AAC contract...

[djct1999]

98% chance we were not getting into the P5? Wow. We're one of the richest and winningest G5 athletic departments but we only have a 2% chance. Sandwiched in between NYC and Boston, too.

Louisville suffered much worse than us and they still fought.

And the richest and winningest G5 atheletic department saw the writing on the wall. If they can't get an invite to the big dance, who can? You don't make this decision without knowing expansion won't happen. Ever, Surely, the rest of the G5 will follow.

 

[StunningSteve]

1. With UConn / Hurley coming to the BE I believe EVERYONE else will up their game recruiting wise.

Hurley has already made it clear in many podcasts that his recruiting model is more geared toward development.

This years recruiting class was a solid Top 20 class. I don’t see him swimming further upstream than this.

He still won’t get certain guys (Kofi, Achiuwa, Wahab, etc) because he only appeals to certain guys that want that style of coach.

The idea that the brand now has some magic that will draw Duke classes is very optimistic. Most schools in the big east aren’t getting Top 100s.

He basically landed a class in the AAC that he will try to replicate in future classes.

 

[superjohn]

Hurley has already made it clear in many podcasts that his recruiting model is more geared toward development.

This years recruiting class was a solid Top 20 class. I don’t see him swimming further upstream than this.

He still won’t get certain guys (Kofi, Achiuwa, Wahab, etc) because he only appeals to certain guys that want that style of coach.

The idea that the brand now has some magic that will draw Duke classes is very optimistic. Most schools in the big east aren’t getting Top 100s.

He basically landed a class in the AAC that he will try to replicate in future classes.

There is so much dumb stuff said here.

 

[StunningSteve]

There is so much dumb stuff said here.

I really like UConns class. I hope it’s not dumb.

Time will tell.

 

[3rdbass]

Hurley has already made it clear in many podcasts that his recruiting model is more geared toward development.

This years recruiting class was a solid Top 20 class. I don’t see him swimming further upstream than this.

He still won’t get certain guys (Kofi, Achiuwa, Wahab, etc) because he only appeals to certain guys that want that style of coach.

The idea that the brand now has some magic that will draw Duke classes is very optimistic. Most schools in the big east aren’t getting Top 100s.

He basically landed a class in the AAC that he will try to replicate in future classes.

So you are saying the cache of Big East won't help us over playing in the AAC? Ok you are a very delusional.

 

[StunningSteve]

There is so much dumb stuff said here.

There’s a podcast he just did with the Courant I believe, in which he talks about certain kids not being cut out for his style, and ending other recruitments very early because many kids are too caught up with making the NBA.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The P5 is more likely to get smaller than bigger. If Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12, that league is worse than the American. Betting on a P5 invitation was stupid once Louisville took the last slot in the ACC.

 

[StunningSteve]

So you are saying the cache of Big East won't help us over playing in the AAC? Ok you are a very delusional.

The idea there’s a cache in the first place isnt born out by the conference recruiting as a whole vs other conferences.

Nova pulls great classes. Xavier has 1 Top 100.
Otoh, Memphis has the #1 class. Houston has two Top 100s in 2020.

 

[Waquoit]

There’s a podcast he just did with the Courant I believe, in which he talks about certain kids not being cut out for his style, and ending other recruitments very early because kids are too caught up with the NBA.

So you took that mean his recruiting level has reached a ceiling pre-move? That's a big leap. I bet more doors that would never consider the AAC open up now.

 

[bendm]

The idea there’s a cache in the first place isnt born out by the conference recruiting as a whole vs other conferences.

what.a.hater.

so funny.

PS- hurley disagrees with you.

 

[Rico444]

There’s a podcast he just did with the Courant I believe, in which he talks about certain kids not being cut out for his style, and ending other recruitments very early because many kids are too caught up with making the NBA.

Calhoun had the same high standards for kids he recruited; that doesn't mean he wasn't able to put together some terrific classes.

 

[StunningSteve]

So you took that mean his recruiting level has reached a ceiling pre-move? That's a big leap. I bet more doors that would never consider the AAC open up now.

That may or may not be true.
If Benedict was indeed going through channels these last 6 months, it’s likely that the 2019 class was fully aware they were going to play elsewhere.
So, this class may be an early reading.
Most schools will nudge recruits and tell them these things.
I’ll add that UConns 2019 class is disproportionate with ordinary classes in that league. Ranked much higher.

 

[StunningSteve]

Calhoun had the same high standards for kids he recruited; that doesn't mean he wasn't able to put together some terrific classes.

Jim Calhoun recruited to a much richer conference and he had ESPN.

There are too many people blinded by nostalgia in here.

 

[3rdbass]

The idea there’s a cache in the first place isnt born out by the conference recruiting as a whole vs other conferences.

Nova pulls great classes. Xavier has 1 Top 100.
Otoh, Memphis has the #1 class. Houston has two Top 100s in 2020.

Memphis isn't due to the AAC. It is due to Penny's AAU connections and Houston is the best team in the league. You are still delusional if selling recruits the chance to play local teams like G-Town, Villanova, Seton Hall, Marquette, Butler and Xavier don't have more attraction than Houston, SMU, USF and UCF. Cincy is the only basketball team I will miss. At least they will be playing in mostly sold out stadiums compared to 3K to 4K people in some of those others. Also, UConn at MSG just sounds so good. A lot better than playing in Memphis or Dallas for the tourney. This is definitely going to help our recruiting and to think otherwise is a little delusional. Now it hurts football big time but we are talking about basketball recruiting here.

 

[Rico444]

Jim Calhoun recruited to a much richer conference and he had ESPN.

There are too many people blinded by nostalgia in here.

That wasn't the point I was arguing, though. You said there are certain kids Hurley won't get because they're too focused on the NBA. Calhoun had to deal with the same thing but he still found supremely talented kids that were willing to work hard and play to win. If Hurley has success in the Big East you can be damn sure he'll be able to reel in bigger fish than he did in 2019.

 

[Slasher]

I don't think anyone doubts this is a fine move for basketball. You can argue about who will be better (AAC or Big East) over the next ten years and you could go back and forth. Basketball should schedule home and home with the teams they still want to play like Cincinnati, Memphis. I don't see why either school would turn that down.

The real questions are football and finances. Baseball definitely took a hit too, but the Big East is "ok" at baseball. I don't see how the finances are going to work out. Though the TV money could/should be close to a wash, what about bowl/playoff payouts? What about football revenue when you have fewer home games (which seems inevitable.) Will the offsetting attendance spike in basketball be enough to make up for one or two fewer home football games? I just don't see it.

 

[3rdbass]

I don't think anyone doubts this is a fine move for basketball. You can argue about who will be better (AAC or Big East) over the next ten years and you could go back and forth. Basketball should schedule home and home with the teams they still want to play like Cincinnati, Memphis. I don't see why either school would turn that down.

The real questions are football and finances. Baseball definitely took a hit too, but the Big East is "ok" at baseball. I don't see how the finances are going to work out. Though the TV money could/should be close to a wash, what about bowl/playoff payouts? What about football revenue when you have fewer home games (which seems inevitable.) Will the offsetting attendance spike in basketball be enough to make up for one or two fewer home football games? I just don't see it.

Well I'm sure we will get some big pay checks from the big programs to be their whipping boy at their home. So that will help out.

 

[pepband99]

I dont think UConn will pay $10 million out the door. The AAC exposed itself to fiduciary violations when it negotiated away UConn's SNY contract without UConn's approval. That may be enough for UConn to credibly threaten to void the exit fees, whrich would be a strong negotiating position for UConn.

LOL - you mean the *expiring* SNY contract?

 

[tcf15]

I don't know what to say if you think these recruiting pitches won't have different results:

"Hey come to UConn and you'll be seen on ESPNU/ESPN2/ESPN playing at Dickie's Arena in March"

OR

"Hey come to UConn and you'll be seen on FS1/Fox playing at Madison Square Garden in March"

 

[UConnDad]

I don't know what to say if you think these recruiting pitches won't have different results:

"Hey come to UConn and you'll be seen on ESPNU/ESPN2/ESPN playing at Dickie's Arena in March"

OR

"Hey come to UConn and you'll be seen on FS1/Fox playing at Madison Square Garden in March"

Just a question. You don't think kids want to play in the Garden?

 

[Rico444]

Just a question. You don't think kids want to play in the Garden?

TCF is making the point that kids DO want to play in the Garden. He's saying that our recruiting is going to get a lot better moving forward.

 

[UConnDad]

TCF is making the point that kids DO want to play in the Garden. He's saying that our recruiting is going to get a lot better moving forward.

Ok. With the ESPN vs Fox in there I wasn't sure.

 

[browndog319]

These threads on this board are the easiest way of telling who has season tickets and who goes to the games versus those that do not.

Just because not all of us stayed local after college, don’t hold that against us... maybe you need to get out of the state.

 

[auror]

Ok. With the ESPN vs Fox in there I wasn't sure.

Yeah his point is that the network (considering both are a part of basic cable) isn't as big a deal as the stakes.

 

[uconnyankee]

way too much emphasis on playing local teams...
if uconn isn't winning this league, nobody is going to care.
Giving up to become Butler or any other also ran catholic school isn't going to generate national interest. And if Uconn isn't in the national discussion, don't expect the fans to fill the seats. It's that simple.

 

[tcf15]

 

[3rdbass]

And they will!