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AAC 2nd TV Contract/Negotiations

upstater said:
??? The TV station still pays though, right? The money now goes to the AAC. The question is, why is the money paid to the AAC so low?

Of course, here's more than one way to cut a pie. SNY could rout more money UConn's way through the coaches' shows instead of paying the AAC directly. That is one way you can get around the tier 3 rights belonging to the conference.
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Just checked the 2009/2010 TV schedule and 2016/2017 TV schedule:

Hoops
2009/2010 SNY (13 total): Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, Marquette, Depaul, Cincinnati, Rutgers
2016/2017 SNY (5 total): Wagner, Northeastern, Loyola Marymount, BU, North Florida

Football
2009 SNY (3 confirmed): Louisville, Rutgers, Syracuse. I believe Baylor and URI as well.
2016 SNY (2 total): Maine, UVA
 
Back in 2012....UConn was hitting the marks in SNY-(Hartford-New Haven DMA)

"We've always believed that creating a single destination - one that provides consistency as well as the most comprehensive, in-depth coverage for UConn fans would result in increased visibility and popularity," said Steve Raab, President of SNY. "We knew we would deliver UConn a broader national audience, but these substantial ratings gains across all of our UConn properties on a local level are another great development. We are excited about the potential to grow the brand even more as we continue our partnership with the University."

UConn Surges In Popularity On SNY

 
ConnHuskBask said:
Just checked the 2009/2010 TV schedule and 2016/2017 TV schedule:

Hoops
2009/2010 SNY (13 total): Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, Marquette, Depaul, Cincinnati, Rutgers
2016/2017 SNY (5 total): Wagner, Northeastern, Loyola Marymount, BU, North Florida

Football
2009 SNY (3 confirmed): Louisville, Rutgers, Syracuse. I believe Baylor and URI as well.
2016 SNY (2 total): Maine, UVA
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Thanks, good research.
What about the women, though? The BE always had the men's rights, but not the women's. SNY preempted the Syracuse men to show the UConn women. And the ratings were very good (ratings of 8 or 9, if I recall correctly).
 
In its inaugural season on SNY, the undefeated UConn women's basketball program has already experienced growth in popularity as the team's television ratings have increased +14% in the Hartford-New Haven DMA. SNY's Women's basketball coverage is averaging a 5.14 household rating thru the first five games of the season versus the first five regional telecasts that aired last season.
 
upstater said:
Thanks, good research.
What about the women, though? The BE always had the men's rights, but not the women's. SNY preempted the Syracuse men to show the UConn women. And the ratings were very good (ratings of 8 or 9, if I recall correctly).
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Not sure, I'd have to look. I feel like the ratings of UConn women's games would be pretty static regardless of the opponents on SNY. Just not sure of the volume of games.
 
AAC commissioner: Wichita State, chili, media money and the Power 6

Is is possible to briefly summarize where media rights may be headed?

Aresco: It’s a big issue. We’re on the clock, to some extent with TV and with media. It’s not just TV anymore. We’ll look at everything.

There’s no question that the online companies are starting to do more than just dip their toes into live sports and live video. They’ll be a factor. TV, of course, is still going to be extremely important. You’re not replacing TV with online, at least not yet.

We will look at all media. We don’t view this as TV anymore, per se. On the other hand, we’re really happy with our partnership with ESPN. Despite all the talk about cord-cutting and all the things you see, ESPN is still the most powerful sports entity, the most powerful sports network. ESPN also has a very significant streaming operation.

They key for us is going to be getting much more revenue than we currently have. That’s why this is going to be a really seminal moment for us. We are still about roughly a year-and-a-half, or so, away from a negotiating period. We may talk to our partners next spring. That’s typically when you at least have some informal discussions. It wouldn’t be negotiation, per se, but there wouldn’t be many years left on the deal.

We run through 2019-20 and at the beginning of 2019 we have a negotiating period. It’s not that far away. We’ve been talking to people and trying to determine our value. We know it’s extremely heightened compared to five years ago.
 
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Compher: Nothing more important than TV deal - Daily Reflector

East Carolina’s athletics chief will be an integral part of brokering the biggest deal in the young life of the American Athletic Conference, and he sees it as just that.

Named recently to the league’s committee that will oversee the negotiations for a new football television contract, Jeff Compher knows the deal set to be hammered out in 2019 will define the league’s future and its hope to someday be included in the current Power Five framework.

As the American is once again touting its Power Six or P6 campaign this season, ECU’s AD is ready for the challenge of delivering a new deal for the league, which currently has a contract with ESPN/ABC and CBS Sports Network for broadcasting games.

“I can’t tell you how essential this is to our ability to remain at that Power Six level,” Compher said in an interview earlier this week. “There’s nothing more important than that. If you were to ask every AD in our conference they would say the same thing. If you were to ask every administrative officer in the league they would say the same thing. We are of one focus, and that is it.”
 
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Even $8-$10 million per team is nowhere near P5 level. The B1G will make $51.1 million per team this season.
 
Rufus said:
Even $8-$10 million per team is nowhere near P5 level. The B1G will make $51.1 million per team this season.
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So? Would you rather take in 8-10, million or continue at 1.8?

This may be enough to retain coaches and Ads for a while. I'll add I'm highly skeptical of them landing anywhere close to 5 times as they are now getting that is huge jump.

My realistic goal was to get Big East money. If Aresco gets anywhere those numbers and tier 3 rights back he deserves a statue.

In the end streaming will play a huge role in our future going forward. Just today Disney and CBS announced aggressive sports streaming options to be ramped up around 2019. The timing in our expiring contract may be just right. Maybe by then Google and amazon are doing this.
 
dayooper said:
If you can get your tier 3 rights and sell them out, it would mean even more.
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I hope that AD Dave is pushing that. I think it's a tough sell, because most of our conference mates don't get any significant value from it. We are probably the only one. If we can't get those tier 3 rights, we need to push for UConn to get an extra $2-3M. The women alone bring that.
 
noeynox said:
So? Would you rather take in 8-10, million or continue at 1.8?

This may be enough to retain coaches and Ads for a while. I'll add I'm highly skeptical of them landing anywhere close to 5 times as they are now getting that is huge jump.

My realistic goal was to get Big East money. If Aresco gets anywhere those numbers and tier 3 rights back he deserves a statue.

In the end streaming will play a huge role in our future going forward. Just today Disney and CBS announced aggressive sports streaming options to be ramped up around 2019. The timing in our expiring contract may be just right. Maybe by then Google and amazon are doing this.
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I think they can get $8. The prior deal was a steal for ESPN. AAC football ended up being extremely profitable for them, and basketball as well. Anything under $10 is still a good deal for ESPN.

Streaming is interesting. I'd love to retain some individual streaming rights if possible. I saw the Disney announcement. Their content won't be on Netflix anymore. HBO also announced it will pull out from availability on Amazon. Meanwhile, CBS All Access streaming is all but dead. It's failing and can't get subscribers, probably because Fox and NBC provide the equivalent content for free to cable customers. These models are still shaking out. Broadcast networks will find there is no appetite to pay twice for the same content, especially when it is free over the air.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think they can get $8. The prior deal was a steal for ESPN. AAC football ended up being extremely profitable for them, and basketball as well. Anything under $10 is still a good deal for ESPN.

Streaming is interesting. I'd love to retain some individual streaming rights if possible. I saw the Disney announcement. Their content won't be on Netflix anymore. HBO also announced it will pull out from availability on Amazon. Meanwhile, CBS All Access streaming is all but dead. It's failing and can't get subscribers, probably because Fox and NBC provide the equivalent content for free to cable customers. These models are still shaking out. Broadcast networks will find there is no appetite to pay twice for the same content, especially when it is free over the air.
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CBS is going with a new OTT service. I linked it somewhere. Good post though
 
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Rufus said:
Even $8-$10 million per team is nowhere near P5 level. The B1G will make $51.1 million per team this season.
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Yep, but this, plus tier 3 rights, plus our Nike deal, plus our IMG deal puts us in a position to keep running a P5 level program until the P5 current media contracts and GoRs expire which is the next window for realignment. I suspect that that is the game plan, at least in the near term.
 
noeynox said:
CBS is going with a new OTT service. I linked it somewhere. Good post though
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Right, because CBS All Access, which was an OTT service they launched in 2014, has been a total failure. The new sports one is going to fail too. Main reason: Fox provides the same thing at no charge .

OTA streaming devices are about to take off, making what CBS is offering pretty much irrelevant for most people.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Right, because CBS All Access, which was an OTT service they launched in 2014, has been a total failure. The new sports one is going to fail too. Main reason: Fox provides the same thing at no charge .

OTA streaming devices are about to take off, making what CBS is offering pretty much irrelevant for most people.
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I disagree. I watched Les Moonves talk about CBS, CBS Sportsnetwork, and this new service. There is upside there, its another way for them to showcase content. This is good for non P5 leagues if a network is going to look to acquire content.
 
Diving in to the different streaming content. Whomever figures this out best, will be the winner.

Me, as a consumer, am willing to pay for content. Once I pay for it, I want it available on the device of my choice without having to pay again. I want it available as an app on a smart TV, a mobile app or a laptop/desktop service. Make me log on, I'm fine with it. A provider can mask the cost of having multiple means of distributing content; i don't need a breakdown. heck, I'd even be willing to pay for tiered access if they make it a clean pricing model. Don't nickel/dime me for money or additional access.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Diving in to the different streaming content. Whomever figures this out best, will be the winner.

Me, as a consumer, am willing to pay for content. Once I pay for it, I want it available on the device of my choice without having to pay again. I want it available as an app on a smart TV, a mobile app or a laptop/desktop service. Make me log on, I'm fine with it. A provider can mask the cost of having multiple means of distributing content; i don't need a breakdown. heck, I'd even be willing to pay for tiered access if they make it a clean pricing model. Don't nickel/dime me for money or additional access.
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Exactly.

Here's part two to that. You want to separate yourself out and run your content only on your app, as HBO and Disney propose to do. Ok, but you damned well better make it a very good app and invest the time and money to keep it up and you also better make it available on every platform. Many people are streaming via Bluray players or smart TVs, and the apps available are limited. If yours isn't...you are losing revenue by going solo. I got Starz and loved that I can tack in on Amazon Prime. HBO too....for the rest of the year. That's a benefit.
 
Why would ESPN pay 96-120 million per year when they could just give the ACC UConn and 25 million and continue to pay the American schools 2 million each? It would cost half as much.

If UConn isn't enough then send Cincy along too, or put Houston in the B12. They'd still be ahead by 20-25 million. Seems unlikely unless one of the networks truly wants the American to prosper.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I think they can get $8. The prior deal was a steal for ESPN. AAC football ended up being extremely profitable for them, and basketball as well. Anything under $10 is still a good deal for ESPN.
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Where did you see the numbers for the AAC? I would think that it's unlikely that ESPN release any numbers to the public other than the amount paid and that's usually done by the conferences. Is this wishful thinking or did someone leak the numbers?
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think they can get $8. The prior deal was a steal for ESPN. AAC football ended up being extremely profitable for them, and basketball as well. Anything under $10 is still a good deal for ESPN.
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Agreed but you still need someone bidding against them if you hope to maximize the offer.
 
ACC is in 5th place at about $22M per school depending how you count ND. The AAC is 6th at under $6M in payouts by the conference. Anything less than $10-12 will still be a huge problem. Besting the current deal isn't on the list of goals. If they can't get more than they are making now, they should just fold.

The challenge will be to cobble together that amount or more if a single outlet won't pony up that much. If the can top $15M per school then we can start to believe the P6 hype. I don't think they get anywhere near there without being creative to the point of making it harder for fans to follow their teams.

One of the benefits of being under a big network umbrella is consistent familiar timeslots on the same networks. Big Monday at 7pm was always a BE game and more often than not a UConn game. The B1g and SEC enjoy this. The AAC needs to prioritize dollars. If that means the only people who see your games are hardcore fans streaming it online or some hodgepodge of outlets, so be it. The NHL makes it work somehow without consistently being on a major network.
 
Just curious, does anyone know what the Big East takes in per school. If we get the 8-10m per school per year, could we get a BE school such as Georgetown to switch?
 
SubbaBub said:
ACC is in 5th place at about $22M per school depending how you count ND. The AAC is 6th at under $6M in payouts by the conference. Anything less than $10-12 will still be a huge problem. Besting the current deal isn't on the list of goals. If they can't get more than they are making now, they should just fold.

The challenge will be to cobble together that amount or more if a single outlet won't pony up that much. If the can top $15M per school then we can start to believe the P6 hype. I don't think they get anywhere near there without being creative to the point of making it harder for fans to follow their teams.

One of the benefits of being under a big network umbrella is consistent familiar timeslots on the same networks. Big Monday at 7pm was always a BE game and more often than not a UConn game. The B1g and SEC enjoy this. The AAC needs to prioritize dollars. If that means the only people who see your games are hardcore fans streaming it online or some hodgepodge of outlets, so be it. The NHL makes it work somehow without consistently being on a major network.
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That's about the number I had in mind.

$15m-$20m including all TV rights, Nike money, football bowl payouts and NCAA bball tourney credits.
 
The ACC, last year (2016), was in it's once every three year cyclical low (the Orange Bowl was a playoff bowl thus no revenue)...The Big 12 will be in it's three year low this year and won't be getting their $40 million for the Sugar Bowl.

Every three years, there is a $67 million swing in favor of the Big 12...

in 2015...

The 14 full-time football-playing schools received an average of $26.2 million -- putting the ACC third among the Power 5 conferences. Notre Dame, a member in all sports but football, received $6.2 million.

* Obviously, the Maryland exit fee is non-recurring. That accounts for approximately $2 million/school. It should also be noted that the ACC received a payment from the Orange Bowl in 2014-15 which it will not receive for 2015-16.



 
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