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ACC Did Permanent Damage

How Sway?! said:
Wonder what did more permanent damage, the ACC backing up their full time member or Notre Dame throwing a tantrum and claiming bowl games are beneath them...
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I’m not a notre dame fan at all, but you can’t tell me they’re not one of the 12 best teams in the country -probably top six - and I get having one Cinderella or mid major in there but how the heck is James Madison AND Tulane both in the BCS playoff? Who wants to watch Ole Miss smack around Tulane again—- what a joke.
 
JB75 said:
I’m not a notre dame fan at all, but you can’t tell me they’re not one of the 12 best teams in the country -probably top six - and I get having one Cinderella or mid major in there but how the heck is James Madison AND Tulane both in the BCS playoff? Who wants to watch Ole Miss smack around Tulane again—- what a joke.
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Those are the terms they agreed to in order to keep their independence. Additionally, the reason why the 4 team playoff was so reviled was because it was always the same 4-6 teams. Now that we have non traditional schools being involved, we are going to complain little poor ND was left out?
 
Look at the NBA- the best teams might be in the West this year. Right? But that doesn't mean the East is ineligible to make the playoffs. The argument could be made that the 5th best team in the West is better than a 1-2 in the East. Oh well. That’s how sports and regions/divisions/unbalanced schedules work.
 
I'm a huge Notre Dame Football fan. My grandfather was a huge fan starting around 1915-1920 until his death and I was indoctrinated into the fold before I could speak. I still root for them. They are MY team despite being a UCONN Alum however, Notre Dame has ZERO right to complain. They can't have their cake and eat it too. They are a member of the ACC for all sports except for Football because ND has their own Football network and they didn't think that it makes sense for them to join a conference when they can do their own thing and make hundreds of millions of dollars in doing so. It is their right to make decisions in their own best interest but then they can't go and cry when a School who is a FULL member is promoted to go to the BCS and ND is not. They could join pretty much any conference that they want but they don't because they thought because they are Notre Dame they will just automatically be invited every year because of who they are. It doesn't work that way. I thought Notre Dame had done enough to get in but obviously the decision makers made their decision. Notre Dame is stomping their feet like a petulant child because they didn't get their way. They need to look in the mirror if they want to point the finger at anyone.
 
John said:
The concept of too much travel no longer applies to the major conferences.
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I get what you're saying but this next level travel. The amount of classes missed for these teams would be a lot (I get school prolly doesn't care) but the travel cost would be insane.
 
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RJScootin said:
I get what you're saying but this next level travel. The amount of classes missed for these teams would be a lot (I get school prolly doesn't care) but the travel cost would be insane.
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so would the payout and access.
 
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RJScootin said:
I get what you're saying but this next level travel. The amount of classes missed for these teams would be a lot (I get school prolly doesn't care) but the travel cost would be insane.
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The tv money helps secure charter flights to everything - which takes a lot of that issue away. Bus picks you up at Gampel, drives you right onto the tarmac, you hop off the bus and onto a comfortable plane, and another bus picks you up on the other tarmac. All those airport hassles are eliminated and cuts travel time in half.
 
RJScootin said:
I get what you're saying but this next level travel. The amount of classes missed for these teams would be a lot (I get school prolly doesn't care) but the travel cost would be insane.
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Do you realize how many classes are held virtually now? The teams also have dedicated helpers and tutors. If the kids want to take a class virtually, it’s their call in many cases.

When was the last time you heard of any student athlete at any school being academically ineligible?
 
Methalius said:
I'm a huge Notre Dame Football fan. My grandfather was a huge fan starting around 1915-1920 until his death and I was indoctrinated into the fold before I could speak. I still root for them. They are MY team despite being a UCONN Alum however, Notre Dame has ZERO right to complain. They can't have their cake and eat it too. They are a member of the ACC for all sports except for Football because ND has their own Football network and they didn't think that it makes sense for them to join a conference when they can do their own thing and make hundreds of millions of dollars in doing so. It is their right to make decisions in their own best interest but then they can't go and cry when a School who is a FULL member is promoted to go to the BCS and ND is not. They could join pretty much any conference that they want but they don't because they thought because they are Notre Dame they will just automatically be invited every year because of who they are. It doesn't work that way. I thought Notre Dame had done enough to get in but obviously the decision makers made their decision. Notre Dame is stomping their feet like a petulant child because they didn't get their way. They need to look in the mirror if they want to point the finger at anyone.
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For years, ND skipped bowl games outright unless the game had, or at least close to had championship potential.
 
IMO ND’s gripes are legit. The CFP committee created a false narrative that it was ND or Miami. That is nonsense. Alabama lost by 2 TDs to a FSU team that went on to finish 2-6 in the ACC, and they got freakin pants’d by UGA in the SEC title game.

My guess is the ACC realized they needed to go into attack mode against ND (to feed the false narrative the CFP committee was providing in that CFP propaganda hour it ran on ESPN the last month of the season), because in no small part they realized their conference championship game tiebreaker system would allow for a FIVE LOSS Duke team to play for all the marbles. That’s just bad leadership, vision, covering your assets, whatever you want to call it. Miami should’ve been in that title game to punt UVA into the sun, and then none of this is an issue.
 
What was the tiebreaker process between the 6-2 teams? Was it common record and then??? I can see using head to head with 2 teams and ranking with 3 or more.
 
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The real "what you sow so shall you reap" in all of this are the Conference Commissioners, University Presidents and Chancellors, and TV networks who prioritized short and medium term dollar signs over tradition, rivalries and longer term stability and a more level playing field for a much larger group of universities.

Obviously it was in the ACC's best interest to have Miami in their conference championship game... not a 7-5 Duke. But these oversized conferences mean that you don't get everyone playing each other, so some arbitrary set of rules has to be created to decide on who plays in the conference championship game if there is a tie.

Same goes for the SEC. Alabama was awarded the bid over Mississippi and Texas A&M due to "in-conference" strength of schedule. Ok. Whatever. Apparently that ass whooping at Florida St., who ended up 2-6/5-7 in the mighty ACC didn't mean anything. At all.

RIIIIIIGHT. 😵‍💫

They are succeeding in slowly but surely ruining the integrity of the sport.
 
Stinger92860 said:
What was the tiebreaker process between the 6-2 teams? Was it common record and then??? I can see using head to head with 2 teams and ranking with 3 or more.
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From a quick Google search:

"Duke football was awarded the second spot in the recent ACC Championship game due to the combined win percentage of their conference opponents, the fifth criterion used in the ACC's tiebreaker rules."

Pretty close to what the SEC did. Arbitrary, and stupid when you realize that both Duke and Alabama had out of conference losses that if taken into account would have knocked them out of their respective championship games. Which they should have. But none of that apparently matters.
 
College football is a joke. What is the point of the regular season? The playoffs are a mess. How can a single gender sport with just 12 games (only 6 at home) drive all of college conference realignment? I'm definitely biased, but you can make the case objectively that college basketball is a vastly superior product. I think it's only a matter of time before viewership and attendance for college football drop off over time. Then what?
 
ND are a bunch of entitled tone-deaf brats. They don't realize that people do not like entitled people. The more they whine about this, the worse they look. If I was the coach or AD, I'd lead the team to whatever bowl game invited us and prepare them to win.
 
Today’s news is that the ND AD says the ACC engaged in an anti ND social media campaign- hmm
 
Gurleyman said:
The tv money helps secure charter flights to everything - which takes a lot of that issue away. Bus picks you up at Gampel, drives you right onto the tarmac, you hop off the bus and onto a comfortable plane, and another bus picks you up on the other tarmac. All those airport hassles are eliminated and cuts travel time in half.
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What about the 30 other D1 sports. I assume they follow to be within same conference. Where’s their TV money?
 
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CTFAN4LIFE said:
Notre Dame not playing in a bowl game shows a total lack of respect for the game of college football.... Booohooo.
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Wah, wah, wah, I’m going to sit at home and feel sorry for my self when everyone else is out having fun playing ball!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC has sucked for a while, and this, the ACC’s best season since 2018 or so, puts the league at 4th best.

You are on to something here.🤣
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It is going through a major changing of the guard among coaches. 3 hall of famers retired and 2 other really good ones did. Roy, K, Boeheim, Bennett won what ? 10 championships or there bouts. Then add Laranega who was also very good. All retired within a 3 year period. That is a lot of talent to replace and there are bound to be steps back. As any UConn fan or any Villanova fan knows it is tricky to replace a Hall of Famehead coach. Just because someone worked for or played for that coach doesn’t mean he is an equal. The ACC is gradually figuring it out.
 
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