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ACC destroyed the Big East. A merger would make them partners. Problem solved.
I love ya mate, but for the ACC do to that would be an omission of his badly the screwed up by not taking us years ago, I don't think they are capable of offering that mea culpa. Yes, it would solve it problems, but so would the football program winning Powerball...which maybe has a better chance of happening.^•^
 
I could be wrong, but when the Big East had football, wasn't the big wedge pitting football schools vs non football schools lead to the destruction of the Big East and losing the P status. How would a Big East/ ACC Merger be different? I get decoupling football/basketball deals, if that would be the intention.
Maybe I just remember it different or forgot some of the details.
In short; the college sports landscape is different now.
 
ACC destroyed the Big East. A merger would make them partners. Problem solved.

This is not accurate. Only 3 schools were left without chairs when the Big East split in the early 2010’s, and ultimately Cincinnati and even UConn found homes. The other 13 schools in the 2011 Big East were not really hurt at all by realignment.
 
This is not accurate. Only 3 schools were left without chairs when the Big East split in the early 2010’s, and ultimately Cincinnati and even UConn found homes. The other 13 schools in the 2011 Big East were not really hurt at all by realignment.
It is entirely accurate. The ACC destroyed the Big East as we knew it. I know you are a big Big East fan but the 16 team conference was regularly getting 8-10 teams in the tourney. That Big East was far better than the current Big East.

Plus, sure maybe only 3 programs were left without chairs but the others splintered off to the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten and the resulting AAC. Just because they found homes doesn't mean the Big East Conference was OK. It clearly was not.
 
This is not accurate. Only 3 schools were left without chairs when the Big East split in the early 2010’s, and ultimately Cincinnati and even UConn found homes. The other 13 schools in the 2011 Big East were not really hurt at all by realignment.
That’s like saying the bank foreclosed on your house but at least you can afford to rent an apartment.
 
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Personally, I think UConn leaving the American was short sighted. I get why you guys did it, but from the outside looking in it signaled a lack of interest in football and football drives the bus. Yes there's a shifting focus to basketball, and yes that's going to ultimately benefit UConn in my opinion, but I think had you stayed in the American, you likely would've been in the Big XII by now.

Just an outsider perspective.
 
Personally, I think UConn leaving the American was short sighted. I get why you guys did it, but from the outside looking in it signaled a lack of interest in football and football drives the bus. Yes there's a shifting focus to basketball, and yes that's going to ultimately benefit UConn in my opinion, but I think had you stayed in the American, you likely would've been in the Big XII by now.

Just an outsider perspective.

Somebody has a lot of time on their hands......lol
 
Personally, I think UConn leaving the American was short sighted. I get why you guys did it, but from the outside looking in it signaled a lack of interest in football and football drives the bus. Yes there's a shifting focus to basketball, and yes that's going to ultimately benefit UConn in my opinion, but I think had you stayed in the American, you likely would've been in the Big XII by now.

Just an outsider perspective.
I think this is partly correct. The missing piece is that we would have had to invest in football like Houston and Cincinnati and SMU and even Tulane have done. Instead we nickeled and dimed it with Pasqualoni, who was washed up by the time we hired him, Diaco, then Edsall 2.0 who was shocked by the mess Diaco left then pretty much quiet quit when the move to independence was announced. Had we hired Mora (or more realistically a Mora type who knew what he was doing) instead of Edsall or Diaco we would be in the B12 . Staying in the AAC without taking football seriously would have been a disaster of the first order.

For what it’s worth, I think David Benedict got that message when he talked with the B12 and the ACC. If you listen to him now, at every opportunity he says football is important to our athletic future. He didn’t say that early in his tenure. The Mora hire was the first indication he was serious. I’ve heard him speak at multiple Alumni events recently. The message has changed.
 
I think this is partly correct. The missing piece is that we would have had to invest in football like Houston and Cincinnati and SMU and even Tulane have done. Instead we nickeled and dimed it with Pasqualoni, who was washed up by the time we hired him, Diaco, then Edsall 2.0 who was shocked by the mess Diaco left then pretty much quiet quit when the move to independence was announced. Had we hired Mora (or more realistically a Mora type who knew what he was doing) instead of Edsall or Diaco we would be in the B12 . Staying in the AAC without taking football seriously would have been a disaster of the first order.

For what it’s worth, I think David Benedict got that message when he talked with the B12 and the ACC. If you listen to him now, at every opportunity he says football is important to our athletic future. He didn’t say that early in his tenure. The Mora hire was the first indication he was serious. I’ve heard him speak at multiple Alumni events recently. The message has changed.
Diaco, on paper, wasn't a bad hire. He was a hot name up and comer assistant coach from a big program. He simply didn't work out. Hindsight is 20/20 and looking back, he clearly wasn't the guy, but every program hires a hot shoe that doesn't pan out like planned. Some guys are just better suited in the assistant coach position.
 
This is not accurate. Only 3 schools were left without chairs when the Big East split in the early 2010’s, and ultimately Cincinnati and even UConn found homes. The other 13 schools in the 2011 Big East were not really hurt at all by realignment.
I swear... sometimes, I think you're actually a Seton Hall alum in disguise.

Nobody in their right mind that roots for the Huskies would think that the ACC didn't destroy the Big East. And it didn't start in the 2010's. It literally started back in 2004 when our football team had just joined the Big East, and we watched Miami, Virginia Tech, and BC leaving what was only an 8-team conference to begin with.

You've gotta try to get better sleep at night, bro...
 
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Sorry but the resolution of the FSU and Clemson court cases against the ACC, and changes to the contract between the ACC and ESPN could be very important to UConn's future.
What I feel benefits UConn in all of this is the fact that the focus seems to be shifting to basketball, and basketball is more content for TV networks. It's no longer purely media market driven, but an emphasis on quality of content as well. What's more likely to draw viewers to subscribe; UConn vs UNC or Syracuse vs Little Sisters of the Poor?
 

Rick Pitino adamant Big East will ‘miss the boat’ if it doesn’t expand into mega conference​

“I’ve been trying to get [the Big East on board], and obviously I jumped on your bandwagon with the suggestion that you had about combining with the ACC, because I’ve been trying to get them to start a super league basketball league,” Pitino said before St. John’s 68-62 road win over UConn. “And get up to 18 teams, 16 teams. Eleven is just not enough. And right now, a little bit like the ACC, we are not typical of the Big East of the past that was getting eight or nine, 10 teams in the NCAA tournament. So I think we are missing the boat if we don’t expand.”

"Pitino has also suggested adding schools like Dayton and Saint Louis of the Atlantic 10 and Memphis of the AAC."

“Now the presidents, most of the presidents and probably including mine, who’s a very knowledgeable basketball fan, they think about money, they think about the bottom line,” Pitino said. “And it’s like a company like Uber starting out and they’re losing, you know, $500 million a year, but they understand 10 years down the road they’re gonna be making a billion dollars. We just can’t see that. We can’t see that there’s a lot of money to be made down the road if we form a super league.”

“The coaches I think are in favor of a super league,” he added, “and I just think the presidents are against it.”

 
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Rick Pitino adamant Big East will ‘miss the boat’ if it doesn’t expand into mega conference​

“I’ve been trying to get [the Big East on board], and obviously I jumped on your bandwagon with the suggestion that you had about combining with the ACC, because I’ve been trying to get them to start a super league basketball league,” Pitino said before St. John’s 68-62 road win over UConn. “And get up to 18 teams, 16 teams. Eleven is just not enough. And right now, a little bit like the ACC, we are not typical of the Big East of the past that was getting eight or nine, 10 teams in the NCAA tournament. So I think we are missing the boat if we don’t expand.”

"Pitino has also suggested adding schools like Dayton and Saint Louis of the Atlantic 10 and Memphis of the AAC."

“Now the presidents, most of the presidents and probably including mine, who’s a very knowledgeable basketball fan, they think about money, they think about the bottom line,” Pitino said. “And it’s like a company like Uber starting out and they’re losing, you know, $500 million a year, but they understand 10 years down the road they’re gonna be making a billion dollars. We just can’t see that. We can’t see that there’s a lot of money to be made down the road if we form a super league.”

“The coaches I think are in favor of a super league,” he added, “and I just think the presidents are against it.”


Big East really needs to look in creating a position in the conference which looks out for the conference strategically long-term, can work the phones with television partners, media folks and others.
Hire a person whose job it is to look out for the conference needs.
 
Big East really needs to look in creating a position in the conference which looks out for the conference strategically long-term, can work the phones with television partners, media folks and others.
Hire a person whose job it is to look out for the conference needs.
Pitino pushing the idea of lowering team share in the short run for long term deal potential is a LOT to ask, especially with all the possible movement in the P4 still looming. Risky.

To grab the best brands in the Catholic/Jesuit West, maybe run with something like this to avoid too many travel challenges.

West
St Louis
Gonzaga
St Mary's
Creighton
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Butler


East
Dayton
Gtown
Uconn
Seton Hall
PC
Villanova
St John's
St Joe's

That's a good looking 16 team conference. Can call it the Big Weast.
 
Pitino pushing the idea of lowering team share in the short run for long term deal potential is a LOT to ask, especially with all the possible movement in the P4 still looming. Risky.

To grab the best brands in the Catholic/Jesuit West, maybe run with something like this to avoid too many travel challenges.

West
St Louis
Gonzaga
St Mary's
Creighton
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Butler


East
Dayton
Gtown
Uconn
Seton Hall
PC
Villanova
St John's
St Joe's

That's a good looking 16 team conference. Can call it the Big Weast.
It seems there could be 2 potential roads: Expand the Big East or merge with the ACC. Your expansion scenario looks good, and notre dame can take UConn's slot when UConn moves on. :cool: Gonzaga has already made its move though with the PAC which might also negate St. Mary's. Too bad Duquesne hasn't been better to add the Pittsburgh market.

I would love to see a realistic merger scenario but the ACC is seemingly set for at least 5-6 years.
 
It seems there could be 2 potential roads: Expand the Big East or merge with the ACC. Your expansion scenario looks good, and notre dame can take UConn's slot when UConn moves on. :cool: Gonzaga has already made its move though with the PAC which might also negate St. Mary's. Too bad Duquesne hasn't been better to add the Pittsburgh market.

I would love to see a realistic merger scenario but the ACC is seemingly set for at least 5-6 years.
The ACC/BE merger sounds tantalizing and I love the idea, just don't know what would motivate the ACC to pull it as a full basketball move. There are too many football focused schools in that group that would have organ rejection to the idea. Unless there is strong evidence of money moving hard in the hoops direction, just don't see that in the cards.

If they run a big Catholic conference, maybe they can build some brand around it by having the Pope come in to toss up the opening tip for big games.
 
Would be happy to add those teams listed above if we tier our payout system. UConn shouldn’t be paid the same as DePaul.
 
Big East really needs to look in creating a position in the conference which looks out for the conference strategically long-term, can work the phones with television partners, media folks and others.
Hire a person whose job it is to look out for the conference needs.
Or just put someone into the commissioner's role that has those attributes?
 
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