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HuskyHawk said:
I don't want us to go to the Big East, but this is one way to do it. Fox would need to get the B1G and Big XII to agree to play us in football on a reasonable basis. B1G has designated UConn as a "P5" level opponent (comical given our level of play).

While we are on conspiracy theories, I think ESPN could do the same by parking us in the ACC for everything but football, and guaranteeing 4 games a year home/road.
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Yeah there are a ton of ways to do it. But whatever it'd have to be, it'd have to be creative. That much I think we'd agree on.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Better for what? Better as a liberal arts school? No.
Undergraduate Engineering? Even USNWR has Cinci #86 and Nova #107.
Their law schools are ranked similarly. How about Graduate Sciences?
Villanova doesn't even have any.
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It's better in all non-professional programs (those mainly have regional appeal, ie. business and law, etc.). Villanova has higher SATs, though admissions is above 50%.
 
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Towney007 said:
Posting without comment on it, but just so everyone has it - these are your academic rankings for all the schools. Big East is a little different as you're looking at Providence, Butler, Providence and Xavier being more 'regional' universities - but who are also basically among the best in that category, particularly PC, Butler and Creighton.


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Funny thing is that PC was 2nd to Nova for 10 straight years in the NE, then when Nova went to the National school level, PC became #1 in the North then announced they were dropping any SAT, ACT requirement and immediately went to #2 again.
 
HuskyHawk said:
It is astonishing. The old model of "this school is better than that school" is gone. Out the window. Sure Stanford is better than Memphis at everything, but if you don't think USF, UCF, Cinci and others are better than a mediocre liberal arts schools like Villanova at many things, then you aren't paying attention.

Employers know who puts out good grads in Physics, Math, Chemistry, Accounting, every engineering field etc. And in many cases it is not the "name" schools that you think it is.
Wichita State is no academic powerhouse, but if you want to be an Aerospace engineer it's better than most. And the people at Boeing know it. University of Alabama Birmingham, can't be any good right? Except the Med school is excellent.

New Englanders over-emphasize liberal arts (which is being de-emphasized by employers and students) and perceived "prestige". There is good reason, we are loaded with very good small liberal arts schools, and have very few strong graduate research and science focused schools (with a few obvious exceptions like MIT).
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I don't know about very many and very few. I would consider Villanova a pre-professional school, and not really a liberal arts school. And that's based on size of department and major.

But nationally, 85% of schools are state schools, with liberal arts privates accounting for less than 7%. There are a good many private schools that are not liberal arts at all (in my area, there are dozens of them, schools one never hears about). But for the true liberal arts schools, there are probably only 100-150 of them.
 
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Wordbomar said:
Gotcha, that makes sense. Still Dooley, at the end of the day, you said it yourself that next realignment won’t include us because of football. We can still save our legendary basketball reputation and successful olympic sports reputations by going to the Big East. By staying in the AAC we are on a long road to nowhere. Imagine the AAC when Cincy, UCF, and Memphis are no longer in it?
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The best way to preserve our legendary basketball reputation is by doing everything we can to get it into a P5 conference. To me, there is no difference in the long term trajectory of the Big East or AAC. If anything, I would say the AAC will be better in 10 years as long as nobody leaves. The GOR would ensure nobody leaves.

It seems counter-intuitive, but the best way to ensure our hoops remains nationally relevant is by significantly increasing our investment in football. We are never going to be a national contender in football and we don't have to be. We just need to be a small bowl game caliber football program like we were in the old Big East years. Once we get there, we are the most attractive P5 expansion candidate BY FAR because we could then offer P5 conferences what they truly covet - year round competitive sports in the biggest market corridor in the country. In other words, money.
 
Guapo said:
LOL
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Department rankings + research show it is. It falls in the rankings because of its mission, which is to serve the public.

Cincinnati has 46,000 students. It's a public school. But it gives more support to faculty than Villanova does and so it attracts better faculty, who produce more, which leads to higher rankings in the metrics that look at such things.

USNews just can't account for the fact that 46,000 students will create a difference in the admission standards. It does this repeatedly. There are AAU schools ranked in the 100-200 level for heaven's sake. Meanwhile, the AAU takes a fine-toothed comb and looks at research/publication/citation of every faculty member of every department of every college of every prospective university. Their analysis is thorough--not an accident.
 
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Towney007 said:
Posting without comment on it, but just so everyone has it - these are your academic rankings for all the schools. Big East is a little different as you're looking at Providence, Butler, Providence and Xavier being more 'regional' universities - but who are also basically among the best in that category, particularly PC, Butler and Creighton.


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YOU seem to have a real problem understanding a BASIC component to Higher Education: Research University.

If you get a Masters at Villanova ... ok that is an extension of a good Undergrad. Nice to have on the resume. But at a Cincinnati, USF, UCONN ... you have a major regional research (READ Medical plus other things) and that is what some of the P5 conferences really desire.

I know I know ... they have been good in hoop winning NCs. I know I know ... the Prep school kids and youngsters from West Hartford & Rye (NY) are eager to go to Villanova or Georgetown. Simply does not address the issue that is vitally important. So Rant on ... dear T.
 
Disney is about to own/purchase 20th century fox soon too. How does that come into play with all this i wonder... uconn and gonzaga would be great adds for basketball to the BE. If this football thing doesn't work out... like it seems
 
xclamations said:
Disney is about to own/purchase 20th century fox soon too. How does that come into play with all this i wonder... uconn and gonzaga would be great adds for basketball to the BE. If this football thing doesn't work out... like it seems
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It does nothing because Fox Broadcast TV, FS1 and FS2 are not part of the deal.
 
xclamations said:
Disney is about to own/purchase 20th century fox soon too. How does that come into play with all this i wonder... uconn and gonzaga would be great adds for basketball to the BE. If this football thing doesn't work out... like it seems
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Fox Sports 1 and 2 are not part of the deal, and Disney has to selloff the regionals. So, should be a non-factor.
 
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where i'm at, is where it be.
fuhball, bball, and all the rest,
it's A-A-C.
forget the hype, put down the pipe,
and cheer the bright future,
for the A-A-C.

(da "A" in AAC stands fur 'Murica---noice.)
 
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Waquoit said:
John Toner, the guy who rarely showed up in the office? The guy who took pride in giving AD money back to the school?
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John Toner who didn't show up in the office while he was fulfilling his duties as president of the NCAA? The guy who made the decision who join the Big East? The guy who hired Geno Auriemma and Jim Calhoun?

Yeah, that would be the guy.
 
FriarJ said:
Yep, Susan is thinking, "We need to stay in the AAC because of all the like minded similar institutions" With this info I don't even know why Aresco is worried.
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Uh, no. No one ever said that. Follow along please. The whole point of the thread is whether they want to downgrade (BE) or else hold out for joining similar institutions. If they downgrade, they never join similar institutions.
 
CL82 said:
John Toner who didn't show up in the office while he was fulfilling his duties as president of the NCAA? The guy who made the decision who join the Big East? The guy who hired Geno Auriemma and Jim Calhoun?

Yeah, that would be the guy.
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Have you ever heard of Dee Rowe?
 
The idea of hiring managers in the real world looking through some US News & Reports undergraduate education rankings and making decisions off that is pretty damn funny.

Guess what? Unless you're at Harvard or Southwest Bumble-f State, you probably fall into the same category.

UConn, Syracuse, PC, Rutgers, BC, Pitt, etc. etc. etc. good schools. Now show an employer what you can do and not debate for hours over some flawed ranking system in a magazine.
 
gampelcrazies said:
Have you ever heard of Dee Rowe?
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Yep, outstanding guy, but he was never the AD at UConn. Being on the search committees isn't the same thing as being the guy who makes the decision.
 
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yukonfan4 said:
@Towney007 @Pudge @upstater : for the love of god please stop arguing about how dumb students in the big east and aac are. no one cares.
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Hence. You totally lost the debate component. Full University research and the multiplier effect on things beyond a basketball hoop seems to throw you.

It ain’t about smarts. And since Friar J is here ... nah never mind.
 
Sign the deal, take the money unless there's a realignment option on the table. I have more faith in the AAC gaining credibility in football & basketball than our chances of joining the Big 12 or ACC.

Don't join the BE, it will regress over time to the other basketball-only conferences. Small private schools will have a hard time sustaining competitive teams over time compared with schools with larger enrollment & budgets.
 
CL82 said:
Yep, outstanding guy, but he was never the AD at UConn. Being on the search committees isn't the same thing as being the guy who makes the decision.
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No Dee Rowe = No Calhoun and No Geno.
 
Dooley said:
The best way to preserve our legendary basketball reputation is by doing everything we can to get it into a P5 conference. To me, there is no difference in the long term trajectory of the Big East or AAC. If anything, I would say the AAC will be better in 10 years as long as nobody leaves. The GOR would ensure nobody leaves.

It seems counter-intuitive, but the best way to ensure our hoops remains nationally relevant is by significantly increasing our investment in football. We are never going to be a national contender in football and we don't have to be. We just need to be a small bowl game caliber football program like we were in the old Big East years. Once we get there, we are the most attractive P5 expansion candidate BY FAR because we could then offer P5 conferences what they truly covet - year round competitive sports in the biggest market corridor in the country. In other words, money.
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I really hate conference expansion talk, except that it brings @Dooley back to make these high quality posts since this is his area of expertise.
 
CL82 said:
John Toner who didn't show up in the office while he was fulfilling his duties as president of the NCAA? The guy who made the decision who join the Big East? The guy who hired Geno Auriemma and Jim Calhoun?

Yeah, that would be the guy.
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And Dom Perno
 
Dooley said:
The best way to preserve our legendary basketball reputation is by doing everything we can to get it into a P5 conference. To me, there is no difference in the long term trajectory of the Big East or AAC. If anything, I would say the AAC will be better in 10 years as long as nobody leaves. The GOR would ensure nobody leaves.

It seems counter-intuitive, but the best way to ensure our hoops remains nationally relevant is by significantly increasing our investment in football. We are never going to be a national contender in football and we don't have to be. We just need to be a small bowl game caliber football program like we were in the old Big East years. Once we get there, we are the most attractive P5 expansion candidate BY FAR because we could then offer P5 conferences what they truly covet - year round competitive sports in the biggest market corridor in the country. In other words, money.
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Absolutely. There however was one leak that’s sure to get under everyone’s skin: UConn would not be included in AAC group of schools receiving a larger proportion of media dollars due to our lack of current P5 appeal (those most likely to bolt prior to the GOR expiring). Those extra dollars would be tagged for Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Houston, and UCF. That’s a non-negotiable for UConn. That kind of slight is grounds for an exit.
 
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