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AAC & Grant-of-Rights

manbyrd said:
Georgetown, St Johns, Villanova, even Seton Hall will likely survive as entities, they are close enough to major metropolitan areas to fight the decline of Catholicism. But long-term any sort of sports dominance is likely to fade away fast. Tuition is already too high for these schools, when expenses get tight sports will be the first to be cut.
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In the future, it will make even less sense to pay 50k for a private education that has no better reputation than public schools. I live near Sacred Heart and it's hard to imagine anything other than an implosion.
 
UCFBfan said:
The reality is that no one is dropping football or moving out of the best G5 conference.
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it won't be the best G5 conference once ucf usf memphis houston and cincy leave. this is the piece everyone is missing. it will be uconn, tulsa, ecu, navy, wichita, smu, temple and tulane. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww. that's worse than the old c-usa!
 
Walker11 said:
With the way things our trending with Uconn and Memphis, I wouldn't be surprised if the AAC is getting in more teams in 2 years. If we could put football somewhere, I'd prefer the BE but I think the trend favors the American and they should even out soon. A lot of this depends on Hurley and us.
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Even if both teams get back to what they once were, we are relying too much on other programs in the American to stay where they are.
 
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yukonfan4 said:
it won't be the best G5 conference once ucf usf memphis houston and cincy leave. this is the piece everyone is missing. it will be uconn, tulsa, ecu, navy, wichita, smu, temple and tulane. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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Where are they supposedly going?? The Big 12 explored expansion and passed on all available schools. If Texas and OU leave, Kansas is likely close behind. Can't see the Big 12 remaIning a P5 conference after that. Even if they add UCF, Cincy, or USF. That doesn't make them a P5. So I dont see them leaving anytime soon.
 
gampelcrazies said:
Even if both teams get back to what they once were, we are relying too much on other programs in the American to stay where they are.
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This is the important point and one I can't argue.
 
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The market is about to tell us how far we are behind. We won't sniff Big 12 money. Closer? Sure. Close? Not so much.
 
yukonfan4 said:
because a network isn't going to pay big bucks to the aac for a tv deal with the expectation that ucf and memphis etc. are going to be here for 10 years only to have them leave for a P5 confernece after 5 years. the ratings would plummet. as i said above, a future aac with only: navy, wichita, tulsa, ecu, temple smu and uconn is a dumpster fire!
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In every contract we've ever had, networks accounted for the possibility of schools leaving with contract language. If so-and-so isn't there, we drop the yearly pay out to $X. This is pretty normal. GORs do absolutely nothing for the networks (unless, as Fishy pointed out, the network is at work building out a separate conference network).
 
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UCFBfan said:
If Texas and OU leave, Kansas is likely close behind.
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yeah thats the sum of all fears right there. ucf houston and memphis could slide right in. maybe cincy and usf too and theyd be back to 12 teams

also from the article that started all this- "[along with UCF], Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston and South Florida are the other candidates most likely to be targeted by the power five, according to several well-placed sources."

we'd be left high and dry again.
 
manbyrd said:
Georgetown, St Johns, Villanova, even Seton Hall will likely survive as entities, they are close enough to major metropolitan areas to fight the decline of Catholicism. But long-term any sort of sports dominance is likely to fade away fast. Tuition is already too high for these schools, when expenses get tight sports will be the first to be cut.
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I just wanted to underline that this isn't about Catholicism, but rather about Higher Ed in general. Rising tuition, less money for the middle class, plus the killer: a demographic timebomb--when the Baby-Boom-Boom ends, there will be a huge drop in prospective students I still can't get over 9 incoming freshman at Antioch.
 
yukonfan4 said:
yeah thats the sum of all fears right there. ucf houston and memphis could slide right in. maybe cincy and usf too and theyd be back to 12 teams

also from the article that started all this- "[along with UCF], Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston and South Florida are the other candidates most likely to be targeted by the power five, according to several well-placed sources."

we'd be left high and dry again.
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Well if this becomes a reality we'll have a better idea when those schools say no to the GOR. It's not just a UConn thing in terms of whether to sign or not. This is an issue for all current members. In the end, I can't see them all agreeing to sign. UCF and Cincy for sure. Houston, Memphis, and USF are long shots for the Big 12, IMO.
 
upstater said:
Because Susan would have done a better job at picking a football coach than Warde Manuel and Benedict?

Let's face it, it wasn't her job to pick football coaches, and that's really where UConn is hurting mostly. The fact is, schools in our region, with worse recruiting areas, with worse facilities, with worse conference situations, with worse budgets, are outworking UConn where it matters most: coaching. Simple as that. UConn can turn this around.
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There's one thing you are overlooking. I think the US will become a global destination for education even more. The head of the royal family of Mysore in India is a UMass alum. He's only 26.
 
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upstater said:
In every contract we've ever had, networks accounted for the possibility of schools leaving with contract language. If so-and-so isn't there, we drop the yearly pay out to $X. This is pretty normal. GORs do absolutely nothing for the networks (unless, as Fishy pointed out, the network is at work building out a separate conference network).
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no one's signing a GOR so it's a moot point, but in a networks mind, signing a GOR somewhat guarantees that all the schools will remain in the conference through the term of the contract. but again, it's not gonna happen because everyones fighting to get out of the aac like rats off a sinking ship.
 
CL82 said:
What are you talking about? You were talking that UConn should "come back to the Big East." I pointed out the UConn is in the same conference it has been in since 1979 and that the Catholic 7 left the Big East and bought the rights to the name. ...And then you went all "Sandy Barbour." Man you Little East guys are hypersensitive.
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I'm too lazy this morning to go back in this thread and find it but I assumed you were saying that you will just wait for the inevitable P5 invite to come. My point? I don't think it is.
 
tcf15 said:
I'm all aboard the "Fox wants UConn hoops in the Big East and will help with independent football scheduling" hype train.
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If they want us bad enough for hoops then they'd need to step up and get us a scheduling alliance with their properties for football Independence.
 
upstater said:
In every contract we've ever had, networks accounted for the possibility of schools leaving with contract language. If so-and-so isn't there, we drop the yearly pay out to $X. This is pretty normal. GORs do absolutely nothing for the networks (unless, as Fishy pointed out, the network is at work building out a separate conference network).
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This is correct, though in terms of the current AAC contract if certain schools leave (from pool A and/or multiples from pool B) then the media contract would be null and void and would have to be renegotiated completely.

UConn is in pool A. Which baffles my mind why they aren't mentioned in the SBJ report. Despite football, they still have the most market value and the most potential upside.
 
Hoophound said:
Sandy Barbour is a UMass grad. I’d take her solitary opinion as nothing of value on a long term speculative basis. They took Rutgers. Laughing at UConn 5 years ago—-when Rutgers was just invited—-seems disingenuous or at least dramatic for effect. Plus, she’s just an AD.
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I did not realize that. Explains why she was so rude about it. She did say it took a very heavy hand of Delaney to get Rutgers in as all the schools were against it and there are no more coming from the east.
 
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UCFBfan said:
Where are they supposedly going?? The Big 12 explored expansion and passed on all available schools. If Texas and OU leave, Kansas is likely close behind. Can't see the Big 12 remaIning a P5 conference after that. Even if they add UCF, Cincy, or USF. That doesn't make them a P5. So I dont see them leaving anytime soon.
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There are fewer spots than there are B12 members, so they'll remain viable entities. B12 loses 2 and then probably takes 2 from AAC.
 
Butch said:
There's one thing you are overlooking. I think the US will become a global destination for education even more. The head of the royal family of Mysore in India is a UMass alum. He's only 26.
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Our numbers of foreign students are dropping rapidly, blowing big holes in budgets. But the schools that will draw those students anyway are research institutions, not small privates or Catholics.
 
yukonfan4 said:
no one's signing a GOR so it's a moot point, but in a networks mind, signing a GOR somewhat guarantees that all the schools will remain in the conference through the term of the contract. but again, it's not gonna happen because everyones fighting to get out of the aac like rats off a sinking ship.
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And how does that improve the network's payout? That's my only question. Remember, ESPN was actually more interested in taking property it already owned (The Big East) and cannibalizing it rather than keeping it together.
 
FriarJ said:
I did not realize that. Explains why she was so rude about it. She did say it took a very heavy hand of Delaney to get Rutgers in as all the schools were against it and there are no more coming from the east.
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Barbour doesn't know her own history. All the schools were against Penn State joining too!
 
Guapo said:
I realize that this isn’t just about basketball but the NBE is already considered a “power conference” in basketball.
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Recruiting for Georgetown and StJohns certainly doesn't scream "POWER CONFERENCE"

St Johns was on Gaffney for years and Luther Muhammad longer than that, and BOTH players chose coaches who just took new jobs over going to St Johns.

They are filling up with transfers.

Georgetown is recruiting like its 1986 with their Frankenstein bigmen recruits.

Get out with this BS hype-train about the NBE.

Outside of Nova, there is no discernible difference in conferences... and now that UConn/Memphis are recruiting better than Nova, that narrative is about to change as well.

Providence got schooled by Gregg Marshall with a bunch of unheralded freshmen.

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