AAC Student-Athletes Make Demands (Covid safety protocols, hazard pay, 20% revenue sharing)

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But I don't think they're going to like the resolution ultimately.

I agree. Push this issue too hard and schools should throw in the towel on big time football and select other sports. The mission is education first...not a semi pro sports league. Kids want semi pro sports then find another avenue. There are limits here and it seems we'll be spending the next decade finding those exact limits.

 

[upstater]

I agree. Push this issue too hard and schools should throw in the towel on big time football and select other sports. The mission is education first...not a semi pro sports league. Kids want semi pro sports then find another avenue. There are limits here and it seems we'll be spending the next decade finding those exact limits.

There is one way to make everyone happy, and I've been pushing it. The schools should license their brand to the pro league and also just charge breakeven rent for facilities.

This would give everyone what they want (except for northeasterners who would have a hard time pretending pro players have anything to do with the school).

 

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There is one way to make everyone happy, and I've been pushing it. The schools should license their brand to the pro league and also just charge breakeven rent for facilities.

This would give everyone what they want (except for northeasterners who would have a hard time pretending pro players have anything to do with the school).

Interesting idea .....it could emerge from the rubble should it all collapse.

 

[J187Money]

Can't stop that. When schools function this way (prohibiting compensation) they are acting as a cartel with monopoly powers.

We need to let it happen.

And schools need a new system to help rebalance competition like granting more scholarships to losing programs or reducing scholarships for winning programs or allowing more immediate play transfers slots for losing programs, etc.

I agree you need to let it happen. I also think that you will see some really weird outcomes, and parity (if it existed at all) will just get worse from here.

 

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I agree you need to let it happen. I also think that you will see some really weird outcomes, and parity (if it existed at all) will just get worse from here.

Unleash the chaos of endorsement $$ for the student athlete. Outcomes will be weird. Oh well. There is no moral high ground denying the kids the $$. I think the NCAA is a terrible position in the court system under this structure only they can get the cash for the efforts of the youth. I dont think schools should pay the kids directly, they just shouldnt deny the kids the right to get comp in whatever way they can.

 

[upstater]

Unleash the chaos of endorsement $$ for the student athlete. Outcomes will be weird. Oh well. There is no moral high ground denying the kids the $$. I think the NCAA is a terrible position in the court system under this structure only they can get the cash for the efforts of the youth. I dont think schools should pay the kids directly, they just shouldnt deny the kids the right to get comp in whatever way they can.

The original judge of that case threw up her hands because she couldn't make heads or tails of how the ugly truth of it comes together, which is why she just said, give them some compensation. The lawyers meanwhile were arguing on the basis of a NLRB decision that has since been overturned (whether TAs can form a protective class). & oddly, the athletes are what enabled the overturning of the infamous Brown U. TA case, so we have athletes now making inroads for TAs.

At the end of the day, the revenue-generating sports teams will go pro before becoming pay for play, simply because finances won't allow it to be otherwise. Look at UConn: $40m in the red. How much more can possibly be moved to the other side of the ledger to keep this concern going?

Just go pro. Pay the players according to how much money the team brings in once it is professionalized. Make it transparent and clean, and the controversy will be over. The worst thing to do is what is being prescribed by the court, especially by a judge who was exasperated by this case. The in-between is killing players and colleges.

 

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The original judge of that case through up her hands because she couldn't make heads or tails of how the ugly truth of it comes together, which is why she just said, give them some compensation. The lawyers meanwhile were arguing on the basis of a NLRB decision that has since been overturned (whether TAs can form a protective class). & oddly, the athletes are what enabled the overturning of the infamous Brown U. TA case, so we have athletes now making inroads for TAs.

At the end of the day, the for-profit sports teams will go pro before becoming pay for play, simply because finances won't allow ti to be otherwise. Look at UConn: $40m in the red. How much more can possibly be moved to the other side of the ledger to keep this concern going?

Just go pro. Pay the players according to how much money the team brings in once it is professionalized. Make it transparent and clean, and the controversy will be over. The worst thing to do is what is being prescribed by the court, especially by a judge who was exasperated by this case. The in-between is killing players and colleges.

You have some interesting ideas. The challenge in your model would be sustainability for extended periods of down years. Schools plug the financial losses seasons (as we know at UConn).

 

[J187Money]

Unleash the chaos of endorsement $$ for the student athlete. Outcomes will be weird. Oh well. There is no moral high ground denying the kids the $$. I think the NCAA is a terrible position in the court system under this structure only they can get the cash for the efforts of the youth. I dont think schools should pay the kids directly, they just shouldnt deny the kids the right to get comp in whatever way they can.

Don't disagree. Just might end up causing a bunch of schools to kill/downgrade sports. What I think will happen is that for the "pro" level athletes this will be a BIG win, and for the average student athlete, it will mean less opportunity. Look at everything else in this world that is a free market system - you have a few winners and TONS of losers. I don't want to deny anyone anything that they deserve - I would just imagine in the long run that D1 is a lot smaller and everything else is D2/D3.

 

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Don't disagree. Just might end up causing a bunch of schools to kill/downgrade sports. What I think will happen is that for the "pro" level athletes this will be a BIG win, and for the average student athlete, it will mean less opportunity. Look at everything else in this world that is a free market system - you have a few winners and TONS of losers. I don't want to deny anyone anything that they deserve - I would just imagine in the long run that D1 is a lot smaller and everything else is D2/D3.

Bingo bingo bingo. The payroll on the modern MLB is a fine example of the extreme dichotomy with $20MM guys next to 500k guys. Gonna have a QB and a couple other draft picks landing some $ and a ton of other kids pulling in a couple grand. The pressure to talent scout HS QBs would be amped up big time in this model.

And yes, it is very likely this issue will result in a reduction in FBS schools and therefore fewer scholarships and therefore fewer opportunities. Unintended consequences run high here for sure.

 

[upstater]

You have some interesting ideas. The challenge in your model would be sustainability for extended periods of down years. Schools plug the financial losses seasons (as we know at UConn).

These issues are coming up during a time when schools are experiencing $100m black holes with no state help in sight. The carnage on campus is like nothing ever seen before.

 

[J187Money]

Bingo bingo bingo. The payroll on the modern MLB is a fine example of the extreme dichotomy with $20MM guys next to 500k guys. Gonna have a QB and a couple other draft picks landing some $ and a ton of other kids pulling in a couple grand. The pressure to talent scout HS QBs would be amped up big time in this model.

And yes, it is very likely this issue will result in a reduction in FBS schools and therefore fewer scholarships and therefore fewer opportunities. Unintended consequences run high here for sure.

I know the Yankees hate revenue sharing - but if MLB didn't have it - there might only be like 7 teams. That's fun.

 

[Waquoit]

I know the Yankees hate revenue sharing - but if MLB didn't have it - there might only be like 7 teams. That's fun.

That's 100% not true. Revenue sharing just pays teams for not trying.

 

[J187Money]

That's 100% not true. Revenue sharing just pays teams for not trying.

Let's be serious - places like KC and Milwaukee couldn't possibly compete with Boston/LA/NY.

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When the difference is over $400M/year from top to bottom INCLUDING revenue sharing - please let me know how hard you would have to try to over come that lol.

 

[Waquoit]

Let's be serious - places like KC and Milwaukee couldn't possibly compete with Boston/LA/NY.

There ought to be a requirement that the teams spend the revenue sharing they get.

 

[HardFacts]

Unleash the chaos of endorsement $$ for the student athlete. Outcomes will be weird. Oh well. There is no moral high ground denying the kids the $$. I think the NCAA is a terrible position in the court system under this structure only they can get the cash for the efforts of the youth. I dont think schools should pay the kids directly, they just shouldnt deny the kids the right to get comp in whatever way they can.

Bottom line is there not enough $$$ to go around for student athletes from endorsements or any source. How many pro’s have significant endorsement contracts. The only players that will make anything are those to be projected
early draft picks. How many UConn players would get endorsements? From who?

 

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Bottom line is there not enough $$$ to go around for student athletes from endorsements or any source. How many pro’s have significant endorsement contracts. The only players that will make anything are those to be projected
early draft picks. How many UConn players would get endorsements? From who?

I don’t know. Why does it matter? They get what ever they can get; couple grand here, a few more there. Some will do pretty well. Lots of boosters will step up for select kids with contracts small and large especially QBs.

I don’t think the schools will ever pay the players cash directly. They don’t want employees.

 

[HardFacts]

I don’t know. Why does it matter? They get what ever they can get; couple grand here, a few more there. Some will do pretty well. Lots of boosters will step up for select kids with contracts small and large especially QBs.

I don’t think the schools will ever pay the players cash directly. They don’t want employees.

Boosters?? N.C.A.A. will allow that

 

[HardFacts]

I don’t know. Why does it matter? They get what ever they can get; couple grand here, a few more there. Some will do pretty well. Lots of boosters will step up for select kids with contracts small and large especially QBs.

I don’t think the schools will ever pay the players cash directly. They don’t want employees.

Boosters stepped up years ago! That brought oversight and recruiting violations.
SMU and death sentence

 

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Boosters stepped up years ago! That brought oversight and recruiting violations.
SMU and death sentence

And now its time to make all that stuff legal as long as the income is reported via a NCAA sanctioned contract.

Funny thing is, boosters and whomever else are going to make a lot of mistakes and thats okay - lessons will be learned.

 

[HardFacts]

And now its time to make all that stuff legal as long as the income is reported via a NCAA sanctioned contract.

Funny thing is, boosters and whomever else are going to make a lot of mistakes and thats okay - lessons will be learned.

Booster involvement in contracts will never be allowed! College sports will not exist
the power five would harvest ALL the talent and leave everyone further behind.

 

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Booster involvement in contracts will never be allowed! College sports will not exist
the power five would harvest ALL the talent and leave everyone further behind.

So your alternative is what; the status quo where kids create value for the school but have zero opportunity to ever collect on any of it beyond their generous scholarship (which is enhanced with academic support)? I don't see the schools ever paying anything beyond a modest cash stipend. They don't ever want to be in a position to call this labor and as importantly, they dont want to be also in a position of deciding recruit X gets a 20k salary and recruit Y gets 50k. They dont want to get directly involved in pay grades and what is sure to be a somewhat foolish endeavor assigning specific values to kids. Instead, let the fan market place do that for you.

As for the power 5, they are already harvesting most of the talent; so what could change? What gives the G5 any chance in todays environment and in the future is the same as it has always been: playing time & patience to allow for player development. Most P5 schools are taking the kids that a much closer to a finished product. Most of the G5 schools are taking kids that need 1-3 years of development. Thanks to the fact that humans grow at different speeds, we have to wait to see if that four star kid is already maxed out as an 18 year old while that two star kid just needs 18 more months to grow into their body to become a four star kid. This here is the beauty and the awesome chaos of college football.

That all said, there are two big holes in the "unlimited" comp environment:
i) Some schools will find a sugar daddy to (Tilman Ferrita in Houston and T Boone Pickens in Ok St) to lure in talent in a big way far outpacing their fellow schools.
ii) The G5 will be especially prone to losing transfers to the P5 when they do develop players. The stars of the G5 schools will certainly be cherry picked.

The only solution I have for both of these concerns would be to get technical with the scholarship cap by running a four year avg wins formula which would reduce scholarships down to 75 for persistent winning programs and up to 95 for losing programs. The formula would also allow for losing programs to have more liberal rules to allow for incoming transfers to have immediate playing time and the opposite for winning programs (for example, teams will a four year avg winning percentage of less than 40% would be allowed 4 immediate playing time transfers from the G5 or P5 the following season while teams with a winning percentage above 60% would be allowed just 1 immediate playing time transfer from the G5 or P5). Tons of talented kids wash out of the P5 every year when they realize they arent going to get the playing time. That talent could be more effectively redistributed downward by granting immediate playing time waivers more liberally to losing programs.

 

[J187Money]

There ought to be a requirement that the teams spend the revenue sharing they get.

Agree 100%.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

On the topic of AAC football:

Monday: The Oklahoman news report:

"Eight Tulsa football players tested positive for COVID-19 and eight more players came into direct contact with those infected. All 16 players have been placed in quarantine, leading the university to pause practice until further notice, the school announced Monday."

2 days ago: Tulsa newspaper editorial: We love college football, but it's time to cancel 2020 season

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Notre Dame general population at 19% positivity rate and not testing as promised earler in summer. Now remote learning for two weeks.

 

[uconnbill]

The NCAA screwed the pooch in not having one thing for all schools instead of conferences doing their own thing.

 

[Waquoit]

The NCAA screwed the pooch in not having one thing for all schools instead of conferences doing their own thing.

But the NCAA doesn't run D-1 football I thought

 

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The NCAA screwed the pooch in not having one thing for all schools instead of conferences doing their own thing.

I dont understand these types of comments. The NCAA governing body is comprised of a rotating group of university administrators and its those very administrators that are listening to the football-economics and backing off.

 

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It was all going so well ..... ND, UConn, ECU and the Mets all taking COVid hits today.