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The visibility with ND is huge. National TV. Yankee Stadium. Sportsbars everywhere. It was as good a piece of branding as can be bought. That's as good a way to anchor the schedule as any. It was and is a no brainer.
 
ND series? Still a no way. Not without an appearance at the Rent. Nothing has changed. The promise at UConn was for big time college football right in our back yards. Not exporting games to "Broadway".
 
I think some here have forgotten how the proposed ND deal triggered an enormous public backlash. It was never going to happen once the details became known. Any hand-wringing about it is wasted energy.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I know that you really aren't this obtuse, you are merely altering the facts for convenience but the issue I brought up was not whether the there was or was not sound logic to the premise that cancelling the ND series cost us a spot in the ACC. It was solely questioning the many who within this thread claimed they knew all along that cancelling the series was a bad idea when at the time the series was being negotiated, there was a very small minority who actually believed (or at least were willing to put these beliefs in the old boneyard) that increasing the football program's national profile by playing a school who had the name and popularity of ND could actually benefit the growth of the program.
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It's obvious that being on national TV is going to contribute to raising the national profile of UConn football. The ability to broadcast both nationally AND regionally from coast to coast across all four time zones in conference games....... contrary to the insider clown's position in this discussion, is going to be a major factor for Big East football in the future. IMO, the future of the conference basically hinges on it. We don't have the name draws and outright ownership of all the markets. But we have HUGE potential to draw new viewership, which doesn't exist elsewhere. Putting several three hour windows of live college football sports programming in saturday football primetime from 3:30pm to 11:00pm across the country is a big deal.

It's also obvious that if we had signed the 6 year deal that Notre Dame wanted us to take, several years ago now, that we'd still have a couple years left of taking it up the keester hard financially on "road" games in our own yard. Syracuse is pushing to play games in NYC, and they've got USC, Penn St, and Notre Dame scheduled at Giants Stadium. Rutgers has worked their deals out in Yankee Stadium. We need to get some home games scheduled in the city too.

The only reason that NYC is not a college football town currently, is that for all the same reasons that football was minimized in the northeast many, many years ago, nobody....until recently, has really made an effort to make college football a presence in the city. Scheduling games at Yankee Stadium is a train we do need to get on as a football program.

Good lord, you can pick up a metro north train on the New Haven line and get off the 153rd street stop at the stadium in under an hour. They have to cross the river from Jersey, and syracuse, no matter how much they say NYC is theirs....Syracuse is still 200 miles from the city last time I checked.

I hope that getting involved at Yankee Stadium with scheduling UCONN football games and promoting the hell out of them to tri-state area is on AD Manuel's agenda.

It doesn't matter who we are playing there, as long as we are playing there.
 
You know what would make me happy? I"d like to see our Michigan scheduling get renewed and work out long term, and start playing a couple of those games in Yankee Stadium alternating with Rentschler. Rutgers can have Army alternate at home and in the Bronx.

I want Michigan alternating with Rentschler and Yankee Stadium in the future......

Come on Warde! Make it happen!!

(as if he's reading..... )
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Actually, the choices were a 7 game road series with Notre Dame or home and homes with Michigan and Tennessee.
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Is that a fact? Or is it just circumstance that it ended up that way?
 
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TouchdownHusky said:
ND series? Still a no way. Not without an appearance at the Rent. Nothing has changed. The promise at UConn was for big time college football right in our back yards. Not exporting games to "Broadway".
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You got it right. Anyone who plays ND anywhere but their own home field is like being the visitors whether we control the gate or not because there are more ND fans that would fill the stadium. I am a season ticket holder and would not travel for a "home" game - It''s pure Bullcrap. Play at the Rent or not at all. If it's all about the money than I would be open to paying a little more for my ticket at the Rent for a ND game - a real home game. I would rather have home and home with Mich and Tenn anyway.
 
FromTheInside said:
I never referred to the the Nielsen data as "TV sets". I was on auto-pilot earlier and referred to them as ratings, rather than total viewers. Ratings are not TV sets, but rather, the percentage of households w/ a TV that are watch a specific program/game.

The extrapolation between TV sets to viewers changes from situation to situation. So, two programs with the same exact rating can actually have different "total viewers". That's b/c when Nielsen logs TV usage, it also records total viewers, based either on demographic information required when you sign up to allow Nielsen to watch your viewing habits, or by keying in the number of viewers when you turn on the TV (Nielsen has several different systems). Generally, for college sporting events, there are 1.35 - 1.55 viewers per TV set.

Also, despite the popularity of college football, it is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of many other categories. The NFL absolutely obliterates college football in viewership. So, drawing in 4M+ viewers on average for a football game is pretty darn good, especially when you're talking about ALL games across ALL channels. The conference measures aren't solely Tier 1 games. They include Tier 2, which would include all of the ESPN brand, Fox Sports, etc. And, it also includes Tier 3, which are your PPV, Raycom, Sun Sports, Longhorn Network, etc.
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I am confused by your definition. I thought Ratings was a standard measurement of sets watching a show. "Share", a separate measurement, is the measure of TV sets on during a given time period. Am I incorrect in this?

Your ratio seems really low. If there are 115 million sets and 290 million total viewers per Nielson, then the ration is more like 2.5:1 viewers:set. Why is college football so much lower than the standard? I would think it would be higher, because it is on in so many bars and generally watched in large social settings, unlike a sitcom or drama which is usually watched alone or in small groups.

The SEC number looks even more enormous given your definition. If that average represents Tier 1 through Tier 3 games, 4.45 viewers/game at 1.45 viewers per set would translate into 3.069MM sets. There are typically 3 SEC prime time games on Saturday night, which would represent over 9MM sets, or 8% of the total population of TV sets. That is probably a 20-30% share for Saturday night. If they really had those kind of ratings, they would be in prime time on every network.

Those ratings just do not add up. I think those ratings numbers represent major NETWORK broadcasts, and don't even include ESPN, much less the Tier 2 and Tier 3.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
sorry to interrupt your little "I told you so" circle jerk with FFCountyFan, but the only way you even get to say "I told you so" is if you believe the speculative, some would say absurd, assertion that a few scheduled non-conference games drove all the decisions in expansion.
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I'm not saying I agree with that, although 'Insiders' posts are compelling, just that I had no problem with playing the UConn home games in NJ and MA.
 
Waquoit said:
I believe that would be check and mate.
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I think if I were going to claim checkmate for Nelson, I'd wait for the huge NBC deal he's been predicting forever. You know since he was the one who banged the drum loudest on sticking it to ESPN..... that has worked out splendidly.
 
Waquoit said:
I think some here have forgotten how the proposed ND deal triggered an enormous public backlash. It was never going to happen once the details became known. Any hand-wringing about it is wasted energy.
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Yes, it did and it wasn't surprising. The fact that the public was wrong is hardly shocking.

Is everyone's memory really that short? The morning after UConn beat a Notre Dame team so terrible they fired the coach immediately, Edsall was live on the Sunday morning Sportscenter talking about it.

I guess I'm old enough and realistic enough to not view the world through National Flag Blue colored lenses.... but if I want to be considered big time... I'm pretty sure I don't much care about who is selling concessions and the split of the tickets at an NFL stadium when my 10 year old program is playing Notre Dame. I'm just happy to be playing competitive football against Notre Dame. If we are what we think we are, we win the damn games.
 
whaler11 said:
I'm not saying I agree with that, although 'Insiders' posts are compelling, just that I had no problem with playing the UConn home games in NJ and MA.
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I didn't love it, but it wasn't giving me IBS like it was with some folks on this board. That said, it felt like ND was kind of rubbing our face in it when the Foxboro and Meadowlands games weren't even going to be UConn home games.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Is that a fact? Or is it just circumstance that it ended up that way?
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Tennessee and Michigan both wanted a higher profile field for the "UConn" side of the H&H. Once UConn signed with Notre Dame, Hathaway apparently said we only do that for ND, so Michigan, whose nuts were already in a ringer over the idea of a MAC team opening the new Big House, caved. Tennessee may have gotten there anyway, because unlike the rest of the SEC, they don't mind playing the occasional road game.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Tennessee and Michigan both wanted a higher profile field for the "UConn" side of the H&H. Once UConn signed with Notre Dame, Hathaway apparently said we only do that for ND, so Michigan, whose nuts were already in a ringer over the idea of a MAC team opening the new Big House, caved. Tennessee may have gotten there anyway, because unlike the rest of the SEC, they don't mind playing the occasional road game.
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So it stands to reason that if we went through with the ND deal, we could have had Michigan and Tennessee as well?

Imagine the years where we would have potentially had ND/Michigan or ND/Tennessee on our OOC. Regardless of where the game is played, that's something I would definitely be pumped up for.
 
whaler11 said:
I'm pretty sure I don't much care about who is selling concessions and the split of the tickets at an NFL stadium when my 10 year old program is playing Notre Dame.
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10 year old program? Any alum from before the FBS upgrade would beg to differ.
 
This thread has over 36,000 views. That has to be more than the attendance average of the last 3 ACC FB championship games.

Please continue....
 
Butchy said:
10 year old program? Any alum from before the FBS upgrade would beg to differ.
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You guys and your pre-upgrade talk. For the love of God no one cares about 90 years of mediocre or worse football. Here in the reality of 2012, to 99.9% of the population, UConn football started in 2000 or 2003 - take your pick.
 
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whaler11 said:
You guys and your pre-upgrade talk. For the love of God no one cares about 90 years of mediocre or worse football. Here in the reality of 2012, to 99.9% of the population, UConn football started in 2000 or 2003 - take your pick.
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Bandwagoner.
 
Butchy, are/were you a big Hartford Colonials fan? UFL: NFL :: 1AA : 1A
 
MattMang23 said:
Butchy, are/were you a big Hartford Colonials fan? UFL: NFL :: 1AA : 1A
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I did want to go to a game but didn't get the opportunity. I was a casual follower. What an ugly logo they had. I've been to plenty of minor league games. Even a Waterbury Spirit baseball game. Missed out on the Danbury Trashers. They are legendary in minor league hockey lore.
 
whaler11 said:
I think if I were going to claim checkmate for Nelson, I'd wait for the huge NBC deal he's been predicting forever. You know since he was the one who banged the drum loudest on sticking it to ESPN..... that has worked out splendidly.
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I missed your prediction of an ESPN raid of the Big East prior to it happening. And by the way, Pitt and Syracuse both voted to turn down the ESPN deal too, but you know better than everyone.
 
whaler11 said:
You guys and your pre-upgrade talk. For the love of God no one cares about 90 years of mediocre or worse football. Here in the reality of 2012, to 99.9% of the population, UConn football started in 2000 or 2003 - take your pick.
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Wow. For a person with the name "Whaler11", I thought you would understand being a fan during the "mediocre" years...
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I missed your prediction of an ESPN raid of the Big East prior to it happening. And by the way, Pitt and Syracuse both voted to turn down the ESPN deal too, but you know better than everyone.
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http://www.friarbasketball.net/2011/09/sports-business-journal-june-article-on.html?m=1

Actually they didn't. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Seton Hall and Rutgers did according to this link. Granted its only a Provy bball blog but it's better than anything you can provide.

Edit actually it's an excerpt from Sports Business Journal so it actually is from a credible source- even better.
 
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MattMang23 said:
http://www.friarbasketball.net/2011/09/sports-business-journal-june-article-on.html?m=1

Actually they didn't. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Seton Hall and Rutgers did according to this link. Granted its only a Provy bball blog but it's better than anything you can provide.

Edit actually it's an excerpt from Sports Business Journal so it actually is from a credible source- even better.
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READ YOUR OWN LINK SKIPPY. The vote against the deal was UNANIMOUS and only took 15 minutes. And Pitt and WVU were among the earliest opponents.

If you are going to play "gotcha" with me, you shouldn't be so colossally wrong about it.
 
zls44 said:
Bandwagoner? Yes. Know what else he is? 99% of the fanbase.

Stop preaching.
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99% of alumni didn't graduate after 2000. Disrespect the players who shed blood, sweat, and tears so that "99%" can have fun in their own little bubble. Typical.

Good thing the universities are more intelligent than "99%" of the fanbases and acknowledge every game played and every player who ever played for the schools. Going by this stupid logic, UMass just got started in college football. And URI has no football program. Didn't we play URI recently? Or was that some phantom team?
 
One day, I will buckle down and read this entire thread from stem to stern.

I'll have to hurry though: looks like it's already taking on water...
 
nelsonmuntz said:
READ YOUR OWN LINK SKIPPY. The vote against the deal was UNANIMOUS and only took 15 minutes. And Pitt and WVU were among the earliest opponents.

If you are going to play "gotcha" with me, you shouldn't be so colossally wrong about it.
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I did. You are referencing the second vote, in which the contract was unanimously rejected. UConn, FWIW, rejected the contract the second time too, as did Pitt and Cuse. So what's with the singling out of those two schools? Why aren't you mad at UConn? After all, we voted on the same side as Pitt and Cuse both times.

Edit- Pitt was not one of the earliest opponents. They were skeptical but voted for it, as did WVU. Read the link, Nelson, or at least interpret it how it's written, not as how you'd like it to be written.
 
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