is you. CL82's quote was "The ACCs theoretical foot print extends to Boston, it is only in reality that stops at Maryland." He acknowledged the fact that the footprint went as far north as Massachusetts. The point of his thread was that MSG was not a viable option for their conference, even though they would love to. So if you agree with that premise, why do you keep spewing $#it out of your keyboard??

Whaler, the problem I've always had with many of your posts is that you will find 20% of someone else's post that you don't agree with and proceed to hammer the hell out of it, forcing an argument with one or more people. And you often do this even when you agree with the poster's main point! (like in this case, for instance) Why do you do that?? That's all I'm asking...

 

[06029]

The point of his thread was that MSG was not a viable option for their conference, even though they would love to.

1138 posts in the thread that will not die, and this is what it is all about? Did I miss the memo on that?

 

[UConnDan97]

1138 posts in the thread that will not die, and this is what it is all about? Did I miss the memo on that?

1139 posts, and it's actually about nothing at all. That's the wonder and mystery of this thread. It encompasses everything and nothing all at the same time. Stephen Hawking is working on this paradox as we type...

 

[whaler11]

He was speaking metaphorically. ACC fans don't think of anything above the Mason-Dixon line as being a real part of their conference, even if they are officially members. Their mental map of the conference still stops at Maryland.

Swofford wants the ACC to become a true Atlantic Coast conference, but the southern football schools don't want to be part of it.

So ACC fans that live north of Maryland don't count. I'm pretty sure that the television networks don't agree with that sentiment. I don't think the football schools have a geography problem, they have a problem with a basketball focus. If they were adding football programs that were of a quality of Ohio State they wouldn't care if they were on the moon. If they cared about geography they wouldn't be interested in the Big 12.

 

[whaler11]

The only one posting nonsense here is you. CL82's quote was "The ACCs theoretical foot print extends to Boston, it is only in reality that stops at Maryland." He acknowledged the fact that the footprint went as far north as Massachusetts. The point of his thread was that MSG was not a viable option for their conference, even though they would love to. So if you agree with that premise, why do you keep spewing $#it out of your keyboard??

Whaler, the problem I've always had with many of your posts is that you will find 20% of someone else's post that you don't agree with and proceed to hammer the hell out of it, forcing an argument with one or more people. And you often do this even when you agree with the poster's main point! (like in this case, for instance) Why do you do that?? That's all I'm asking...

So only post when in agreement. Got it.

I agree with the conclusion, but disagree with the reasons. The tournament would be a success at MSG, it's just not worth pissing off the basketball fans in the triangle.

 

[UConnDan97]

1138 posts in the thread that will not die, and this is what it is all about? Did I miss the memo on that?

By the way, I mis-typed and meant to type "his post" and not "his thread", but I'm sure you picked up on that. This really is the thread that won't die. I wonder if we can change it from "ACC" to "Freddy Kruger"?

 

[UConnDan97]

So only post when in agreement. Got it.

I agree with the conclusion, but disagree with the reasons.

No. Only post disagreements when you actually disagree. And if you only disagree with the reasons and not the conclusion, say so. Not that hard, really.

 

[whaler11]

No. Only post disagreements when you actually disagree. And if you only disagree with the reasons and not the conclusion, say so. Not that hard, really.

Ok. But you seemed to understand I agreed with the conclusion since you pointed it out.

 

[pj]

So ACC fans that live north of Maryland don't count. I'm pretty sure that the television networks don't agree with that sentiment. I don't think the football schools have a geography problem, they have a problem with a basketball focus. If they were adding football programs that were of a quality of Ohio State they wouldn't care if they were on the moon. If they cared about geography they wouldn't be interested in the Big 12.

There's no functional difference between a north-of-the-Mason-Dixon-line geography problem, and a problem with adding football programs below the caliber of Ohio State. There are no Ohio State caliber football programs available for the ACC to add anywhere in an Atlantic coastal footprint. So they either take the northeast geography with middle-tier football, or they don't.

I get what you're thinking, but it all boils down to money. They are interested in the Big 12 because it would bring more money. They are interested in Notre Dame because it would bring more money. They are skeptical of Syracuse and Pitt because they don't obviously bring more money.

 

[UConnDan97]

Ok. But you seemed to understand I agreed with the conclusion since you pointed it out.

I did. It's why I bashed your little rant.

 

[Waquoit]

If the ACC offers, the Big 10 gets a call and has 24 hours to offer. You know they're doing their preparatory analysis now and will be prepared to make a quick decision.

Sound strategy. I've done the same thing, putting a plan in place. If Kate Upton calls, Bar Rafaeli has 24 hours to match.

 

[pj]

Sound strategy. I've done the same thing, putting a plan in place. If Kate Upton calls, Bar Rafaeli has 24 hours to match.

I'm sure Bar Refaeli is ready with her answer.

 

[Dann]

man this thread went quiet. i can't just let it die like this. here is the acc's new t shirt line for its private schools...

 

[uconndogs]

Well since Clemson & FSU went to the SEC as well as MD & UNC to the B10/11/12 what else would you expect?

As was said in this thread months ago, the ACC is dead.

great..........observer2

Honestly, are things that bad at BC that you guys need to be on this board on a constant basis and post the same over and over again?

 

[specialisthusky]

Honestly, are things that bad at BC that you guys need to be on this board on a constant basis and post the same over and over again?

from my vantage point...yes

 

[Dann]

Claver is good ppl. Hes not a observer. Hes going to be alot of fun and good to talk and learn from during puck season for many on this board.

 

[uconndogs]

The limited stick poking I do .......

Tell you what.......limit the "stick poking" and nobody will mistake you for a dick. The ACC is great. We get it. You're a guest. Act like one.

 

[uconndogs]

The internet is full of small people who like to show their importance and knowledge. Posting is only serious for folks who don't have something more constructive to do with their time and lives.

There have been a small number of posters who feel the need to come on this board and lord it over a fanbase that is largely unhappy with conference realignment. A good fanbase that is unhappy about something outside of their control.

I get it, we all get it, you're happy that BC is in the ACC and happy that UCONN fans are disappointed they are not. So keep on posting and show us how smart you are.

 

[Dann]

who is the next acc ad to get the hook????????????????????
i'll guess unc.

wtf is going on in the acc? either that league is truly just rtards thru and thru or there is some heavy news dropping some time in the next year and ppl are jumping ship and telling on each other before the bomb drops.

 

[Adios]

Navy is going to be joining a conference for the first time in their history in 2015. I think there's something going on.