Aaliyah Chavez reportedly looking for $1 million in NIL

[southie]

I get that this seems to be unchartered territory, and posters/fans are having a difficult time understanding the changes happening with NIL prior to a player entering college. Perhaps this is the first time there have been rumors of an actual NIL dollar amount for a girls' basketball high school senior recruit.

I remember being stunned when top 2023 recruit Juju Watkins chose to play at Southern Cal over South Carolina and several over the programs who had been having so much recent success. Let's face it, Southern Cal hadn't had any national success pretty much all of Juju's entire life; and, it's not like Coach Gotlieb is considered an elite head coach based on her prior collegiate stops.

So, why did Watkins choose to stay home? My guess would be NIL. This past April we read the rumors that Southern Cal found $800k in NIL for Stanford transfer, Kiki Iriafen. If that is true, it would make sense that Watkins received at least that much.

Then you look at UCLA attracting all these elite recruits from coast to coast, and a bunch of elite transfers. Again, it's not like Coach Close has even made it to one Final Four while in Westwood. I can only assume NIL is playing a huge factor there.

LSU was able to keep 2023 Mikayla Williams in-state. Prior year the brought in Flau'jae Johnson who even had a shoe deal with Puma (I think) prior to playing her first collegiate game.

Texas Tech found over $1 million for Stanford softball transfer NiJaree Canady who hails from the state of Kansas. Texas Tech has had zero success or history in the sport of softball; that didn't stop a deal from being worked out. If they paid an out-of-state player that much for a sport that is not as well-supported in Lubbock, TX as women's basketball, they most likely will break the bank for an in-city girls basketball recruit who could instantly become the face of the program and help elevate it above its recent mediocrity.

 

[Charliebball]

Creating new powerhouse teams where none existed can have good ramifications for the game as new fans well be grown in a new area that can last for a lifetime.
And there can be a spillover effect for the WNBA and March Madness too.
We've already seen the WNBA pros complain about their pay scale & the lack of profitability of the WNBA & how they're 2nd class athletes.
Just becuuse Caitlin Clark went to Iowa & patiently waited for her huge NIL shoe deal doesn't mean that every WCBB player has to wait their turn to cash in.
Major League Baseball drafts kids right of high school and pays the top dratees big bucks in lump sum slot money to not go to college & to play minor league baseball instead.
These young women sometimes need multiple surgeries before they graduate college from all of the wear & tear that's require to hone their BB skills.
I don't see anything negative when the result will be that NIL money helps to grow the game. & to incentivize & support athletes to develop their skills.
Once these players reach their prime then they eventually end up playing in the Olympics for national pride for a pittance.
And US pro WBB players are some of the lesser paid players in the world.
This all becomes part of growing the gane in the US.
The more that we can understand it then the more that we can all accept it.

It's the impact on the 95% of the college programs that don't have the money that I'm worried about.......instead of building a program over years by hiring a great coach and then recruiting the kind of players that fit the coach's system, the wealthiest schools will simply buy the talent they need to compete at the highest level.........I don't think that's going to lead to the best quality of basketball for anybody as evidenced by the all-star laden LSU team last year.....

 

[CajunHusk94]

It's the impact on the 95% of the college programs that don't have the money that I'm worried about.......instead of building a program over years by hiring a great coach and then recruiting the kind of players that fit the coach's system, the wealthiest schools will simply buy the talent they need to compete at the highest level.........I don't think that's going to lead to the best quality of basketball for anybody as evidenced by the all-star laden LSU team last year.....

LSU's issues IMO was the fact that they forced a player out of position (Hailey Van Lith) which impacted both their offense and defense, unlike their 2023 title team which actually all complimented each other. If they added a legit PG instead of Mulkey trying to force a square peg into a round hole, I think last years season goes very differently for them.

Buying talent/players is one thing, how they integrate/fit well with the other players/team chemistry is another thing. Granted NIL can be a touchy subject at times, when one player is getting all the attentional/deals/etc its interesting to see how that impacts team dynamics.

 

[jdote33]

For me, I think I still don't have a full understanding of NIL so it's hard to judge. I thought it wasn't supposed to be pay for play. I just thought the school can kinda help get deals or sponsorships.
Can Newton recently talked about Shedeur Sanders and said once the NCAA accepted/launched NIL, college athletes were open to criticism, almost suggesting that it ended it being amateur sports. But I thought that was incorrect. The criticism that pros get especially the ones who are paid high amounts from an organization, is due to them not living up to what the organization pays them. It's the same in any organization. If u find out someone with the same title is making triple the money but underperforming it makes sense to want to correct or reevaluate. NIL is different. If the Cavinder twins get an under armor deal cuz they are marketable, its silly to criticize them if they have bad games. Sorry for the side rant but there's a bit of a distinction for me.
Because I thought it's not supposed to be pay for play, I don't like stuff like this. However I do hope she makes a lot of money, more than the 1 million. I kinda hope she goes to a program like Texas Tech. If she brings national attention to that program and takes them to the second weekend and beyond she would be worth far more than the 1 million over 4 years. Like how much was Caitlin Clark worth to Iowa and the NCAA? She probably was/is underpaid in terms of her market value.

 

[southie]

It's the impact on the 95% of the college programs that don't have the money that I'm worried about.......instead of building a program over years by hiring a great coach and then recruiting the kind of players that fit the coach's system, the wealthiest schools will simply buy the talent they need to compete at the highest level.........I don't think that's going to lead to the best quality of basketball for anybody as evidenced by the all-star laden LSU team last year.....

There are only so many "great" coaches to go around. So, that's not gonna happen at let's say Texas Tech whose head coach is already in her fifth and final season of her first contract. Schools lose money (regardless of sport) when they don't win and don't put fans in the seats.

Talent is what wins; maybe not the ultimate championship, but helps win games. Even "great" head coaches can't win at a high level without talented players. We have arrived at that point where some elite players are getting paid more than the head coaches (such as Texas Tech softball). You would think the head coaches would be upset about that, but do they really have a choice?

 

[Bone Dog]

Just a reminder: Paige and Caitlin ended up at UConn and Iowa without any collective interference. No promise of any particular money. Paige earns upwards of $1m/year independently of any such intrusion.

I have to admire Chavez’s chutzpah, and I hope she lives up to the bluster it implies. If she doesn’t make all-American and maybe even NPOY as a freshman, she’s gonna catch some heat. And I have to suspect she won’t get either award.

 

[Charliebball]

Just a reminder: Paige and Caitlin ended up at UConn and Iowa without any collective interference. No promise of any particular money. Paige earns upwards of $1m/year independently of any such intrusion.

I have to admire Chavez’s chutzpah, and I hope she lives up to the bluster it implies. If she doesn’t make all-American and maybe even NPOY as a freshman, she’s gonna catch some heat. And I have to suspect she won’t get either award.

sadly she just needs to make a few made for TikTok plays per game to make that NIL money worth the investment........

 

[typhaon]

Just a reminder: Paige and Caitlin ended up at UConn and Iowa without any collective interference. No promise of any particular money. Paige earns upwards of $1m/year independently of any such intrusion.

I have to admire Chavez’s chutzpah, and I hope she lives up to the bluster it implies. If she doesn’t make all-American and maybe even NPOY as a freshman, she’s gonna catch some heat. And I have to suspect she won’t get either award.

If either of them were going to be frosh in 2025, I can almost guarantee they'd be getting a 7 or high-6 figure NIL from somewhere. It's not quite as bad with NCAAW as it is with the men, but it'll get there. Won't be long before even competing for a Final Four spot will require an 8-figure payroll for the roster.

 

[southie]

Just a reminder: Paige and Caitlin ended up at UConn and Iowa without any collective interference. No promise of any particular money. Paige earns upwards of $1m/year independently of any such intrusion.

I have to admire Chavez’s chutzpah, and I hope she lives up to the bluster it implies. If she doesn’t make all-American and maybe even NPOY as a freshman, she’s gonna catch some heat. And I have to suspect she won’t get either award.

That was 5 years ago, right?

I'd like to know what Juju, Flau'jae, Mikayla, Edwards, Booker, etc. got

 

[azfan]

That was 5 years ago, right?

I'd like to know what Juju, Flau'jae, Mikayla, Edwards, Booker, etc. got

A lot!

 

[sun]

It's the impact on the 95% of the college programs that don't have the money that I'm worried about.......instead of building a program over years by hiring a great coach and then recruiting the kind of players that fit the coach's system, the wealthiest schools will simply buy the talent they need to compete at the highest level.........I don't think that's going to lead to the best quality of basketball for anybody as evidenced by the all-star laden LSU team last year.....

Your criticism reminds of an old saying, "Money isn't everything but it helps."
We've entered the era of the opportunity economy., where people seize the opportunity to improve their own lives & those around them.
LSU's performance last year is about as relevant as the price of rice.
At least Ms. Chavez hasn't announced that she's going to play for SCar.
Doesn't that offer you some relief regarding the possible success of your favorite team?

 

[nwhoopfan]

The way it's going, NCAA will have to implement a salary cap. With no luxury tax so deep pocketed teams can go over the cap. Then teams will have to make smart decisions about who to pay and how much.


Yes, NIL has quickly spun completely out of control. It took almost no time at all to become something completely different than what it was originally. It's just flat out paying players. That's probably always been going on to some degree in the big money sports, but now it's all out in the open, and I think the payouts are way bigger than they used to be when it was "cheating." And it's bled over into non revenue sports. That wasn't really an issue before.

 

[Charliebball]

Your criticism reminds of an old saying, "Money isn't everything but it helps."
We've entered the era of the opportunity economy., where people seize the opportunity to improve their own lives & those around them.
LSU's performance last year is about as relevant as the price of rice.
At least Ms. Chavez hasn't announced that she's going to play for SCar.
Doesn't that offer you some relief regarding the possible success of your favorite team?

I don't care what team she signs with as long as it's for the right reasons........I've been following her career since she was a freshman in high school and she's always been a dynamic scorer who should thrive at the next level, so I would have thought the NIL money would find her as it did for Clark and Bueckers.........if her recruitment is based mostly on who will front her the most cash than I say good luck to her and the team that forks over the money.......just like you said.........money isn't everything......

 

[southie]

I don't care what team she signs with as long as it's for the right reasons........I've been following her career since she was a freshman in high school and she's always been a dynamic scorer who should thrive at the next level, so I would have thought the NIL money would find her as it did for Clark and Bueckers.........if her recruitment is based mostly on who will front her the most cash than I say good luck to her and the team that forks over the money.......just like you said.........money isn't everything......

Who determines the "right" reasons? Certainly not those of us on an anonymous message board who have never met her or her family.

 

[oldude]

Who determines the "right" reasons? Certainly not those of us on an anonymous message board who have never met her or her family.

Spoken like someone who thinks that TX has the “inside track” with Ms Chavez….

 

[GoUconn7961]

This is why UConn needs to get into the big 12 or the acc. They are not going to be able to compete with this new normal.

This is why UConn is recruiting so many overseas players who aren't eligible for NIL $ - He wants players who want to be at UConn regardless.

 

[southie]

Spoken like someone who thinks that TX has the “inside track” with Ms Chavez….

Actually, no.

I've gone on record here back in August after it was reported that Texas Tech paid a softball transfer $1 million in NIL that they would most likely land Chavez as they won't be outbid for a hoopster residing in their back yard.

 

[cancontent]

This is why UConn is recruiting so many overseas players who aren't eligible for NIL $ - He wants players who want to be at UConn regardless.

You really think that's why? That's seems like a stretch considering who has committed recently.

And again, international athletes are eligible for NIL. Provided what they do doesn't violate their visa status, it's fine.

 

[Charliebball]

Who determines the "right" reasons? Certainly not those of us on an anonymous message board who have never met her or her family.

Well, call me old fashioned but the "right" reasons used to be to find a school with a supportive, winning coaching staff that could also improve a recruit's game, teammates that are not only complimentary basketball players but great people and a quality educational system that would give the recruit a useful college degree in their field of choice.........now that NIL cash has entered the picture, exactly where does it fit in along with all of those other criteria? I may be naive, but I think Chavez is going to get her "bag" wherever she goes without having to abandon the rest.......

 

[oldude]

Actually, no.

I've gone on record here back in August after it was reported that Texas Tech paid a softball transfer $1 million in NIL that they would most likely land Chavez as they won't be outbid for a hoopster residing in their back yard.

That’s fine. If the folks in Lubbock or Austin have sufficient financial resources to spread around to that extent, so be it. But here’s the thing. This forum is all about speculation. We post extensively about recruiting, where top recruits are possibly heading and why.

We all have our own criteria that each of us believes are important. So when CB, you, I or anyone else speculates about someone’s recruiting decision for the “right” reasons we try to respect their opinions. That doesn’t mean we have to agree.

Ultimately, if we all stop speculating, the BY would be a very dull site, with few if any regular posters.

 

[GoUconn7961]

You really think that's why? That's seems like a stretch considering who has committed recently.

And again, international athletes are eligible for NIL. Provided what they do doesn't violate their visa status, it's fine.

I don't think it's the sole reason, no. But I think it does factor in, even if it's only a little bit.

 

[cancontent]

I don't think it's the sole reason, no. But I think it does factor in, even if it's only a little bit.

Then say it's a possible factor versus phrasing your post in a way that makes it sound it's the main reason. However, considering UConn has always recruited international students I don't think NIL is a factor to the increase in international students being recruited. It's a trend that goes up and down based on available talent and mutual interest.

 

[GoUconn7961]

Then say it's a possible factor versus phrasing your post in a way that makes it sound it's the main reason. However, considering UConn has always recruited international students I don't think NIL is a factor to the increase in international students being recruited. It's a trend that goes up and down based on available talent and mutual interest.

Don't lecture me please. I have a mother.

 

[southie]

That’s fine. If the folks in Lubbock or Austin have sufficient financial resources to spread around to that extent, so be it. But here’s the thing. This forum is all about speculation. We post extensively about recruiting, where top recruits are possibly heading and why.

We all have our own criteria that each of us believes are important. So when CB, you, I or anyone else speculates about someone’s recruiting decision for the “right” reasons we try to respect their opinions. That doesn’t mean we have to agree.

Ultimately, if we all stop speculating, the BY would be a very dull site, with few if any regular posters.

Where has lack of respect been shown? Not getting the point of that comment.

Of course, speculation is a big part of recruiting topics. And, when someone makes the decision to post their opinion on here, they have opened themselves up to replies and questions from other posters about that opinion; that is why this is an interactive discussion board. Doesn't mean posters have to be judgmental towards recruits and their families who they've never met; that's a choice.

 

[cancontent]

Don't lecture me please. I have a mother.

Context matters though. Making something sound like it's an absolute when that isn't what you meant gives readers the wrong impression.